Author Topic: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build  (Read 49063 times)

Sitar_Ned

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2014, 12:50:59 PM »
Hey Cade.. I'm definitely interested in seeing your 156 build.

Do you currently ride 29er? My next build is definitely a full suspension, and 29er is most likely but I'm open to the smaller wheels.

Mind if I ask what swayed you to the 27.5 over the 29er full suss?

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2014, 12:55:26 PM »
That's awesome, you will be the first member of Chinertown with an IP-156, look forward to seeing your build progress. 

Did you ask for any custom paint work on your frame?
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2014, 01:03:24 PM »
Yeh...I kinda copied you but don't worry, I got a different color!! So I can't draw like you can but I did my best...but I don't want to spam up your thread so I'll go ahead and start a build thread in the 650b forum!!

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2014, 08:16:27 PM »
UPDATE:

Changed out the carbon flat bar for a carbon riser bar, when I ordered the frame, I ordered both styles of carbon bars from XMIplay.  Width is still 680mm.  I was a little concerned that I had cut the cable and brake lines to perfectly reach up to the flat bar and they would be a bit short for the riser bar, not so, lengths are fine.

I'm trying the riser bar to see if it fits me better and is more comfortable.  I won't know until the next ride, maybe Wednesday.  I can say one thing, flat bars do look a bit better, more race oriented.

Here are a few pics from in the garage, already dark outside so indoor shots only.  Please ignore the bike computer, it's functional but kinda sticks out there.  Would be nice if I could mount it on the stem, but the mount is designed for the bar.



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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2014, 08:22:51 PM »
Yeah.. that's a bit too much rise for taste as far as aesthetics is concerned. Of course all that really matters is how it rides.

Love the blue grips tho!

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2014, 08:43:35 PM »
I agree they have a rather large rise, but my stem has a 0deg angle so no additional height there.  I suppose if I had an angled stem I could flip it over for some negative rise and bring the bars down a bit.

I also thought about keeping the flat bars and changing out the stem for one with some positive angle as another option.  I'm not a supper aggressive rider and the riser bars on my IP-057 make my seated position really comfortable so who knows.

I get some fatigue in my lower back if I'm to bent over the bars so the riser bars should help there, I also noticed that I could use a bit more weight over the back tires when I stand up and peddle so a riser bar could help a little there too.
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2014, 09:59:20 PM »
I love riser bars, much more comfortable to me and I feel like I steer a little better with the riser bars; probably has to do with improved fit.

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2014, 09:57:56 PM »
Update:  Did a 10 mile loop after work today and I am really liking the riser bars.  Just makes the seated position work better for me.  My weight feels more evenly distributed front to back.  I adjusted the seat height and angle a bit and I think I've got the bike fitting me very well now.  Standing and pedaling is good too.  I think I will be keeping the riser bars on the IP-036 for a while, flat bars are going on the shelf.
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2014, 10:10:00 PM »
That's actually pretty logical - That a riser bar works well on a full squish where you tend to stay seated for more of the ride.

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2014, 05:52:25 PM »
I'm glad I checked my crank arm to chain stay clearances today because I found a mistake that I made installing my XX1 cranks.

When I built my IP-056 hard tail, I didn't need any spacers but with the IP-036, I now know I should have added a 2.5mm spacer to each side. I'm using a GXP bottom bracket on both bikes and it turns out the IP-036 has a 68mm wide BB where the IP-056 has a 73mm bottom bracket, hence the spacers are needed.

Once I installed the spacers, both sides measure 13mm-14mm clearance.  Had I not noticed this mistake I'm sure I would have screwed up my bottom bracket and possibly the crank spindle as the crank was not properly seated into the BB.

Also, my chain line improved by 3mm since the crank on the drive side moved inward and it might be my imagination but I think the XX1 R/D is even shifting better.

Hopefully others that build a IP-036 read this and don't make the same error I made.
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2014, 06:37:43 AM »
Also ordered the Scott twin-lock lever for my remote suspension lockout.  Should be much better than the Fox remote that came with the Fox fork.  I hope the Scott lever works, the LBS mechanic said Scott made two versions, one with a 1:1 pull for the fork and shock and then later one with a 1:0.75 pull for the Fox Nude shock that Scott uses on their Spark & Genius in 2013/2014.  Hope I get the right one.  Cost of the lever was $55 but if it works with my setup, it will be worth it.

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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2014, 06:36:51 AM »
What exactly is the difference between the Scott lever and the Fox?

The light blue accents on your bike are killer. I assume that started with the egg beater pedals?
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2014, 06:50:23 AM »
The lever I have is what came with the Fox CTD fork and I added a splitter box that Fox makes so I could control the front fork and rear shock at the same time.  The problem is the lever was really only designed to operate the fork lockout so even though it's nice and small but because I am using it to operate both front and rear the lever requires twice the force to engage the lockout.

Second, the CTD shock and fork have a middle setting that you can access when pushing the lever in, but when you hit the release button you don't get the option to select the middle setting, instead it goes to fully unlocked.

Fox does make a lever that is designed to operate both the fork and shock, however, it's really BIG and most people complain that's it's too large.  So much so, I'm not even sure Fox still makes it as it's not on their webiste.  The Fox lever is still available to purchase online though.

Here is the Fox lever that is not so popular (too big):

That leaves the Scott Twin-Loc lever, smaller, easier to operate, and works as expected.

Here is the Fox lever I have (too small):


Here is the Scott Twin-Loc Lever (just right):
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2014, 06:59:35 AM »
okay, thx for the explanation.

The Scott lever definitely looks better than either Fox option - right in the middle of the two it seems. And is that bolt on the Scott lever perfectly light blue or am I just seeing things? Possibly a dumb question but what does "C" and "D" stand for on the Fox lever? Comfort and Descend? Wild guess. One of the great things about 1x is it completely frees your left hand and bar space for all these new levers for adjustable posts and suspension control.

So basically... You're flying down hill with suspension wide open, you get to the bottom.. and boom, hit one lever and you're suddenly on a fully rigid bike? That's pretty sweet.

Can't wait to see the innovations over the next ten years. I remember seeing an article in Popular Mechanics about 2 years ago that contained an article about a company that was working on a rear derailleur that you controlled with your brain. Totally serious. Let me see if I can find the article. Hopefully that was just some vivid dream I had.
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Re: IP-036 29er Full Suspension Carbon Frame Build
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2014, 07:59:53 AM »

The light blue accents on your bike are killer. I assume that started with the egg beater pedals?

Agreed. The black carbon, white, and small amount of blue accents is one of the nicer looking color schemes I've seen on any bike, Carbon_Dude. Congrats on an awesome bike build.

The dual suspension lock out with the flip of one lever is something that I could see getting used to and not wanting to ever go without it again.