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makl

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1335 on: June 29, 2025, 02:29:04 PM »
9t cassettes are fine. It puts the 11t cog in a better chain line. The 9t cog is is best used for the downhill or for brief acceleration. If you use the 9t cog often, it probably means your front chainring is too small.

exactly!

Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1336 on: June 30, 2025, 01:28:09 AM »
Strange, what type of fork failed here before? :s

The failed one had also a bar code on it, so I assume that it was the light one.

kubackje

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1337 on: June 30, 2025, 07:09:08 AM »
9t cassettes are fine. It puts the 11t cog in a better chain line. The 9t cog is is best used for the downhill or for brief acceleration. If you use the 9t cog often, it probably means your front chainring is too small.

No it's not imo, because for this cassette you gotta use a small chainring in the front which sucks. Really don't see any point in using a cassette 9-42 vs something like 10/11-46 or bigger

Sebastian

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1338 on: June 30, 2025, 10:36:21 AM »
This cassette belongs to a gravel groupset. And for that it's very well suited IMO. I got it on my gravel bike. And I only really need the 9t cog on road descents with a 40t front chainring. Sometimes also on very fast gravel descents. Would I want to use it on a road bike? Not really. For me drivetrain efficiency matters on the road. You'd be riding a smallish front chainring and with road speeds, you'd probably be riding predominantly on rather small cogs in the back. I love this cassette on gravel, though.

sdicby87

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1339 on: July 01, 2025, 12:20:59 AM »
About to order a frame. I am torn between size 54 and 56. Coming from gravel bike to first road bike. 181cm, and 74cm from bottom bracket to top of saddle. Test drove SL8 at LBS, but it was rather short session swapping bikes and driving few hundred meters only.

54 felt nimble and agile, 56 felt bit long. However, both were equipped with non integrated stem 90mm and handlebar +6 degrees. Going integrated with -6 degrees would put me even more racy position. As setup is quite static with only 25mm spacers to play, and I feel being between sizes I would appreciate comments on how to choose correct sizing.

Secondly, I see nice colors being picked. Which colors are those with some metallic glare?
Asking Vivian, I received massive catalog of Pantone colors. But aren’t those pastel colors..? There is also 8 different chameleon colors which are more what I am looking for but a bit too bright. Ideally would like to have dark color with some sparkle but not too much.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1340 on: July 01, 2025, 02:58:30 AM »
About to order a frame. I am torn between size 54 and 56. Coming from gravel bike to first road bike. 181cm, and 74cm from bottom bracket to top of saddle. Test drove SL8 at LBS, but it was rather short session swapping bikes and driving few hundred meters only.

54 felt nimble and agile, 56 felt bit long. However, both were equipped with non integrated stem 90mm and handlebar +6 degrees. Going integrated with -6 degrees would put me even more racy position. As setup is quite static with only 25mm spacers to play, and I feel being between sizes I would appreciate comments on how to choose correct sizing.

Secondly, I see nice colours being picked. Which colours are those with some metallic glare?
Asking Vivian, I received massive catalogue of Pantone colours. But aren’t those pastel colours..? There is also 8 different chameleon colours which are more what I am looking for but a bit too bright. Ideally would like to have dark colour with some sparkle but not too much.

Thanks for sharing your situation! Choosing between a 54 and 56 when you’re 181 cm tall and transitioning from a gravel bike can definitely be tricky.

From what you describe, the 54 felt nimble and agile, while the 56 felt a bit long. Given both had a 90mm non-integrated stem and a +6° handlebar, switching to an integrated stem with -6° could indeed make your position more aggressive and stretched out. Since your setup has limited adjustment (only 25mm spacers), and you’re feeling in-between sizes, here are a few thoughts:

If you prefer a more responsive, agile ride and are comfortable with a slightly tighter fit, the 54 might suit you better.

If you want a bit more stability and stretch, and don’t mind a larger frame, the 56 could be the way to go.

Stem length adjustments or different handlebar angles can help fine-tune fit, but since your options are limited, try to decide based on your comfort and riding style.

Since you only had a short test ride, consider a longer demo if possible or seek advice from others with similar stats who have ridden both sizes.

Regarding colours — metallic glare usually comes from finishes that have fine metallic flakes in the paint. The Pantone catalogue can be overwhelming, and yes, many are pastel or flat colors. The chameleon colours you mentioned are vibrant but might be too bright for your taste.

For a dark color with subtle sparkle, you might want to look for finishes described as "metallic," "pearlescent," or “sparkle black” — these usually have a low-key shimmer without being too flashy. A few guys have bought the white frame in pearlescent and one with gold i believe which is subtle. I still like the transparent red colour as they call it where it is red over bare carbon.
https://www.seraphbikes.com/Special-Red-Paint-Superlight-Disc-Road-Bike-Frame-TT-X68-BSA-Bottom-Bracket-Max-Tire-70032C-With-Integrated-Handlebar-p6397145.html
I did want this in blue but my frame was to far gone in production so had to stick with the gloss over bare/raw carbon


Also, this is me: I often see the question in posts: “What frame size should I buy?” For reference, I’m 178 cm tall and ride a 54 cm frame. My saddle height—from the middle of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle—is 74 cm. I usually run a 110 mm stem, but I’ve just ordered another set of bars for my X68 with a 120 mm stem.

The 54 cm frame feels quite compact to me. I think I could probably get away with a 56 cm frame too, maybe paired with a 100 or 110 mm stem. But at 48 years old (lol), I’m still flexible enough to comfortably ride the 54. It’s always a tricky choice though!

Regarding the Tarmac SL8 for 181 cm, I’d say a 56 cm is generally the right size. It tends to offer a good balance of comfort and performance. Of course, your exact sizing might depend on your body proportions like inseam and torso length, and your preferred riding style. If you want a more aggressive and stretched-out position, 56 is solid; if you prefer something more compact, a 54 could work with some stem and handlebar adjustments.

What frame size do you normally ride? And do you know your inseam or saddle height? That info can help fine-tune the recommendation even more.

Hope this helps! Let me know if you want to discuss more.

Want me to tweak the tone or shorten it?


Bobinski

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1341 on: July 01, 2025, 04:31:07 AM »
About to order a frame. I am torn between size 54 and 56. Coming from gravel bike to first road bike. 181cm, and 74cm from bottom bracket to top of saddle. Test drove SL8 at LBS, but it was rather short session swapping bikes and driving few hundred meters only.

54 felt nimble and agile, 56 felt bit long. However, both were equipped with non integrated stem 90mm and handlebar +6 degrees. Going integrated with -6 degrees would put me even more racy position. As setup is quite static with only 25mm spacers to play, and I feel being between sizes I would appreciate comments on how to choose correct sizing.

Secondly, I see nice colors being picked. Which colors are those with some metallic glare?
Asking Vivian, I received massive catalog of Pantone colors. But aren’t those pastel colors..? There is also 8 different chameleon colors which are more what I am looking for but a bit too bright. Ideally would like to have dark color with some sparkle but not too much.

If you have not done so already why not get a bike fit and show your fitter the dimensions for each frame etc? See what they suggest based on your fit? Especially when buying blind. Many fitters will do this. It won’t be a lot of money when risk is you get the wrong sise frame.

Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1342 on: July 01, 2025, 04:49:51 AM »
I'm 1,85cm tall with 83cm inseam length and riding a 56 with 204mm reach (stem+handlebar).

Definetly by a 54!

erjens

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1343 on: July 01, 2025, 08:16:41 AM »
Looking at maybe purchasing a X68 frame also but I'm afraid the frame is simply too small for me.

Stack: 608 mm
Reach: 400 mm
Cranklenght current: 175 mm

saddle heidght: 883 middle bracket to top saddle

What do you guess think? Normally I would go for a 61 but as the X68 is only available in 58 and a 380mm seatpost I'm afraid it will be too small.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1344 on: July 01, 2025, 08:21:23 AM »
I was between a 49 and 52. My saddle height is 67.5 and the reach on the 49 was great with the 110 bar, the 52 would have worked with the 90 but had more stack. I went with the 49 as all of my life I've been on bikes that had little seatpost showing and often looked awkward and felt as if I wasn't getting full potential. My concern was that the 49 would be too low, as I'm 65 and had a previous cervical spine injury. But I'm completely happy with the 49. Yes, I'm running all of the spacers. But the drop is acceptable, and I feel "in" the bike rather than on it, and the handling is razor sharp with the weight distribution as it is.

I'd say with most bikes, but especially the sl8, I'd size down if between sizes, just use the geo chart to make sure your saddle/bar difference is within a range that seems workable.

gbrnole

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1345 on: July 01, 2025, 08:39:24 AM »
my feeling on SL8 sizing is that it should in almost all cases be sized with the use of at least a 100mm cockpit in mind and preferably a 110mm cockpit. the bike is just butter when the fit is right.

Dr J

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1346 on: July 01, 2025, 09:02:18 AM »
Looking at maybe purchasing a X68 frame also but I'm afraid the frame is simply too small for me.

Stack: 608 mm
Reach: 400 mm
Cranklenght current: 175 mm

saddle heidght: 883 middle bracket to top saddle

What do you guess think? Normally I would go for a 61 but as the X68 is only available in 58 and a 380mm seatpost I'm afraid it will be too small.

That will not work. You would have too much seatpost exposed (way beyond the minimum insert level).

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1347 on: July 01, 2025, 11:18:29 AM »
I am 181cm tall, internal leg height 93cm, I pedal with a saddle height of 82cm, I bought the 58, with 38 x 75mm handlebars (a gamble)

jonathanf2

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1348 on: July 01, 2025, 11:59:49 AM »
No it's not imo, because for this cassette you gotta use a small chainring in the front which sucks. Really don't see any point in using a cassette 9-42 vs something like 10/11-46 or bigger

This is why I use a 9-50t cassette. Problem solved.

pandinoyoung

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #1349 on: July 02, 2025, 02:05:05 AM »
yesterday i tried to insert the expander plug supplied with the frame and it got stuck inside the fork stem. i lost more than 1 hour to extract it, i had to cut it and from the inside and with pliers i barely managed to remove it. i ordered the expander plug from DEDA Elementi. has it happened to you too?