Workswell WCB-M-062

[edi]

Hi everyone. Has anybody know if the carbon frame I write the link is an update of the WCB-M 062?. The seller is COMPETITIVE CYCLIST in AliExpress.

http://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/mtb-carbon-frame-29er-Special-carbon-mtb-frame-27-5-carbon-bike-frame-mtb-frame-29/1943074_32506687329.html?spm=2114.04020208.3.67.7IWGGK&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_3_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6149

Thank in advance.

[xcbarny]

Bummer man. What are you going to go with now?

Did you tell them that you are opening a dispute with Paypal?

I opened the dispute, then shortly after Yoyo started emailing me again- although he never mentioned the Paypal dispute.

He was still saying that I pay shipping OK !

Still took no responsibility for sending me the wrong frame, and still claimed that I received a PF30 (conveniently ignoring that they'd permanently glued a BB92 adaptor in there).

I guess one issue is that these guys aren't cyclists. They've no real idea what the product is for and how we're using them, they just want to make a sale. My mistake was that I asked his advice about what BB shell I should get to work with an EBB (since some manufacturers won't allow their frames to be used with one). He obviously had no idea what an EBB is, and still claims that it will work OK with my groupset..! I wanted a frame with an aluminum sleeve in the BB, so he sent me a BB92 adaptor - made of aluminum.

Anyway, since they wouldn't budge on the shipping cost, he has said that he will give me a refund - though he hasn't confirmed how much this will be yet. If its anything less than the 395 I paid, I will escalate the issue with Paypal to get them to make a decision on it.

Hopefully I can get the refund sorted in the next couple of days.

So this still leaves me needing a frame! I have a number of friends with the Iplay / carbonspeed 256 frame, which looks great, but is out of my price range. It does seem that Peters work on the forums, getting his brand out there, has allowed them to up their prices.

The 056 / 057 frames and the 106 doesn't really excite me after seeing the Workswell / SWorks copy. But then I found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252212486387?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016-new-style-China-29er-MTB-Bike-29er-Carbon-Frame-135-10-and-142-12mm-thru/32546313850.html

Price is good, and the geometry looks nearly as good as the M062, Chainstays a bit longer at 435, and head angle a bit slacker at 70. I'm not sure what it is copied from? Its similar to the Rocky mountain Vertex - but not quite. Anyway, numbers look good to me - just not sure on the company, though they've been on AliExpress a year longer than Workswell, if that counts for anything.

[xcbarny]

Hi everyone. Has anybody know if the carbon frame I write the link is an update of the WCB-M 062?. The seller is COMPETITIVE CYCLIST in AliExpress.

http://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/mtb-carbon-frame-29er-Special-carbon-mtb-frame-27-5-carbon-bike-frame-mtb-frame-29/1943074_32506687329.html?spm=2114.04020208.3.67.7IWGGK&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_3_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6149

Thank in advance.

Frame looks the same, and the Factory is in the same city in China. I expect it's the same company.

[xcbarny]

Actually. The geometry is the same - Sworks copy, but the frame looks a bit different.

The dropouts aren't replaceable, and the rear brake routing looks to be external along the downtube.
Would be good to see the page in English.

[edi]

Actually. The geometry is the same - Sworks copy, but the frame looks a bit different.

The dropouts aren't replaceable, and the rear brake routing looks to be external along the downtube.
Would be good to see the page in English.

Sorry xcbarny. You'r right. Here you are the link in english.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-new-model-MTB-SWorks-carbon-mtb-frame-29er-Mountain-bikes-frames-27-5er-headset-15/32462607307.html

[bxcc]

Hi everyone. Has anybody know if the carbon frame I write the link is an update of the WCB-M 062?. The seller is COMPETITIVE CYCLIST in AliExpress.

http://es.aliexpress.com/store/product/mtb-carbon-frame-29er-Special-carbon-mtb-frame-27-5-carbon-bike-frame-mtb-frame-29/1943074_32506687329.html?spm=2114.04020208.3.67.7IWGGK&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_3,searchweb201644_3_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_6149

Thank in advance.

I wouldn't think that it's an updated version as external cable routing and 135 QR only is getting to be old. The rest of the frame does look the same though. Is there a geometry chart anywhere?

[RS VR6]

After converting my rear to 142...not sure I'd go back to a 135.

[edi]

Here you are a link with geometry information. http://m.aliexpress.com/item-desc/32506687329.html

[xcbarny]

Well, my refund came through to Paypal.

I got the full refund, which puzzles me. Surely it would have been cheaper for them to send me a new frame, than give me a full refund?
Theoretically, I could now use that cash to buy a new frame from them, at that price including shipping.

Oh well I now need to find another frame!

[bxcc]

Well, my refund came through to Paypal.

I got the full refund, which puzzles me. Surely it would have been cheaper for them to send me a new frame, than give me a full refund?
Theoretically, I could now use that cash to buy a new frame from them, at that price including shipping.

Oh well I now need to find another frame!

Well that's good to hear. I've been very pleased with mine. If it's the frame you want, you might as well try again. Try buying through Amazon. You might get a little more buyer protection from them if anything else comes up.

http://www.amazon.com/SOBATO®-Carbon-Frame-Design-Mountain/dp/B018NG83HO/ref=sr_1_15?m=A34JHRZYUEH9ZW&s=merchant-items&ie=UTF8&qid=1452559399&sr=1-15

[xcbarny]

Actually. The geometry is the same - Sworks copy, but the frame looks a bit different.

The dropouts aren't replaceable, and the rear brake routing looks to be external along the downtube.
Would be good to see the page in English.

Sorry xcbarny. You'r right. Here you are the link in english.

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2015-new-model-MTB-SWorks-carbon-mtb-frame-29er-Mountain-bikes-frames-27-5er-headset-15/32462607307.html

My worry with this company is, they've only been on AliExpress for a year, and most of there frames seem to be knock offs. I imagine that they stay up for a while, until Specialized get them taken down for counterfeiting, then they change their name to something else, and come back up on AliExpress.

I guess this doesn't mean that there'd be an issue with their frames, but they might be a bit hard to track down if you do have a problem.

[Oolak]

My worry with this company is, they've only been on AliExpress for a year, and most of there frames seem to be knock offs. I imagine that they stay up for a while, until Specialized get them taken down for counterfeiting, then they change their name to something else, and come back up on AliExpress.

I guess this doesn't mean that there'd be an issue with their frames, but they might be a bit hard to track down if you do have a problem.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Specilized can do jack about Chinese companies selling knock-offs

[edi]

Their frames are built in T1000 fiber. What do you think?

[xcbarny]

My worry with this company is, they've only been on AliExpress for a year, and most of there frames seem to be knock offs. I imagine that they stay up for a while, until Specialized get them taken down for counterfeiting, then they change their name to something else, and come back up on AliExpress.

I guess this doesn't mean that there'd be an issue with their frames, but they might be a bit hard to track down if you do have a problem.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think Specilized can do jack about Chinese companies selling knock-offs

I did read an article about how specialized has a dedicated team, trawling though Alibaba and Dhgate etc, and getting counterfeit listings removed. I won't list it here, as there was a lot of BS about all chinese frames being inferior.

[xcbarny]

Sorry for derailing this thread guys! Seems to have gone a bit astray.