Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 1474857 times)

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #615 on: April 16, 2025, 02:38:39 AM »
If you give her the go ahead she'll send you an invoice along with payment options-paypal, wise etc.

thanks

tiz92

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #616 on: April 16, 2025, 03:32:54 AM »
btw does anybody have experience in using a raw carbon frame without any colour or "protection" coat? Is that even possible. I find varying answers online.

Bonus79

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #617 on: April 16, 2025, 03:33:57 AM »
today i sent an email to tan tan, and jessi answered me immediately. great. i requested a no paint frame, i will paint it myself, the price is attractive at 589 instead of 629 dollars. but the tan tan site does not have the automatic payment procedure that the seraph site has. how can i pay on the tan tan site?
he did not specify the production times of the frame or if it was already available in stock.
I'm curious to see the finishes of the raw frame, especially the thru-axle and dropout stops.
Maybe post some photos before painting the frame, thanks.  ;)

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #618 on: April 16, 2025, 05:10:10 AM »
btw does anybody have experience in using a raw carbon frame without any colour or "protection" coat? Is that even possible. I find varying answers online.

Why would you want a frame with no finish at all?

High-end frames like those from SWI or the Masterpiece series by BMC sometimes use this approach—similar to UD (unidirectional) paintless carbon rims. However, achieving a flawless raw carbon look is extremely time-consuming, as any imperfection becomes immediately visible.

Large-scale factories typically don't have the time or precision to pull this off consistently. Most frames will require sanding, the addition of filler to address imperfections, and then a proper finish to achieve a clean and consistent look.

So you can but the frame is going to look Sh1t!

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #619 on: April 16, 2025, 05:15:02 AM »
I'm curious to see the finishes of the raw frame, especially the thru-axle and dropout stops.
Maybe post some photos before painting the frame, thanks.  ;)


These links maybe of some help


https://youtu.be/f4gSbvdK0Mw?si=DY-Ig8ECD-1py0rq


https://youtu.be/1mO_n91GjKA?si=MnrN6z2x4Jrj0HDw

OlHag Cyclismo

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #620 on: April 16, 2025, 10:38:25 AM »
My Seraph/ TanTan TT X 68 Build - Size 54 - Matte Black

6.94kg - $2900ish all in. Weight is plus or minus 50gwith grease, and misc hardware not accounted for.
I acquired most of these parts used over the course of 4-5 months, via ebay and facebook. I learned about most of the build options, not named shimano, from this site or via youtube (GC Performance, Pat Lino, China Cycling, etc...). I also built this bike by myself, first time ever doing a frame-up build, and used GC's SL8 bike build and his other videos.

Frameset - $629 + $100 shipping. Took about 2 months to receive.
Frame w/ headset bearings, bottle cage bolts, fd mount, rd mount - 878g
Uncut Fork - 339g      Cut Fork - 309g (10mm spacer)
Uncut Seatpost w/ hardware - 166g      Seatpost Wedge - 20g
Thru Axles - 62g
Bar/ Stem 120/38 - 326g
Spacers and Covers - 15g
Garmin Mount - 28g (kinda sucks on first impression, will be looking for alternatives)
BSA30 BB - 88g
Aliexpress SL8 Direct Mount RD Hanger - 15g (saves 8g)

CRW 50/55 Wheelset - 1325g
MT900 160/140 Rotors - 187g (pair)
Aliexpress Tubeless Valves - 11g (pair)
Sunshine Cassette 11-32 - 230g
Vittoria Corsa Pro Control Cream 28 Tubeless - 633g (should be 520g for the pair according to BRR.com)
Amazon CL Rings - 23g (pair)
Stans Sealant 40ml per tire - 60g

Shimano ST-R8170 - 399g
Shimano BR-R8170 - 300g (bolts, pads, calipers)
Shimano FD-R8150 - 112g
Shimano RD-R8150 - 250g
Shimano BT-DN300 - 52g
Di2 Cables - 16g
Sram Force 170, Quarq PM, 53/39 Chainrings - 753g (old sram powerglide chainrings)
KMC X12 Gold - 243g (uncut was 273g)
Brake Hoses - 35g (approximate. I subtracted the excess)

Aliexpress Carbon Bottle Cages - 48g (pair)
Ryet 3d Ultralight 143mm - 165g
Deda Tretaforo Bar Tape - 35g (40g uncut)
R8000 Ultegra Pedals - 248g

Future Weight Weenie Options:
HY Seatpost - 130g - $167 (saves 36g)
Avian Canary - 266g - $300 approximately (saves 60g)
BDOP 11-30 Cassette - 126g - $160 (saves 104g)
Xcadey/ Lexon 53/39 - 600g - $615 (saves 153g)
J&L Axles - 47g - $40(saves 15g)
Tofu Comtura Prima 28 Tires - 480g - $120 (saves 153g over current tires)
Wheels - 1150-1200g - $800 to infinity (plenty of options here)
Saddle - 100-130g - $40 to infinity (plenty of options here)
Hey y'all, long term review here. I built the bike in January 2025, rode it on the trainer for about a month, and have ridden it outside 3-4 times a week since mid February. I have raced it once. I've got somewhere close to 500 miles on it at this point, maybe more.

Frame: it works, but cant speak to how it compares to other disc brake bikes. I do feel as though it is responsive to putting power down, but maybe not super snappy and that could be several other factors. My previous cervelo r3 rim brake was extremely snappy, but I was also very aggressive when riding that thing. The only "issue" I've had is with the headset cover deal rubbing on the frame itself, instead of floating a .5mm over it. Could be my fault when I built the bike, but going to chalk it up to the part being slightly off. For my first disc brake bike, I have really enjoyed riding it and I'm looking forward to going full weight weenie with it over the next year. I would highly recommend this frame for anyone going the china frame route.

Bars: I went with the 120/38 bars. The bars appear to be exact copies of the specialized bars. They are quite comfortable and have a large aero foil shape to them. I'm not entirely sure where they measure the stem, but this "120" stem has the same length as a 110 stem on another set of bars. I haven't noticed any serious deflection when sprinting, but I'm around 67kg and doing 1200 watt sprints. I don't like the computer mount that's included because it doesn't lock into the handle bar like a traditional 2 bolt under stem mount does. It gets the job done, but I'll be upgrading in the future.

Wheels: The CRW's are fantastic. Aero and lightweight. Seating tires is no issue.

Groupset: its ultegra di2, it works, nothing more to say. the aliexpress cassette works fine, and is only slightly less smooth than a shimano cassette.

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #621 on: April 16, 2025, 01:52:51 PM »
I'm curious to see the finishes of the raw frame, especially the thru-axle and dropout stops.
Maybe post some photos before painting the frame, thanks.  ;)

yes, It will be in July, if the times are like this

tiz92

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #622 on: April 17, 2025, 07:23:29 AM »
Very good news from my side. The frame was send out today. I excpect 3 weeks to get it.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #623 on: April 17, 2025, 07:29:43 AM »
Very good news from my side. The frame was send out today. I excpect 3 weeks to get it.


I thought they said another 7-10 days yesterday? anyway regardless good news!
Hopefully the post will not take 3 weeks! Watching the slow ass tracking daily is killer! ;D

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #624 on: April 17, 2025, 08:43:31 AM »

I thought they said another 7-10 days yesterday? anyway regardless good news!
Hopefully the post will not take 3 weeks! Watching the slow ass tracking daily is killer! ;D
LOL. Mine landed in the USA 6 days ago, no tracking updates, called usps today and its out for delivery to me today, finally, on day 93 since payment. Will assemble and ride over the weekend.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #625 on: April 17, 2025, 08:52:47 AM »
LOL. Mine landed in the USA 6 days ago, no tracking updates, called usps today and its out for delivery to me today, finally, on day 93 since payment. Will assemble and ride over the weekend.

Jesus 93 Days! and when did you order again and what was the original duration? did they keep you updated at all?
That's double what they claim, I might be putting Christmas decorations up when it comes!  :-\ ;D

tiz92

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #626 on: April 17, 2025, 10:15:28 AM »

I thought they said another 7-10 days yesterday? anyway regardless good news!
Hopefully the post will not take 3 weeks! Watching the slow ass tracking daily is killer! ;D

I think they dont know exactly how fast the painting factory is. I think they outsource that part and thus have less control over the whole process thus sometimes they can be faster or slower. Nevertheless 3 weeks is quiet normal, I reguarly buy chinese wheelsets and around 20 days is normal but Im fine with that I dont have any stress.

makl

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #627 on: April 17, 2025, 10:43:45 AM »
I think they dont know exactly how fast the painting factory is. I think they outsource that part and thus have less control over the whole process thus sometimes they can be faster or slower. Nevertheless 3 weeks is quiet normal, I reguarly buy chinese wheelsets and around 20 days is normal but Im fine with that I dont have any stress.

I ordered the same day as you (13.03.25), and also was notified today that my frame was shipped out. Did they send you a photo of your order as well? In the photo they sent me, the seatpost looks a bit short. I hope they didn't send the short version (I ordered frame size 56). Also the frame looks rather black matte, although I ordered "UD matte", however that wouldn't be a dealbreaker...

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #628 on: April 17, 2025, 11:05:58 AM »
Mine is here. Initial impressions-well packed, wheels and frame in single box (size 49). My bike shipped 160/160 rotors (wheeltop build) . Rotors are low end shimano. Crank (going in bin) is senix, rings look same brand but ok. 
As far as the fork goes, the distance between the points for the mount on the fork is 60mm. The adapter does not appear to be reversible for 140, but I'm not taking it off for now as I'm running 160 anyway. Will update when I mount campy calipers in a couple weeks.
The seatpost binder is even branded (tarmac) so suspect the Hylix post will fit for those wanting zero.
The chameleon white is stunning in the sun.
Only niggle so far is paid for the 3d saddle and didn't get one. have one here.

Build report in a day or so.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2025, 11:15:49 AM by glepore »

tiz92

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #629 on: April 17, 2025, 12:21:11 PM »
I ordered the same day as you (13.03.25), and also was notified today that my frame was shipped out. Did they send you a photo of your order as well? In the photo they sent me, the seatpost looks a bit short. I hope they didn't send the short version (I ordered frame size 56). Also the frame looks rather black matte, although I ordered "UD matte", however that wouldn't be a dealbreaker...

No foto, they just asked me if the shipping adress was correct.