XXXS, XXS or sub 45 frame with udh

[Willos]

I am looking for a frame with similar geometry as the 3xs canyon endurace or the size 43 dogma for a very short rider.

I have been looking in this forum but couldn't find anything, only the SP88 come close but still has a bit too big of a reach.

Does such a frame exists ? Ideally with udh.

Thanks in advance!

[Blueberry]

It might have been discontinued but maybe the Salsa Warroad? I didn't think it has UDH though. Salsa tends to have bikes with more relaxed geo that fit smaller people could be worth checking out their other frames too. I think the smallest Warroad has a stand over height if 665mm. People recommend the Journeyer for shorter riders a lot but it's aluminum, and more off-road focused. Not really a road bike but I've seen people build them up for their kids as road bikes anyways.

[Willos]

Smallest frame I ended up finding and having almost the exact same geometry as the dogma in size 43 is the XMCS CS-R06. But no udh though

[Lotnik]

Smallest frame I ended up finding and having almost the exact same geometry as the dogma in size 43 is the XMCS CS-R06. But no udh though

I'm looking for similar frame for my son. I've asked about it Peter, but he said they don't manufacture it any more.

[alfiomotrambo]

I found this brand that seems to have models in your size: https://it.aliexpress.com/item/1005010727171112.html

[Willos]

Intersting, no udh though but they seem to have another frame with udh: https://bxtbikes.com/products/bxt-carbon-road-bike-frame-xxxs-xl-size-disc-brake-full-hidden-cable-udh-hanger-road-bicycle-frameset-t1000-with-%E5%89%AF%E6%9C%AC?_pos=33&_sid=2c311f437&_ss=r

[crazyravr]

I was looking for something similiar and its not easy to find something with 700cc wheels as the toe overlap will be a problem. At the very short or very tall height, you should start looking at custom for best geometry designs.

[Willos]

I was looking for something similiar and its not easy to find something with 700cc wheels as the toe overlap will be a problem. At the very short or very tall height, you should start looking at custom for best geometry designs.

Yes I agree, toe overlap can be a problem. The endurace 3xs uses 650b wheel which is a nice compromise

[obuwiecieplezimowe]

I disagree As a very short person riding very very small bikes set up aggressive as possible (as they are always too tall, never too low) toe overlap is only a theoretical problem. You can find it doing stupid things in parking. Never happen in real life, even almost standing still in the steepest mountains. Real problems are "too tall front end", "stupidly placed bottle cage screws", "horrific internal routing in smallest size", "stupid steerer tube diameter to not fit a stem and handlebars combo I want (Canyon)" etc. Not toe overlap.

I would not recommend any frame as all my road bikes were still rim brake. However look at geo, not advertisments. This Canyon in 3XS has really nothing that really differs it from an "aggressive" bike except it has maybe 20mm higher stack. And that's with assumption you are going to use zero stem spacers in any bike. Reach is really irrelevant when seated, effective top tube is. Head tube angle means nothing if you don't know fork rake also. And there is also nothing wrong with a short stem (like 70 or even 60mm) and a road bike so after all they are really not that different.

For example JH-33 (TFSA) looks nice for cheap frames. I use JH-02 now and it's fantastic and tiny, except my is a rim brake one.

[Willos]

as they are always too tall, never too low

For example JH-33 (TFSA) looks nice for cheap frames. I use JH-02 now and it's fantastic and tiny, except my is a rim brake one.

I think the canyon and the dogma are both lower than the frame you recommend right? This will help get a more relaxed geometry.

[2wheeledbarbie]

not chinese or UDH (so not really that much help) but I got my daughter a hupp straatrace frame and built it up with GRX 800.