Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 184830 times)

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #915 on: Today at 09:50:02 AM »
I have said many times that the union between the direction tube and the horizontal tube is different from that of the original Tarmac, and all copies use the same union.
I think all the copies come out of the same factory, which is not so much or anything like that.

I will get a better look when my X68 arrives but it looks identical to me!
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #916 on: Today at 09:56:00 AM »
Check my 56 size with specialized Web.
« Last Edit: Today at 10:44:31 AM by Davidhe23 »

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #917 on: Today at 10:02:03 AM »
Check my 56 size with specialized Web.


Will get a better Idea when the frame arrives and I can compare the two frames side by side
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #918 on: Today at 10:12:20 AM »
Yeah so I'm finally selling off my real SL8 frameset. It's been collecting dust, with the exception experimenting with super narrow handlebars and obnoxiously long stems. The Chinese brands are good enough now for my needs. Wheels and groupsets are more important anyway.

I'm looking forward to hearing more longer term feedback on the X68. That way I can get one and use it as a "tribute" bike LoL

greengoblinbean

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #919 on: Today at 10:27:36 AM »
Quick update on my frame. I have around 500km on it at the moment and still zero issues. I do wince a bit when I ride over big potholes, almost in preparation for a a fork failure, but nothing concerning has happened. I also am now checking the fork after every ride both visually and with the coin test to make sure things look good. Happy customer so far ;D

Serge_K

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #920 on: Today at 10:39:08 AM »
Yeah so I'm finally selling off my real SL8 frameset. It's been collecting dust, with the exception experimenting with super narrow handlebars and obnoxiously long stems. The Chinese brands are good enough now for my needs. Wheels and groupsets are more important anyway.

I'm looking forward to hearing more longer term feedback on the X68. That way I can get one and use it as a "tribute" bike LoL

Wait, really? I thought you made videos on how amazing the frame was and how clearly better it was, and faster, and all of that? What... happened?
I dont actually have a horse in this race, but i didn't expect that!

As I said some months ago, I am sure that Tan Tan and Taiwan Eisen are the same frames.

Whoever is the producer, the dynamic qualities of the frame are very good, the quality of the finiture is sufficient.
The only thing I am a bit worried after 1.000Km is the solidity of the fork: it is around 330gr uncut and it is lighter than the SL8 original..


fwiw, i dont know what "dynamic qualities" are, and what "quality of the finiture" means.

I have said many times that the union between the direction tube and the horizontal tube is different from that of the original Tarmac, and all copies use the same union.

Direction tube, you mean steerer tube? Horizontal tube, you mean top tube?
What do you mean by "union", exactly?
And if it's just a shape thing you see by eye, rather than a layup or manufacturing method, i'd argue it may only prove they use the same mould. Open moulds are a thing. Fake specialized are incredibly popular. I wouldn't be surprised that different people could buy a clone mould from somewhere. Also, idk how one goes from CAD to mould, but potentially, a clone CAD file is circulating and different are ordering moulds on the back of that. Idk much, but i am aware of how much idk.

Point is: I dont have a horse in this race, but while both you guys are like "i told you so", i doubt either of you is convincing anyone. My dad's cousin was a conspiracy theorist, and an alcoholic. He would say a lot of non sense and people just tuned out. There was a lot "i told you so". His impact? he was run over by a car, so he did make an impact. On the car. Rest his soul.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Sakizashi

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #921 on: Today at 10:58:20 AM »
Just out of curiosity, why are people resistant to the idea that TanTan / Seraph are the ones making fake frames?

Objectively, this saga raises the following possibilities:
  • TanTan sources some of their frames from other factories
  • TanTan doesn't fully own or control their factory. Perhaps it is a shared asset and these fakes are financed by another partner in the factory
  • TanTan is producing fake frames

Folks seem sold on scenario 1, but I don't get it. Most of the frames on this thread already sport S Works or Specialized decals, so it's not resistance to counterfeiting. I'm just really curious to understand why TanTan is held in enough regard to discount possibilities 2 and 3.
« Last Edit: Today at 11:00:46 AM by Sakizashi »

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #922 on: Today at 11:29:04 AM »
Wait, really? I thought you made videos on how amazing the frame was and how clearly better it was, and faster, and all of that? What... happened?
I dont actually have a horse in this race, but i didn't expect that!

I'll be fully transparent and honest in here since Chinatown is my family now of 5 years  ;D

1. The Tarmac SL8 is the lightest most comfortable and crosswind-stable frame I've reviewed. Climbing on it is fantastic. The magic sauce that Specialized uses is tangible and real. I've done 6-7 hour rides on it and never really felt frame fatigue afterwards. But it's not super exciting to ride everyday, in how I subjectively quantify excitement. It's not exhilarating. It's comfy but lacks character. That doesn't mean it isn't fast. It's speedy for sure.

2. The SL8/SL7 are NPC bikes around here. Sure they are great on paper, but everyone has one. I don't care if more road feedback means marginally less rolling resistance. I like my frames to actually feel stiff because in my head that means "stomp on the pedals harder" It's why I owned two Allez Sprints and the latest Giant Propel. Stiff bikes are fun bikes. Stiff bikes feel fast. Cornering on a stiff bike is so freakin fun.

3. I only invested in the SL8 for the sake of benchmarking against other frames. Specialized fan boys (admittedly probably one myself) tell me all the time the SL8 is the one to beat, so I figured I'd put my money where my mouth is. And after 1 year of use, the frameset has served it's purpose. Same with my Propel. My YouTube channel's marginal success is predicated on constantly testing out new products. Similar to the independent car tuner channels. Legacy products don't bring in views because the audience is always expecting new projects.

4. The primary reason over everything above however is two-fold: Money and Philosophy. I can no longer afford to have several $6000-$8000 bikes lying around if they aren't getting used enough. Which is funny considering I ride 10,000mi/16,000km a year. So having an SL8 collecting dust because I don't love it is a terrible terrible financial decision. And finally, I realize I just don't "need" an expensive bike for my usage. I will continue to review Western-brands as time/budget allows. Although I suspect nothing will come close to the SL8 anytime soon. The new Scott Addict looks tasty. That's the only bike I'd invest my money into at the moment. I considered the Factor Ostro for a while but....meh.

Getting back into competitively riding my bikes in circles this season has been an eye-opener to what's important to me in a bike. I 100% feel like an idiot making that comment because I am very much still an amateur with both a forgettable FTP and skill level. I am not qualified to speak on crit racing. That said, my Tavelo Arow has been fantastic for the 11 or 12 crits I've done so far. Yes I was sent the frame. But my Yishun/LC R086D which I paid for is just as capable. Pushing bikes closer to (my) theoretical limits has taught me that both the OEM and mid-level Chinese brands are more than capable of producing great frames for their intended purposes. The resell value however is absolutely atrocious. If that's important to you...

I still would like to test an X68 just so I finally close the chapter on my SL8. I just think wheels, groupset, fitness/coach, and optimal position on the bike have played more of a critical role than the importance of the frame itself.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #923 on: Today at 11:44:40 AM »
Just out of curiosity, why are people resistant to the idea that TanTan / Seraph are the ones making fake frames?

Objectively, this saga raises the following possibilities:
  • TanTan sources some of their frames from other factories
  • TanTan doesn't fully own or control their factory. Perhaps it is a shared asset and these fakes are financed by another partner in the factory
  • TanTan is producing fake frames

No one is resistant to the idea other than apparently tantan themselves.

Folks seem sold on scenario 1, but I don't get it. Most of the frames on this thread already sport S Works or Specialized decals, so it's not resistance to counterfeiting. I'm just really curious to understand why TanTan is held in enough regard to discount possibilities 2 and 3.