Author Topic: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)  (Read 1121375 times)

Ar26

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #690 on: September 23, 2024, 07:15:05 AM »
it's actually a versatile bike. I'm 178cm for 68kg and I bought the 54. I also have the Vanyar from Elves and the head tube is at 121mm so low I wouldn't say it's a hard bike. Pinch the cross tube under your fingers and you will feel the flexibility of the carbon. I ride a 28 in the front and 30 in the rear at 5 Bar. I was in doubt about the seat post 0 or 20 and I bought both because it also depends on your morphology, saddle length (245cm, 275cm)

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #691 on: September 23, 2024, 07:54:39 AM »
In my communication with Lightcarbon i addressed this topic. Their reply was:

"No problem, we can get you the frame with Quality standard Z3 (actually this model are all produced in Quality standard Z3, what Hambini got is just a regular one from our mass production)."

Looks like there was no special treatment for Hambini, which however doesn't mean that issues with QC can't still happen ...

Lightcarbons is being less than truthful...the fact is that QC  costs time and money but clear coat and facing of bottom brackets/ brake mount points shouldn't be optional dependent on price. 

mheusler

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #692 on: September 23, 2024, 08:19:30 AM »
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Lightcarbons is being less than truthful...the fact is that QC  costs time and money but clear coat and facing of bottom brackets/ brake mount points shouldn't be optional dependent on price.

Not sure what you're on about. Where does it say that something regarding QC is "optional dependent on price"? Lightcarbon specifically states that they produce their frames to the Z3 standard.

I get the feeling you're on some personal crusade, that doesn't help anyone in this discussion. I'm all for constructive criticism, but your baseless accusations(as in, you provide no proof for your statements) are less than helpful and quite the distraction.

Da11as

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #693 on: September 23, 2024, 08:34:05 AM »
Not sure what you're on about. Where does it say that something regarding QC is "optional dependent on price"? Lightcarbon specifically states that they produce their frames to the Z3 standard.

I get the feeling you're on some personal crusade, that doesn't help anyone in this discussion. I'm all for constructive criticism, but your baseless accusations(as in, you provide no proof for your statements) are less than helpful and quite the distraction.
I think the point here is that @tiagosantos_ss received the frame with some truly ugly voids on the inside surface. Considering the statement of LC that all of their frames are of LCR017 of Z3 standard you are still at risk of getting unridable frame. Of course, if every 5th frame is quality checked for some defects, there's still a risk of getting shitty frame.

Let's see how it will be resolved for him.

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #694 on: September 23, 2024, 09:18:30 AM »
Not sure what you're on about. Where does it say that something regarding QC is "optional dependent on price"? Lightcarbon specifically states that they produce their frames to the Z3 standard.

I get the feeling you're on some personal crusade, that doesn't help anyone in this discussion. I'm all for constructive criticism, but your baseless accusations(as in, you provide no proof for your statements) are less than helpful and quite the distraction.
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Listen mate....call it a crusade but when a manufacturer cuts costs by cheating customers and lying about obvious defects that could cause serious injury than you can bet I'm "on" it like a dog on his bone

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #695 on: September 23, 2024, 09:24:09 AM »
They replied "we checked with our warranty department and engineers... and the imperfections won't affect the frame function or strength"
They also say if something goes wrong with the frame, they will replace it, meaning if it breaks in that region and I fall, they will ship a new one (even if I am not able to ride any bike after falling or even walk)

You need to dispute the charges with PayPal or your credit card company at this point.   They're playing games with your life now

patliean1

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #696 on: September 23, 2024, 09:59:35 AM »
Random Story Time:

I've been having my business suits custom made from a factory in China. Customer direct. You select your fabrics/buttons/style, measure yourself at home, and have a ready made suit in like 4 weeks. The price is ridiculously cheap for what you get. And the fit is better than anything you'd get off the rack from a department store.

After 6 years of doing this I realize the communication and process is identical to dealing with these OEM frame companies. They just want your money. The answer is always "Yes." Whenever I have an issue with the fit of my suit and I send them a photo to analyze, they always respond with: "we checked with our department of bespoke tailors and pattern cutters."

I never believe them because it's all just auto-cad and machine work. They want me feel assured as if they're being proactive speaking with their experts. But again they just want me to keep buying. The difference here is an ill-fitting suit won't have me risking my collarbone and front teeth.

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #697 on: September 23, 2024, 10:22:41 AM »
Not so random but it does go to the mindset of Chinese manufacturing and their take on QC and customer satisfaction. 

Silock

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #698 on: September 23, 2024, 04:30:45 PM »
I have branded disc brake version of LCR0X. You may go one page back to read my post.
1. The frame and overall quality was very good and I have no issues with the build.
2. Majority of the tubes have aerofoil profile instead of Kamm tail. It is not optimised for regular bottles so you may have to look for something like Cannondale aero bottles.
3. The saddle clamp looks ugly in my opinion but it allows for a huge range of adjustment and has a quite robust design in general. Seatpost clamp bolt located way too deep into the frame. During initial weeks of fitting i rode with long T-shaped hex key, as I couldn't reach the bolt with any of my multitools. Same goes for saddle clamp.
4. It's relatively harsh ride due to the seatpost shape and lack of sloping in top tube, but hey, it's an aero frame, they all are quite harsh. If you have decent roads in your area you will be fine.

I am a little concerned about a harsh ride, because I don't have the best roads. They're decent, but there are quite a few rough patches all over the place.

bremerradkurier

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #699 on: September 23, 2024, 07:00:55 PM »
Not so random but it does go to the mindset of Chinese manufacturing and their take on QC and customer satisfaction.

Interesting older blog entry about Chines manufacturing mindset.

https://novemberbicycles.com/blogs/blog/gypsies-tramps-and-thieves

The consumer appeal of the generic carbon is of course the irresistible pricing. You can get an unbranded road frameset for under $400 on eBay - one that certainly looks the part too. At that price, it's easy to see why every night the men come around, and lay their money down. Now let's wilfully suspend disbelief for a minute and assume that this isn't a photo of a sample from a manufacturer who supplies established brands, and is in fact a bike developed and built in earnest by a small manufacturer in China specializing in carbon fiber. At $360, it could make money on the frame. Not as much as our supplier makes selling dozens of them at a time to us, but there is some margin in that $360 to be sure. How much margin? According to "Poorly Made in China," not enough. Manufacturers in China are always looking for ways to cut costs. One story is about a manufacturer supplying shampoo to an American personal care company. They subcontracted another manufacturer to make the bottles, and over time changed the bottle spec - provided by the American brand - to use less and less plastic in the bottle in order to save on raw materials costs. The American brand was never notified of the change until the bottles became so thin that they collapsed in peoples' grasp (think bottled water, not shampoo). In China, this is seen as resourceful and clever in the way it increases manufacturer profitability. When the brand did notice and demanded that the product be built to spec, the manufacturer made the importer pay the additional costs for the thicker bottles, as if it were not the original spec but a change order.

When I read that section I immediately thought what would happen if a bike manufacturer - spurred by the same economic incentive - did the same thing. Reducing the number of carbon wraps in a frame or fork or rims to save on costs would not only make the product less expensive to manufacture - it would reduce the weight, making it appear more desirable at the same time. Only that's no more strategic a route to weight reduction in a frame than drilling holes in it. I don't know if this happens. Neither do you. But the economic climate in which a practice like this flourishes exists in the very regions where generic carbon fiber bike parts are made.

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #700 on: September 23, 2024, 09:46:22 PM »
Interesting older blog entry about Chines manufacturing mindset.

https://novemberbicycles.com/blogs/blog/gypsies-tramps-and-thieves

The consumer appeal of the generic carbon is of course the irresistible pricing. You can get an unbranded road frameset for under $400 on eBay - one that certainly looks the part too. At that price, it's easy to see why every night the men come around, and lay their money down. Now let's wilfully suspend disbelief for a minute and assume that this isn't a photo of a sample from a manufacturer who supplies established brands, and is in fact a bike developed and built in earnest by a small manufacturer in China specializing in carbon fiber. At $360, it could make money on the frame. Not as much as our supplier makes selling dozens of them at a time to us, but there is some margin in that $360 to be sure. How much margin? According to "Poorly Made in China," not enough. Manufacturers in China are always looking for ways to cut costs. One story is about a manufacturer supplying shampoo to an American personal care company. They subcontracted another manufacturer to make the bottles, and over time changed the bottle spec - provided by the American brand - to use less and less plastic in the bottle in order to save on raw materials costs. The American brand was never notified of the change until the bottles became so thin that they collapsed in peoples' grasp (think bottled water, not shampoo). In China, this is seen as resourceful and clever in the way it increases manufacturer profitability. When the brand did notice and demanded that the product be built to spec, the manufacturer made the importer pay the additional costs for the thicker bottles, as if it were not the original spec but a change order.

When I read that section I immediately thought what would happen if a bike manufacturer - spurred by the same economic incentive - did the same thing. Reducing the number of carbon wraps in a frame or fork or rims to save on costs would not only make the product less expensive to manufacture - it would reduce the weight, making it appear more desirable at the same time. Only that's no more strategic a route to weight reduction in a frame than drilling holes in it. I don't know if this happens. Neither do you. But the economic climate in which a practice like this flourishes exists in the very regions where generic carbon fiber bike parts are made.

Great post and linked article.. thank you
« Last Edit: September 23, 2024, 10:53:52 PM by dinorello »

ODDO

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #701 on: September 25, 2024, 06:56:39 AM »
I had a similar doubt, but the 52 can come with the same voids as mine, so the 54 might come good (50/50) in terms of quality. Size chart-wise, maybe go smaller if the head tube size is ok for you

Thank you for this feedback.
I think I'll take a 52.
For the color, apparently not many people chose the Chameleon 08HS or Chameleon 13HS colors.

rasch

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #702 on: September 25, 2024, 09:20:47 AM »
Thank you for this feedback.
I think I'll take a 52.
For the color, apparently not many people chose the Chameleon 08HS or Chameleon 13HS colors.
Yes, I'd recommend go a bit smaller. Also as regards stem length please note that it's measured from below, hence a 100mm is actually a 110mm.
As regards colours, I recommend you to go wild :) After all what's it worth to build sth custom if it's not unique

dinorello

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #703 on: September 25, 2024, 09:41:31 AM »
Thank you for this feedback.
I think I'll take a 52.
For the color, apparently not many people chose the Chameleon 08HS or Chameleon 13HS colors.

Definitely go with a chameleon color as it includes a clear coat as part of the process. The standard colors from light carbon don't include a clear coat which makes them less durable.

rasch

Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D)
« Reply #704 on: September 25, 2024, 10:18:43 AM »
Definitely go with a chameleon color as it includes a clear coat as part of the process. The standard colors from light carbon don't include a clear coat which makes them less durable.

Mine had and it's just "blue". Colour also seems fine on mine. Didn't see anything yet which might indicate bad painting but again it's just one simple colour from their classic colours