Author Topic: IP-256SL by MTB2223  (Read 48052 times)

carbonazza

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2015, 03:02:31 AM »
Do you mind to explain, what do you mean by a better chain line?
I see you are several mm more inside now.

MTB2223

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2015, 03:13:12 AM »
Chain line explanation: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html and http://www.southcoastbikes.co.uk/How-To-Use-Derailleur-Gears and http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/chainline-concepts

If you look to the ideal chain line and the line the chain on the biggest cog makes, the angle is now smaller.
If you compare the angle of the ideal chain line with the line of the chain on the smallest cog and the angle between the ideal chain line with the line of the chain on the biggest cog, they're almost the same now. Which is better.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 03:17:35 AM by MTB2223 »

Jerryno

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2015, 04:57:47 AM »
... they're almost the same now. Which is better.

Moving the chainline closer will be only better if you are using only big cogs and not the smaller ones. In that case your chainring is wrong size.

The chainline should be 49mm from center for XX1 and X01 and 52mm for Boost 148 standard. I think the SRAM engineers have good reasons why this is. Probably different sizes of gears have different optimal angles of chain on them.

MTB2223

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2015, 05:06:39 AM »
Moving the chainline closer will be only better if you are using only big cogs and not the smaller ones. In that case your chainring is wrong size.
I use them all.  ;D
But when I use the biggest cog, my feeling is that I put more power on the pedals (because it's a steep climb), then when I use the smallest cog (which is just for the speed). I'm using the biggest cog 10% of the time (or less).
That's why I think it's for me better to have the chainline closer to the biggest cog than before.

So, when telling you this, you still think my chainring is the wrong size ? I need a smaller chainring ? I'm happy with the 34T chainring and I think it's for here the best choice.

Jerryno

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2015, 06:04:37 AM »
Myself I also need fast gear just to have it, to use downhill or on straights. Even if you are using it 10% of time I think you would miss the gear in those 10% times like I would so keep the chainring imho.

The shifted chainline will put less stress on the big cogs but more stress on the smaller ones, so it really depends on how you use your gears and how much power you put on them. If you feel like you are using gears normally I wouldn't change the sram's specs..

RS VR6

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2015, 02:46:00 PM »
I think the reason why SRAM set the chainline at 49mm is because so that you can run larger chainrings. I know on some frames, a 34T is the largest you can run up front. You can tell the chainline may not be "optimal" is because when you back pedal in the 42T...the chain will drop off onto the 36T. I have a XX1 crank and when I'm in the 36 and 42...I can hear that my drivetrain makes more noise. That is a big reason why 1x chainrings wear so fast. If you look at the majority of worn 1x chainrings, its the outer teeth that gets worn out first. People are getting as little as 400km's out of their XX1 rings before they start making the dreaded grinding sound.

Garabruk makes direct mount rings that set your chainline at a 47.5mm chainline. I may try one of those. OneUp's chainrings come with 2mm chainring spacers to help you dial in your chainline.

Compromise is part of the 1x game. You either lose the top or bottom end of your drivetrain. I run a 30T with a 11-42 cassette...and I rarely run out of top end. It all depends on where you ride. I find that gearing is just as personal as any other part of the bike. What works for you does not mean that it will work for someone else. I would rather sacrifice the high end when I could just coast than push up a hill because I wanted that high gear for that 10% chance where I might use it.

I don't ride my mountain bike on the road. I have a road bike for that.  ;)
« Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 02:47:50 PM by RS VR6 »

Jerryno

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2015, 02:14:59 AM »
Good arguments RS VR6 and very good info about the wear.

Sad thing is that often very good information and talk (about 1x11 chainline, about rims, about you name it) gets lost in various threads and is hard to search for and reach.

JohnnyNT

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2015, 03:19:08 AM »
Hey MTB2233, do you think that 36T would fit in in your setup ? I'm thinking about 34T oval and in the largest place it's like 36T.

MTB2223

Re: IP-256SL by MTB2223
« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2015, 03:26:03 AM »
Hey MTB2233, do you think that 36T would fit in in your setup ? I'm thinking about 34T oval and in the largest place it's like 36T.
I think it will fit. It's close to the frame, but I think it's not a problem.