Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 1475982 times)

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #510 on: April 01, 2025, 07:21:41 AM »
Cool. Curious as to why you folks with actual sl8's are ordering these...

less expensive second bike for Winters in UK.
Plus i buy western brands and I also follow Chinese products closely as well, as but them.
I had a second bike Winspace SLC2.0 with hyper wheels but It was a little to small and I am bored so need a new project.
Tan Tan X68
XM Carbon speed Wheels 60f 65 & Carbon Crank
Ultegra Di2 Groupset

Lero970

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #511 on: April 01, 2025, 07:24:42 AM »
less expensive second bike for Winters in UK.
Plus i buy western brands and I also follow Chinese products closely as well, as but them.
I had a second bike Winspace SLC2.0 with hyper wheels but It was a little to small and I am bored so need a new project.
Tan Tan X68
XM Carbon speed Wheels 60f 65 & Carbon Crank
Ultegra Di2 Groupset

Sorry for the off-topic but may I ask which carbon crank you plan on using? Thanks in advance.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #512 on: April 01, 2025, 12:48:25 PM »
Sorry for the off-topic but may I ask which carbon crank you plan on using? Thanks in advance.


Well I have literally just purchase some wheels from DFS Carbon (based in Xiamen)and also there crank.
Have ordered a set of 60-65mm deep 25mm inner width Superlight T1000 UD Paintless Rims 20-20H H-Works Hubs which are generic as everyone seems to be using these and 5mm at carbon spokes.
Cranks is 170mm UD Raw Gloss with 24mm Ti axle including Alu spider, again this design is generic like they are all but they have tested against Cybrei Eliliee THM sram etc well allegedly they sent data.
doing managed to get the wheels and cranks with delivery tax free (thats i take with a pinch of salt

JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #513 on: April 02, 2025, 03:13:41 AM »
The color seems to have shades of pink....can you confirm or am I seeing incorrectly?

Don't think so. But I don't have a frame yet so can' confirm for 100%

Kris

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #514 on: April 02, 2025, 03:41:27 AM »
After bought and build several Velobuild frames I would like to go ahead with this frame as a next project.
But as always, I’m doubting about the paintjob.

Does anyone has experience with an ice crack paint job? Is this the same quality as a ‘normal’ paintjob?
It costs 3times as much as a standard paintjob (90 vs 280) so I want to be sure that at least the quality is the same.
Any other opinions why not to go ahead with this paintjob, please give your comments.

I added a picture from a different frame to give you an idea about the paintjob if you are not familiar with this.

Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #515 on: April 02, 2025, 04:04:57 AM »
+1 on that. The layup know-how is with the factories, not the brands, at this point, i'm pretty sure. Westerners don't like going to and spending time in China. Some brands will do in house prototypes, you'd have to trust that the factory would replicate the layup - i'd question that. Most brands don't do any layup, they ask the factory to get the frame to be that stiff in that area, to weigh that much, and voila. I'm convinced that if you're not on the factory floor, you don't know your product. Especially in China.

People locally talk, they learn, they switch companies, they start their own thing, they moonlight. Techniques are getting better, know-how is getting better, and know-how is spreading.

On price, i heard that the factory that makes frames for Factor charges Factor less than $500 per frame...

Now, can you buy a fake SL8 and get something indistinguishable? No idea. But we're not talking rocket ships. And with tyres getting bigger, all this air will mute a lot of differences. And even if back to back, you may be able to tell the difference, ride whichever frame 5x and you'll probably forget how the other one felt. For probably 90% of riders (the last 10% would be racers, sprinters and the likes).
Speaking of know-how, these are the words of CEO Colnago in an interview: "We have the V Series which, like almost all racing bikes made in the world, comes from Asian countries (China and Taiwan). And not for price reasons but because they have developed notable skills on carbon there".

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #516 on: April 02, 2025, 06:55:01 AM »
Speaking of know-how, these are the words of CEO Colnago in an interview: "We have the V Series which, like almost all racing bikes made in the world, comes from Asian countries (China and Taiwan). And not for price reasons but because they have developed notable skills on carbon there".


Well I agree with Serge_K
Things i have noticed in the last 4 years have taken a massive leap, and yes knowhow is spread.
Joe Whittingham also say this in his YT China Cycling channel or interviews he has had with other you tubers.
People move around gain knowledge an pass knowledge on so everything keeps getting better and the Chinese have caught on and are developing there own brands as that is where the $$$ is
Xiamen obviously is where at is at for the industry
   
                                                       Xiamen                                Shenzhen/Guangdong                            
Specialization in Bike Frames   ✅ Yes, major hub                     ❌ Not primary                            
Carbon Fiber Application             Mostly bicycles   & Wheels             More tech & drones                  
Production Costs                 Lower than Shenzhen                   Higher labour & land costs        
Presence of Big Brands          Many OEMs/ODMs                             Few frame makers   

I'm very very interested to see this frame when I receive and build it against the real thing, it may possibly get to a point where I stop buying the western brands
Same is for watches I have well a pricey watch and now the $1000 copies are near on indistinguishable and need experts to make assessments to there authenticity, as people are getting caught out buying as genuine which may just happen with the bikes.
I buy a real one  and a copy and get it same colour decals etc and dont register real frame  and sell it with warranty there you go!     
And before anyone says anything no I am not planning to do this I do have a moral compass!     
   

Rebel_Yell

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #517 on: April 02, 2025, 07:25:57 AM »

Well I have literally just purchase some wheels from DFS Carbon (based in Xiamen)and also there crank.
Have ordered a set of 60-65mm deep 25mm inner width Superlight T1000 UD Paintless Rims 20-20H H-Works Hubs which are generic as everyone seems to be using these and 5mm at carbon spokes.
Cranks is 170mm UD Raw Gloss with 24mm Ti axle including Alu spider, again this design is generic like they are all but they have tested against Cybrei Eliliee THM sram etc well allegedly they sent data.
doing managed to get the wheels and cranks with delivery tax free (thats i take with a pinch of salt


Do you have a link to where you purchased the wheels and cranks? I have not had luck searching. Thanks

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #518 on: April 02, 2025, 07:54:00 AM »
Rebel

Like TAN TAN I contacted by WhatsApp
I can give you number if you want or email but have been chatting on WhatsApp
Names Angler: +8618850007287
Looking at 2-3 weeks before sent

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #519 on: April 02, 2025, 08:02:42 AM »
The color seems to have shades of pink....can you confirm or am I seeing incorrectly?

Its not pink, its a pearl white. The pearl is very reflective and color shifts based on ambient. Photo of my frame which is same paint.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #520 on: April 02, 2025, 08:08:32 AM »
Rebel

Like TAN TAN I contacted by WhatsApp
I can give you number if you want or email but have been chatting on WhatsApp
No website
Names Angler: +8618850007287
Looking at 2-3 weeks before sent

Rebel_Yell



Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #523 on: April 02, 2025, 06:31:31 PM »
Just got info that my frame is finised and shipped out. I ordered/paid mine on the 16th of January. Also got some pics from the Tantan guys before they packed and shiped it out.  :)

dovh did they send you paint sample via email for this colour?

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #524 on: April 02, 2025, 06:35:53 PM »
At tan tan, they call this "UD matte". That's also what I ordered :) They also sent some exemplary photos, which looked good...

Can you post the photos they sent?