IP - 036 questions by Gabby

[Gabby]

I would like to build up a new IP-036 with Fox suspension and exclusively Shimano parts. I have a few questions.

My ideal build will include a Factory Fox 32 Float 29 100 Fit CTD Remote fork and a Factory Fox Float CTD Boost Valve Remote shock.
What is the correct steerer tube size to get? 1.5 or 1 1/8?
What is the correct shock size to get?
 

Regarding the drivetrain my ideal build will be a Shimano 2x10 system, either XT or last years XTR.
What type of Shimano front detailer works with the IP-036?
What size Shimano bottom bracket works with the IP-036?

Also what type/size of headset works with the IP-036?

I appreciate the help and I’m sure I will have more questions.

Thanks,

Gabby

[MTNRCKT]

Hey Gabby..

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your questions but I thought I'd suggest that you start a thread.. You'll get more/faster responses that way.

And welcome to the forum!

[Sussed.]

Hi Gabby,

Good choice on the IP-036 !

The IP-036 will come with a tapered headtube so you will need to buy a tapered fork, which will be a  1.1/8 - 1.5" Tapered.
(You can buy forks with straight steerers but will need headset adapters, this can be avoided if you are buying new)

The rear shock size will be eye to eye 165mm (6.5")

The headset will also need to be tapered.  Cane Creek do a mix and match range, top bearing cup Inner diameter is 42mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cane-creek-40-series-is42-top-assembly/rp-prod115645


The lower bearing cup Inner diameter is 52mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cane-creek-40-series-is52-40-bottom-assembly/rp-prod115643

There are many different options available !  Your chindor can also include one with the frame if you ask.  Many on here have used that option (Neco/FSA)

You can specify which Bottom Bracket you want your frame to be.  I went with BB30, the down side to BB30 is that you need specialist tools to fit the bearings.  If you go with BSA the bearing cups screw into the frame so is much easier to fit/replace yourself. 

As for which FD I cant really help.  I went with a 1x11 set up so I did zero research on the FD !  I'm sure others will be along to chip in with advice on that !

Good luck with the build and ask about anything you have doubts on, everyone on here is super helpful !

[MTNRCKT]

lol.. I spoke too soon. About 4 minutes too soon 

[Sussed.]

Hey Gabby..

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your questions but I thought I'd suggest that you start a thread.. You'll get more/faster responses that way.

And welcome to the forum!

Probably a better answer !!!      

[MTB2223]

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[Gabby]

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Thank you

[Gabby]

Hi Gabby,

Good choice on the IP-036 !

The IP-036 will come with a tapered headtube so you will need to buy a tapered fork, which will be a  1.1/8 - 1.5" Tapered.
(You can buy forks with straight steerers but will need headset adapters, this can be avoided if you are buying new)

The rear shock size will be eye to eye 165mm (6.5")

The headset will also need to be tapered.  Cane Creek do a mix and match range, top bearing cup Inner diameter is 42mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cane-creek-40-series-is42-top-assembly/rp-prod115645


The lower bearing cup Inner diameter is 52mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/cane-creek-40-series-is52-40-bottom-assembly/rp-prod115643

There are many different options available !  Your chindor can also include one with the frame if you ask.  Many on here have used that option (Neco/FSA)

You can specify which Bottom Bracket you want your frame to be.  I went with BB30, the down side to BB30 is that you need specialist tools to fit the bearings.  If you go with BSA the bearing cups screw into the frame so is much easier to fit/replace yourself. 

As for which FD I cant really help.  I went with a 1x11 set up so I did zero research on the FD !  I'm sure others will be along to chip in with advice on that !

Good luck with the build and ask about anything you have doubts on, everyone on here is super helpful !

Thanks for the information and I now understand about the fork and shocks and headset.

I'm still having trouble grasping the bottom bracket option. Does Shimano make both kinds?

Also if someone could recommend a specific Shimano front derailer that would be great.

[davidriddel]

For Shimano HollowTechII, it's probably easiest to go an English thread BSA housing for your bottom bracket. As was said earlier, no specialist tools are required per se. I had never changed a BSA BB before, but after looking at YouTube, I had completed the job in under 5mins.

[Sussed.]

"I'm still having trouble grasping the bottom bracket option. Does Shimano make both kinds? "

I'm pretty sure Shimano stick to the BSA threaded option.  Adapters are available to convert BB30 for Shimano cranks, probably best avoided if you are buying new. 

If you are going with a Shimano crankset I would order the frame with BSA BB. 

With the IP-036 the cable routing for the FD is underneath the downtube, passing under the BB shell and into the rear swingarm.  This means the FD needs to be a bottom pull direct mount (The frame has a mounting point to bolt on the FD instead of using clamp).

[JohnnyNT]

Just to make matters a little more confusing, there are also adapters the other way around. I'm a big fan of BSA as threaded connectionis more reliable, less risk of screeching (bb30) or plastic parts getting wrecked (PF systems), yet I'd love to have stiffer 30mm cranks. Thankfully companies like Rotor made it possible: http://www.power2max.de/europe/en/Produkt/accessories/rotor-bsa30-bottom-bracket-for-bsa/

[Gabby]

"I'm still having trouble grasping the bottom bracket option. Does Shimano make both kinds? "

I'm pretty sure Shimano stick to the BSA threaded option.  Adapters are available to convert BB30 for Shimano cranks, probably best avoided if you are buying new. 

If you are going with a Shimano crankset I would order the frame with BSA BB. 

With the IP-036 the cable routing for the FD is underneath the downtube, passing under the BB shell and into the rear swingarm.  This means the FD needs to be a bottom pull direct mount (The frame has a mounting point to bolt on the FD instead of using clamp).

Thanks I will stick with the BSA BB

So would these be the correct FD?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xtr-m985-e2-type-2x10-front-mech/rp-prod83058
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xt-m786-direct-mount-2x10-front-mech/rp-prod69486

[Gabby]

For Shimano HollowTechII, it's probably easiest to go an English thread BSA housing for your bottom bracket. As was said earlier, no specialist tools are required per se. I had never changed a BSA BB before, but after looking at YouTube, I had completed the job in under 5mins.

English thread BSA looks like the best option and thanks

[Sussed.]

"I'm still having trouble grasping the bottom bracket option. Does Shimano make both kinds? "

I'm pretty sure Shimano stick to the BSA threaded option.  Adapters are available to convert BB30 for Shimano cranks, probably best avoided if you are buying new. 

If you are going with a Shimano crankset I would order the frame with BSA BB. 

With the IP-036 the cable routing for the FD is underneath the downtube, passing under the BB shell and into the rear swingarm.  This means the FD needs to be a bottom pull direct mount (The frame has a mounting point to bolt on the FD instead of using clamp).

Thanks I will stick with the BSA BB

So would these be the correct FD?
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xtr-m985-e2-type-2x10-front-mech/rp-prod83058
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/shimano-xt-m786-direct-mount-2x10-front-mech/rp-prod69486

Looks like FD's are a minefield as well !!  I have seen similar problems on an IP-256 thread too....

Looking at the way the bolt holes are positioned I think you would need the E2 type.  I had a look around here and over on MTBR for those that had run Shimano 2x10 setups (Not that many surprisingly !!) Most hadn't stated which specific type of FD they had used, just whether it was XT or XTR.  One had definitely used the XT-M785 which is the E2-type.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shimano-xt-m785-e2-type-2x10-front-mech/rp-prod69485

Putting in the search parameters on CRC you get the XT-M785,  the XTR-M985 you linked above and the Deore M615. 

[Gabby]

I forgot to ask about frame size. I'm exactly 6 feet tall so would a 19 be the correct frame size for me?