Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 1474327 times)

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #705 on: April 24, 2025, 06:40:49 AM »
Anyone installed ltwoo on this frame? The front caliper doesn't fit and the ltwoo adapters don't work. I'm clueless :o

Its not ltwoo. Its Specialized. Much discussion in this thread if you look a few pages back. Aetheos and SL8 (and this clone) have unique bolt spacing in the front that requires the use of a 160 rotor and the adapter that is unique to the frame, not another manufacturer's (whether that be ltwoo or Shimano or...). Standard spacing of the bolt mounts throughout the industry is 70mm, the SL8's is 60 mm, supposedly to allow for less material and some weight savings. So the front mount is unique, and requires an adapter. It also makes 140 front impossible.
I'm not familiar with ltwoo, but if their front caliper is designed to direct mount to the fork and run a 160 rotor, that's the same as Campagnolo's front setup, which doesn't work on an Sl8. The solution is to use a rear caliper mounted to the Specialized/tantan mount in the front. Any mineral oil caliper designed for 140 for work if you use the correct barb and olive. I'm about to swap over to Campy calipers on my build to save some weight, will run dual Ekar rear calipers front and rear.
The folks making this frame should make this clear-hell, tantan specs it as 140/140, which is impossible, and they ship built bikes 160/160.
Edit-dug around, yeah, ltwoo uses unique spacing on their caliper which won't work with sl8/x68. Need to source shimano/zrace or wheeltop caliper.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 07:02:30 AM by glepore »

daniiiCalf

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #706 on: April 24, 2025, 08:50:15 AM »
Below is a photo of my frame in size 58, weight 890g, chameleon white - you can see the effect in the close-up photo  :)

how tall are you? How high do you take the saddle?

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #707 on: April 24, 2025, 09:11:09 AM »

acino

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #708 on: April 24, 2025, 09:14:26 AM »
Law is black, white, and shades of grey. This looks like very dark shades of grey to me.

This is correct. For the sake of completeness, it is worth noting that this problem extends far beyond 1:1 copies of designs. If one were, for instance, to produce "funny" designs such as "Assworks", "Tractor" or similar, resembling the original style, this would constitute different shades of grey depending on the specific style and your jurisdiction.

Especially, if the aesthetics are so close to original brand’s that someone might confuse the two, even briefly, trade dress laws/copyright/design patents/registered designs are almost certainly infringed - stay careful out there people!
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 09:41:06 AM by acino »

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #709 on: April 24, 2025, 10:43:54 AM »
Hi Everyone,
Received my frame from Tan-Tan last week. Placed my order February 14th. 56CM in raw glossy carbon. 834g without skewers but with hanger and bolts. Ordered a separate cockpit from Aliexpress in 38cm/135mm. XM Carbon Speed 35mm wheels. I built it up with a mix of previous and current SRAM Red. Zero issues with the build. Bottom bracket and brake mounts were faced very nicely. Seatpost clamp is a little annoying if your saddle doesn't have a middle cutout. Final weight without cages and pedals is right at 6.7kg. Took it for a very light spin around the block and it feels amazing. I am a Cat 1 crit racer here in the US and my race bike is a Winspace T1550. This feels much smoother compared to the Winspace which is a super stiff full fledged race bike. I am excited to take it out for longer rides in the coming weeks.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #710 on: April 24, 2025, 11:19:53 AM »
Hi Everyone,
Received my frame from Tan-Tan last week. Placed my order February 14th. 56CM in raw glossy carbon. 834g without skewers but with hanger and bolts. Ordered a separate cockpit from Aliexpress in 38cm/135mm. XM Carbon Speed 35mm wheels. I built it up with a mix of previous and current SRAM Red. Zero issues with the build. Bottom bracket and brake mounts were faced very nicely. Seatpost clamp is a little annoying if your saddle doesn't have a middle cutout. Final weight without cages and pedals is right at 6.7kg. Took it for a very light spin around the block and it feels amazing. I am a Cat 1 crit racer here in the US and my race bike is a Winspace T1550. This feels much smoother compared to the Winspace which is a super stiff full fledged race bike. I am excited to take it out for longer rides in the coming weeks.


Ok so you have to wait around 60days!
Jeez and they are quoting 20-25 
So the BB is actually faced as well as the brake mounts?
Hmmmm looking at photos from user posts the BB shell does not appear to be faced

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #711 on: April 24, 2025, 12:02:44 PM »
Hi Everyone,
Received my frame from Tan-Tan last week. Placed my order February 14th. 56CM in raw glossy carbon. 834g without skewers but with hanger and bolts. Ordered a separate cockpit from Aliexpress in 38cm/135mm. XM Carbon Speed 35mm wheels. I built it up with a mix of previous and current SRAM Red. Zero issues with the build. Bottom bracket and brake mounts were faced very nicely. Seatpost clamp is a little annoying if your saddle doesn't have a middle cutout. Final weight without cages and pedals is right at 6.7kg. Took it for a very light spin around the block and it feels amazing. I am a Cat 1 crit racer here in the US and my race bike is a Winspace T1550. This feels much smoother compared to the Winspace which is a super stiff full fledged race bike. I am excited to take it out for longer rides in the coming weeks.

Dang. This is the exact type of X68 build I personally love to see in here as an SL8 owner. And would order. Top notch components, wheels, and both the frame and cockpit is my size too. Curious where on AliExpress you got the cockpit from.

So I've done 6 crit races this year thus far myself. Getting back into this area of cycling has been exhilarating, but far far away from being a Cat 1 though. Your opinion on the overall bike will be super valuable.

I'm actually on the verge of selling off both my Propel and SL8. Turns out my Tavelo Arow has been perfect for crits. But if the X68 turns out to be solid, even 8/10th of a genuine SL8, then it's something I'll stronger consider for a backup bike. Been chatting with TanTan about getting a  frame anyway. Truthfully though I'm pretty sure it would be tough to tell the X68 and SL8 apart with an indentical setup.

Thanks for sharing.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #712 on: April 24, 2025, 12:25:48 PM »
So a bit of a ride review after 4 or 5 25-35 mi rides. By way of background, I've been riding quality bikes for 35 years, and have had during that time high end steel, titanium and carbon bikes. Current stable, other than some vintage steel stuff, is a Serotta Ottrott and a custom ti bike. My most recent carbon bikes were a  Cento Air Willier, Supersix Evo (pre the aero change) and a custom Berk. I'm small, lightish and have am older with an ftp thats low but appropriate to age and weight.
The x68 is smooth, responsive and agile. It tracks well. We've had some big wind here the last month, and I can attest that combined with the wide carbonspeed wheels it is crosswind stable. It does get pushed a bit, but it doesn't snap in and out of yaw like I'm used to with less modern deep carbon wheels. Like an actual sl8, it likes you to get weight a bit forward on twisty high speed descents-its not twitchy but you do feel more secure if you shift weight forward a bit.
Combo of 30-32 (nominally 30, measured 32) Vittorias and the compliance of the bike make it ride very well for a carbon racebike. Does it feel plush? Not if your viewpoint is a ti or steel bike, for an agressive carbon bike its very nice. Over single bumps and cracks its very comfy. I did notice that over "broken" areas of pavement wit high frequency hits the bike does slightly betray its responsiveness and agility with a little rear end chatter, but nothing serious. The front end of the bike is not as plush as the rear, but it does, to me anyway, seem on a par with or even a little plusher than the bikes I've had with Enve carbon forks for example.

With brand new calipers pads and rotors I could generate a tiny bit of brake noise when climbing hard standing, but that seems to be going away a bit as everything settles in.

Leaving aside for a moment how close it is to an sl8, its a helluva deal for what tantan is charging. And if the actual sl8 is all that much better, it must be on another planet.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 06:50:46 PM by glepore »

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #713 on: April 24, 2025, 01:24:03 PM »
Dang. This is the exact type of X68 build I personally love to see in here as an SL8 owner. And would order. Top notch components, wheels, and both the frame and cockpit is my size too. Curious where on AliExpress you got the cockpit from.

So I've done 6 crit races this year thus far myself. Getting back into this area of cycling has been exhilarating, but far far away from being a Cat 1 though. Your opinion on the overall bike will be super valuable.

I'm actually on the verge of selling off both my Propel and SL8. Turns out my Tavelo Arow has been perfect for crits. But if the X68 turns out to be solid, even 8/10th of a genuine SL8, then it's something I'll stronger consider for a backup bike. Been chatting with TanTan about getting a  frame anyway. Truthfully though I'm pretty sure it would be tough to tell the X68 and SL8 apart with an indentical setup.

Thanks for sharing.

Here is the cockpit I ordered. No issues with it, super stiff and decently light.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806705683523.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.53.69d41802ewUKHH&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa


JImportante

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #715 on: April 25, 2025, 08:48:00 AM »
my frame is sent  ;D ;D so in my case lead time was 27 days

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #716 on: April 25, 2025, 09:30:59 AM »
By the time all the forum reviews start rolling in, and when you account for the 60-90 day turn around time, people will be ordering their frames in early June. And won't receive them till fall LoL

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #717 on: April 25, 2025, 09:58:12 AM »
Took mine out for a bit of a longer ride yesterday. Still blown away with the comfort and smoothness compared to my Winspace. I'll be using this bike in longer road races so I can follow up once I do a few of those. Otherwise I am superrrr happy with my purchase. For under $700 shipped to my door, it's hard to complain for a 7kg build. Only thing I am curious about is the derailleur hanger and the seat post. Are these the same as the original specialized ones?

Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #718 on: April 25, 2025, 10:11:06 AM »
FINALLY ... my frame is ready to ship.

But tantan did a mistake and painted a second frame which I ordered in UD matt also in my colorsheme.

In case someone from GERMANY is interested -> Size 52, painted as shown all incl. 685 Euros shipped incl. tax!


pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #719 on: April 25, 2025, 11:59:47 AM »
Took mine out for a bit of a longer ride yesterday. Still blown away with the comfort and smoothness compared to my Winspace. I'll be using this bike in longer road races so I can follow up once I do a few of those. Otherwise I am superrrr happy with my purchase. For under $700 shipped to my door, it's hard to complain for a 7kg build. Only thing I am curious about is the derailleur hanger and the seat post. Are these the same as the original specialized ones?

hi, but what is your saddle height? saddle/handlebar height difference? thanks