Author Topic: Any chinese frames using high modulus carbon like the real Specialized frames?  (Read 14014 times)

Kirkspants

Sign me up as interested as well if you hear anything... Trying to wrap my head around that forum link. ALMOST want to try to message "Playing the dishes of miscellaneous riding" and see if they can help a girl out, as it were.

StiffWeenies

Sign me up as interested as well if you hear anything... Trying to wrap my head around that forum link. ALMOST want to try to message "Playing the dishes of miscellaneous riding" and see if they can help a girl out, as it were.

That’s the OP’s username

You can’t sign up to Tieba without a Chinese phone number

Kirkspants

Yeah thought it was a funny translation of a normal username  :). Bummer to hear about the signup catch tho!

RDY

The upcoming Elilee Blize will have an ultralight 680g variant constructed from a mixture of Toray T1100 and M40X. You also have the Dizo Epic Pro which is constructed from Mitsubishi MR70 and Dyneema. These two won't be cheap and they certainly won't they sit at that 2-3K US sweetspot. According to Elilee, T1100 costs 5x of T800 and M40X costs 10x of T800...you do the math. For reference Elilee's top level EVO XXE triathlon frame retailed at around 4.5K US in China. Finally you have the not-as-high-end Pardus Robin Evo that employs a mixture of T1100, T800 and M40 for its carbon layup.

Do note that carbon supply is massively constrained worldwide which means that there is next to no excess material left for no name brands. Since imported material is hard to come by and there are actually export restrictions placed on top level T1100 due to military applications, most open mould makers source their material from Sinofibers who produce T1000 and T800 domestically in China. Sinofibers has small batch T1100 & M40X equivalent material (ZT9 & ZM40X) on top of their recently commercialised T1000 but currently only T800 (ZT8) is mass produced and readily available. Besides Sinofibers, Tianshun produce T800 equivalent material (TS800) and are also working on their own T1000.

Dizo Epic Pro became Dizo Actus.   Design changed quite a bit.  Bit less aero, 32mm clearance, Dyneema gone, head tube and chainstays totally different, no details of carbon used.  They're talking about 'NORC' technology - without specifying what exactly it is.

Definitely not one for people who are long of leg and short of upper body, like me.  XL is 560 stack and 408 reach, which is similar to the Pardus Spark Evo.

https://dizobike.com/bikes/actus/

patliean1

Dizo Epic Pro became Dizo Actus.   Design changed quite a bit.  Bit less aero, 32mm clearance, Dyneema gone, head tube and chainstays totally different, no details of carbon used.  They're talking about 'NORC' technology - without specifying what exactly it is.

Definitely not one for people who are long of leg and short of upper body, like me.  XL is 560 stack and 408 reach, which is similar to the Pardus Spark Evo.

https://dizobike.com/bikes/actus/

Sheesh, where was this frame 5 bike builds ago???

Dizo Actus
Size: Medium
Reach: 395
Stack: 540

Where...do...I...sign...up??

RDY

Pricing not released yet, but based on the Grover being €1500-1700, I'd guess this will be €2-2.3k, as they're claiming various tech.

But maybe they'll want to keep it sub 2k.

patliean1

I'm sure that's a great value, all things considered. But I think I'd rather a SEKA now that they make a 130mm stem-length integrated cockpit.

RDY

I'm sure that's a great value, all things considered. But I think I'd rather a SEKA now that they make a 130mm stem-length integrated cockpit.

But if you want low stack, you won't get that with the Exceed.

patliean1

But if you want low stack, you won't get that with the Exceed.

100% Correct, and one of the main reasons I've stayed away from them.

I meant in terms of spending $2000 for a frameset...

elmtree

Looking at the geometry chart, did they draw the picture wrong? 'k' looks like stack-bb drop... If that's the case it's pretty upright.

RDY

Looking at the geometry chart, did they draw the picture wrong? 'k' looks like stack-bb drop... If that's the case it's pretty upright.

Geo chart is just drawn wrongly.  There's no way their XXS has 570mm stack.

StiffWeenies

next gen Spark EVO



all-new Super EVO


Both will be built with the same UHMS material and EPS+ process as the Robin EVO. The current gen Spark EVO is HMS EPS+ while the Super EVO is essentially a Robin EVO but with endurance geometry. Pardus will also take the current gen Spark EVO frame mould (shared w/ Storck Aerfast 4 & Aerfast 3) and make a Spark Sport that's downgraded to HS EPS+.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2022, 11:22:14 AM by StiffWeenies »

eucalyptus

That black Super EVO looks like a real competitor to Canyons ultimate CFR if using similar sort of carbon fiber. But not possible to buy for Europeans?

RDY

Damn.  New Spark EVO looks great ... albeit I suspect it'll still be either too low or too long for me. 

I guess pictured is their L (525 Seat Tube on current one).  Head tube looks quite a bit taller than before, but top tube also looks longer.