Author Topic: 29+ hard tail boost frame?  (Read 2057 times)

ro7939

29+ hard tail boost frame?
« on: April 28, 2020, 09:52:58 PM »
Who makes one?  For a Clydesdale, meaning medium to heavy build, no light/superlight.  XL size. 




sdplinker

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2020, 12:51:33 AM »
In the same boat.  Following.

ro7939

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2020, 01:07:53 AM »
I have Peter's Carbon Speed wheel set, 29 x 31mm, with my all time favorite tires, Bontrager 2.6 (looks identical to Trek Stache's 29 x 3.0 except .4 smaller). 

Carbon_Dude

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2020, 06:48:50 PM »
I have a Trek Stache 29+, love the bike.  My bike is a Large, I'm 6'-0" about 220lbs so a bit of a Clydesdale myself. There are some Chiner knock off frames out there that are a copy of the Stache, maybe look at one of those.
2019 Stumpjumper Expert 29/27.5+
2017 Santa Cruz Stigmata
2017 Trek Stache 9.8 (29+)
2016 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Carbon Comp 6Fattie (27.5+) (Sold)
2016 Trek Stache 9 (29+) w/upgrades (Sold)
2014 -036 Full Suspension Chiner (Sold)
2013 -057 Hardtail Carbon Chiner (Sold)
Atlanta, GA

ro7939

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2020, 06:10:50 PM »
Yingbike @ eBay (AKA "FLYXII" @ AliExpress) rated only 86% @ ebay and he is non-responsive, w/terrible feedback at both sites.  Unfortunately zero communication from Carbon Speed including messages at FB; plus, if Peter has left CS, they still list him as a contact, and that is gross negligence unless they are closed for the virus.  CS went from 100% reliable with Peter to God knows what now (without Peter).   

I can't find any reliable Chinese vendor for a carbon 29+ Boost HT. 

I looked into the full bike Salsa Woodsmoke half-price clearance, just to get the frame and sell my current bike with the WS parts.  After reading an in-depth review the frame doesn't sound that hot, plus the god-forsaken vendor stubbornly does not use Bike Flights so they charge $200 for shipping + $100 for tax....screw that.

I really should have bought the full bike 2017 Stache 9.8 demo I rode, but the price was just so steep, about $4k IIRC.  That was by huge margin the best bike I ever rode.  All I'd change on it is the wheelset from 3.0 to 2.6. 

Stache frame new is $1700.  Let me know if you see an XL Stache carbon frame for sale. 

 

 

Carbon_Dude

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2020, 11:42:03 AM »
Even though I no longer have either of the full Chinese bikes I've built in the past, I am still a fan of the carbon frames that are available and such a low price.  Hopefully you find a Chiner 29+ frame from a trusted vendor.  Have you looked around on eBay?

These days I'm so happy with my Stache 9.8, that I got a couple years ago, I've really not given much thought to building anything new.  I highly recommend the branded Trek Stache though.  You might want to use SearchTempest to look around the entire US for a used bike someone might be selling.  Similarly, check the Trek Stache Facebook page, I occasionally see various model Staches being advertised there with sellers willing to ship to your location.  Both the 9.8 and 9.7 used a carbon frame.

The only thing I've even upgraded on my Stache 9.8 were the brakes, moving to XT's, just my personal preference.  The Stache is probably the funnest bike I've ever ridden, with my Stumpjumper 29er/27.5 being a close second but with a much different feel since it's a FS bike.
2019 Stumpjumper Expert 29/27.5+
2017 Santa Cruz Stigmata
2017 Trek Stache 9.8 (29+)
2016 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Carbon Comp 6Fattie (27.5+) (Sold)
2016 Trek Stache 9 (29+) w/upgrades (Sold)
2014 -036 Full Suspension Chiner (Sold)
2013 -057 Hardtail Carbon Chiner (Sold)
Atlanta, GA

ro7939

Re: 29+ hard tail boost frame?
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 01:31:09 PM »
Yes, I spent too many hours looking for a Chinese frame.  The only vendors advertising 29+ are Carbon Speed and another guy who sells at eBay and AliExpress.  The latter vendor never directly answered the most critical Qs.  CS never returned multiple contact attempts, a far cry from the days when Peter was there (someone posted he's long gone, hopefully to greener pastures).  CS with Peter was A+, without it is nothing.  Peter WAS Carbon Speed.

Re your Trek Stache 9.8: Circa 2017 I took one for a test ride, and I absolutely regret not buying that XL size 9.8, by yuge margin the best bike I ever rode.  If there's a mountain bike equivalent to a BMW M3, that's it. (Yes, I've driven two M3's, an early 2k 911, and a 160+hp motorcycle).  Absolute comfort, control, and performance.  Price was in the low $4k range; at the time it was about $1k more than I wanted to spend.  I wish I got it anyway.  You seldom regret spending a little too much, and conversely, the aroma of inferior bargain soon fades. 

Last week I bought a NOS/half price closeout Salsa Woodsmoke NX-1 27.5+, carbon frame, infinitely variable wheelbase, offset chain stay ala Stache (AFAIK Trek invented the offset chain stay).  From what I've read our frames are very similar.  WS @ Universal Cycles, add US tax + $200 for shipping, but the bike arrives almost ready to ride: fasten the front wheel, fasten pedals, fasten the seat, air in the tires, coarse fork adjustments, and ride.  Assembly took only a little longer than unpacking. 

For reader's info: WS frame accommodates everything from 27.5 x 3.25 to 29 x 3.00.  I have and now install Bontrager XR2 29 x 2.6 on Carbon Speed 36mm rims/wheel set (purchased from Peter, absolutely perfect tire/rim width combination). 

Just to compare, I first rode my stock WS last night with stock alloy 27.5 x 3.00, and was surprised how much I liked it.  Your 9.8 is full carbon throughout, a universe beyond a stock WS NX-1.  But the NX-1 shifts surprisingly well, and the plush plus tires rollover rocks really well, super high sense of security, including so-called "edge traps" like driveway bumps; plus tires provide a safety margin for edge traps smaller width tires can't match.   

Swapping my 29s onto the WS now; estimate half the weight of the stock WS wheels.

Between these two 11 speed derailleurs, which would you select?
Shimano Deore XT, low/moderate miles
SRAM NX-1, brand spanking new

IIRC 2 guys at the LBS said the Shimano is easier to service, but no idea how much weight this deservers in my choice. 

I already have, and plan to mount on the WS pretty much full carbon build like your lovely 9.8, including crank, bars, etc.

Please comment if you can compare my carbon WS frame to your carbon Stache.  Honestly, if, when I'm done, I still prefer the Stache, I'll just admit defeat and get either a used 9.8 or buy the carbon Stache frame, $1700, ouch!  Again, should have just bought the bike 3 years ago!

Would you consider down-sizing to 29 x 2.6?  Ever ridden 29 x 2.6?  Describe your typical ride.  Again, if there's a perfect single mountain bike from the factory, IMO the all-carbon 9.8 is it.