LTWOO ER9 & ERX - Electronic groepsets

[patliean1]

Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

[erallen30]

Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

Exactly. To top it off both full 105 Di2 and Rival etap AXS full groupsets are better value at this point.

[wandulus]

Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

Almost same situation in EU. SRAM Rival is at same price than LTWOO, and Force a little bit higher. For me, no cost/risk option going for LTWOO, and at it first batch.

[OralMaster]

Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

Thanks for the heads up pat! just got the SRAM Force with a 15% discount.

[Pedaldancer]

Amazon (USA) is selling SRAM Force eTap groupsets on sale for around $800.

Levers, calipers, pre-bled hoses, both derailleurs, a set of rotors, 2 batteries, AND charger. All you need to buy is a crank, chain, and cassette.

This is a no brainer...

I don't like Sram at all. Starts with the D.O.T continues with the individual battery approach and most importantly don't like the shifting logic,... what you account as no brainer is therfore personal... 
But in general you're right , the ltwoo  is currently too expensive  compared to shimano and sram regarding  the unknown reliability.
But give it some time.. maybe they will make a good job. The shifting with new components was very nice..i had the chance to test it on a powertrainer.

[patliean1]

Both Shimano Ultegra mechanical shifting groupsets R8000 (rim brake) and R8020 (hydraulic) are still tremendous values even till this day. 3 of my bikes still run Ultegra R8020, and the gear shifts are just as fast and reliable as electronic groupsets even after several thousands of miles.

Obviously having to route four cables internally is a pain, which is almost worth the electronic upgrade alone. It just seems like until LTWOO/Sensai can offer a mechanical groupset that matches the refinement of Ultegra mechanical...making the quick jump to electronic is a difficult ask for early adopters.

I still want one though, as it would make for good YouTube content 

[BalticSea]

Did you add the VAT and inport tax to the price of Ltwoo?

Rival 1 AXS kit can be found under 700€. 2x set up is more expensive at 800-ish, 105 upgrade kit is a grand. Meanwhile, the only electric ltwoo listing I saw on Ali was over 800.

[BalticSea]

Not sure if it is older version or something, but here's one https://www.bike24.com/p2313768.html?menu=1000,1868,1969. Granted, it doesn't include crankset, cassette and chain, but upgrade kits are pretty barebone.

[Plateofboxes]

I've been following this closely for an upcoming build. In Australia it's not so clear cut: Ali has the ltwoo erx (effectively and upgrade kit) for like 1100aud (shipped with gst). Best local retailer (bikebug) has rival at 2k+ (for upgrade bits and pieces) and 105 as not much better. Looking at our prices - maybe I'm wrong - but I think we're getting ltwoo a little cheaper, but sram/shim much much more expensive.

That all being said, there's a reputable seeming seller on Ali able to ship a 105 di2 full set for 1400ish, which is a fair bargain.

I am waiting to see what prices look like for the er9.

[StiffWeenies]

PSA: Please please please don't buy this groupset if you're price conscious and can't afford to write the purchase off. This is not the product for someone who simply wants something that 'just works' and can't stomach the pain when something goes wrong. The software is barely 1st gen, as is the hardware and everything is subject to change in later revisions/generations. I'm excited in the eRX because the underlying foundation could truly shake up the industry but evidently there is still much to improve.

By the way, zero proper reviews exist on the Chinese side of the internet as everyone there is waiting for someone else to take the risk. Just this week someone posted about aftermarket DM hanger clearance issues. Again, don't be a guinea pig.

[TidyDinosaur]

PSA: Please please please don't buy this groupset if you're price conscious and can't afford to write the purchase off. This is not the product for someone who simply wants something that 'just works' and can't stomach the pain when something goes wrong. The software is barely 1st gen, as is the hardware and everything is subject to change in later revisions/generations. I'm excited in the eRX because the underlying foundation could truly shake up the industry but evidently there is still much to improve.

By the way, zero proper reviews exist on the Chinese side of the internet as everyone there is waiting for someone else to take the risk. Just this week someone posted about aftermarket DM hanger clearance issues. Again, don't be a guinea pig.

Well said. We're no longer talking about a 150 € groupset like the Sensah stuff a few years back. If it did not work, it was a small price to pay and you moved on (I was in that situation). But the price of these new groupsets is just too much to gamble with...

[kbernstein]

One of the first builds I've seen with it

[jonaslini]

Almost same situation in EU. SRAM Rival is at same price than LTWOO, and Force a little bit higher. For me, no cost/risk option going for LTWOO, and at it first batch.

I don't know if it is because I'm searching from Denmark but I can't seem to find either 105 di2 or Rival eTap AXS for nearly as little as you seem to be able to. Can you or someone else perhaps provide a link or just a site name for deals with either of the two here in the EU?
The best deals I've found so far are:
Full 105 di2 for 1150€ on bike-discount.de.
Full Rival eTap AXS (excl. rotors and BB) for 1260€ on bike-components.de

[wandulus]

I don't know if it is because I'm searching from Denmark but I can't seem to find either 105 di2 or Rival eTap AXS for nearly as little as you seem to be able to. Can you or someone else perhaps provide a link or just a site name for deals with either of the two here in the EU?
The best deals I've found so far are:
Full 105 di2 for 1150€ on bike-discount.de.
Full Rival eTap AXS (excl. rotors and BB) for 1260€ on bike-components.de

You have to buy it separately:
Shifters and calipers :
(Right):
https://www.alltricks.es/F-302180-freins-complets-hydrauliques-route/P-1884624-freno_de_disco_trasero_hidraulico_sram_rival_etap_axs__sin_disco?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs6lBhCxARIsAG8YcDhdlh1gZcyl_o4LK8vO_ByIk1BDZv0NLEC8jihSUFadaE-tNkXMSToaArpGEALw_wcB

(Left):
https://www.alltricks.es/F-302180-freins-complets-hydrauliques-route/P-1885058-freno_de_disco_hidraulico_delantero_sram_rival_etap_axs__sin_disco?gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs6lBhCxARIsAG8YcDi56DIXYWTw2O4-wX6Dfwfr0TnnXgFn4YxjFXcuzlI7Zul0xnTdYUgaArqQEALw_wcB

RD:
https://www.alltricks.es/F-32741-derailleurs-arriere/P-1885162-cambio_trasero_sram_rival_etap_axs_12v__sin_bateria

FD:
https://www.alltricks.es/F-32741-derailleurs-arriere/P-1913967-desviador_delantero_de_soldadura_sram_rival_wide_etap_axs_d1__sin_bateria

Batteries:
https://www.alltricks.es/F-46290-pieces-transmission/P-254293-bateria_sram_etap_axs__red_force_rival_xx_x0_gx_reverb

Charger:
https://www.alltricks.es/F-46290-pieces-transmission/P-337106-sram_etap_battery_charger_and_cord?utm_source=effiliation&utm_medium=cpa&utm_campaign=315029215&utm_term=1395062255&eff_cpt=22332675&eff_sub1=globerada_css-64b3c5e280daf&eff_sub2=Cj0KCQjwqs6lBhCxARIsAG8YcDj_Sl2-nAkobxo5HwlJrDonUckSI7uydhEA1I7ig2AF7yvEWoZdrgcaAsKgEALw_wcB


You got the ER9 comparable groupset for EUR 780.
You can add Cassette for 100, Chain for 25 and crankset for 90, rotors for 80 and got the full system for less than you found.

[cramy]

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