Author Topic: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter  (Read 31104 times)

SillyMochi

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #135 on: October 04, 2024, 11:41:02 AM »
No it's actually a lot more complicated than that and it's also a reason why other single sided PM brands/models don't offer L/R balance. The PM only knows if one side is putting power or not, that's it. To conclude that the other side is always putting exactly the same power skews the L/R stats. If you buy the assioma UNO (which is pretty much the golden standard for PM accuracy) you'll notice they don't provide L/R balance for that reason, because it's not possible to get accurate data. That's also why in the assioma app you can specify a L/R power balance if you know you're always outputting 45/55 for instance. This way the uno won't simply *double* your power but will use this ratio.

Think about it this way, with your logic you could be doing one-legged workout (where you only have one leg clipped in) and the single side power meter would think you're applying power on the other side when you don't even have a foot clipped on the other side. Single side powermeter will never be accurate for L/R balance because it can only tell if one side is putting power or not.

I've had assioma duos. During high intensity workouts/sprints it's very common to get an imbalance on the power because people tend to have a stronger leg/side.

Well, that is not quite correct. You are talking about a one-sided pedal based power meter - there you are correct; they double the one-sided reading to get total power. Which of course is a "guesstimate" since that only works if you apply power completely even. And since it truly is a one-sided measurement, it cannot provide any L/R-balance.

But a spider based power meter does not do that. It sits, as the name suggests, at the spider or the axle if you prefer that. Therefore, it does not only get the applied power from one side (as in on a crank or pedal reading) but from both sides as it sits in between. And since it also knows which side of the crank is currently in the down/up-stroke movement, it can attribute that power to the respective side. It is not 100% exact as in a dual-sided crank/pedal reading, since you could influence the reading for example by pulling on the pedals. However, the amount of power you can apply by pulling compared to pushing on the pedals is so small, it really does not matter much. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, pulling on the pedals should be avoided anyway since it is energy inefficient.

To pick up your example with that one-legged workout: doing that on a spider based PM, like the Magene here, will actually give you correct data. And will also show quite a hefty L/R imbalance depending on which foot you keep "inactive".

What a spider based PM cannot measure (and therefore will also not show up in their data), are the other cycling dynamics stats like Seated/Standing Position, Power Phase (PP), and Platform Center Offset (PCO) as they are truly pedal dependent measurement. Hope that makes sense and clears up a few misunderstandings?
Slow on the climb. And everywhere else.

TidyDinosaur

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #136 on: October 04, 2024, 01:14:41 PM »
Did you need any spacer to get an accurate alignment with the PM spider? I'm probably going to do the same as you with the Riro/Racework crankset.
Nope, just put everything together as it came and it looks like it fits. I have not tested it on the road though...

Dunder

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #137 on: October 08, 2024, 06:56:40 AM »
Hi. Anyone have som example of good 1x crank and chainring combo with p505?

TidyDinosaur

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #138 on: October 08, 2024, 06:58:32 AM »
Hi. Anyone have som example of good 1x crank and chainring combo with p505?

Riro carbon crank (3 bolt version) will work.

« Last Edit: October 08, 2024, 07:06:14 AM by TidyDinosaur »

kubackje

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #139 on: October 08, 2024, 09:05:11 AM »
Hi. Anyone have som example of good 1x crank and chainring combo with p505?

SRAM force + pass quest chainring + magene pm

hsaus

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #140 on: October 08, 2024, 10:32:05 AM »
Hi. Anyone have som example of good 1x crank and chainring combo with p505?

P505 - multiple, depends on which variant you have (older SRAM 3-bolt, newer SRAM 8-bolt, Rotor.

P505 Base - none that I'm aware of

gloscherrybomb

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #141 on: October 08, 2024, 04:53:10 PM »
I use the Magene crank and an alugear n/w chainring. No problems.

Fatbonzo

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #142 on: October 25, 2024, 02:13:22 AM »
Price went down to 264€, today it's at 275€, while usually sitting around 300€... Bit surprising prior to 11.11., I'm hoping for a good deal

GSoroos

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #143 on: October 31, 2024, 04:50:47 PM »
I'm considering getting the full set with 52x36 chainrings, but I'm very concerned about the issues of left crank loosening. Is this still an issue and how widespread is it?

It sounds like some people have better luck when: 1) using threadlock on the pinch bolt. 2) Torquing all [pinch and preload] bolts to the upper limit of the spec. and possibly 3) Using a Shimano preload bolt.

I would be upgrading from an ancient squaretaper Dura-ace crank and bottom bracket, so I wouldn't have a spare Shimano preload bolt. But there are many aluminum ones on aliex that should work. Looks like it would be M20. Can anyone verify?

Thanks for any advice.

Bigbobby1482

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #144 on: October 31, 2024, 05:01:59 PM »
Magene are now supplying with a new pre-load bolt that assumably fixes the issue. I saw this in their new instructions video.

I have the old pre-load bolt type, and it came loose multiple times. After applying threadlocker there's been zero issue  :D

I'd say go for it, can't beat it for the money.

00Garza

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #145 on: October 31, 2024, 05:40:15 PM »
I received the new bolt and replaced the shimano preload bolt I was using as a placeholder. The new bolt is longer and much more robust than the shimano preload bolt. Can't really remember the fine details of the original bolt, but the new one has not come loose at all.
Overall, its a great purchase. If there's a price drop for 11.11, then its a no brainer. Go for it!

SirBikealot

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #146 on: October 31, 2024, 05:54:28 PM »
even right now the price is really good. just looked it up to my purchase on march i paid 263€ after a 50€ discount.
right now a set sits in my cart and after the choice discount it says 184$ after price adjustment and 1300 coins spent.
even if i didn't want power on my gravel bike, there will be power in the next weeks
« Last Edit: October 31, 2024, 06:04:21 PM by SirBikealot »

SillyMochi

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #147 on: October 31, 2024, 06:08:58 PM »
Thanks for the idea. Just ordered it for 171 USD incl shipping to Germany (+some local tax to be payed at the door) using the 30 USD coupon. Last time I payed ~240 USD which I considered well priced.
Slow on the climb. And everywhere else.

Dunder

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #148 on: November 01, 2024, 02:34:52 PM »
Wierd. It says 230 euro for me? Official store no chainring.

SillyMochi

Re: Magene P505 PES Base Spider Powermeter
« Reply #149 on: November 01, 2024, 03:00:07 PM »
This listing with the 30 USD discount applied?
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EySjajb
Slow on the climb. And everywhere else.