Author Topic: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?  (Read 10726 times)

tgarne

Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« on: November 01, 2024, 03:46:31 PM »
Am I beeing naive or is it possible to find a +/-60mm deep wheelset  below/around 1300gr with a modern width? Much like the Scope Artech


Takiyaki

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2024, 04:35:05 PM »
You are def gonna have to sacrifice on some things.

GoZone 60x26 carbon spoke might be worth a look. I got the 45x30 and they are nice. I think mine weighed in around the 1300g mark, maybe just under. And they measured about 31mm at the widest.

IMO weight is not as big of a deal with deep wheels....... I'm currently on dirt cheap Elite Wheels 66mms and despite them weighing like 1700g/pair the aero more than makes up for it. I absolutely fly even down quick rolling hill descents.

nis240sxt

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2024, 04:56:14 PM »
Am I beeing naive or is it possible to find a +/-60mm deep wheelset  below/around 1300gr with a modern width? Much like the Scope Artech

It's a reality and you don't have to spend a fortune like the Scope's. Just look at Wheelsfar.com for the Hypers 58 combo or farsports.com Evo series S6.

ejump0

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2024, 05:21:12 AM »
im in the boat to find good value wide wheelset too, to compliment my Parcours Chrono 77/86 1.7kg.
Im looking for ~23mm internal wide and 45-55 deep. any decent hub is ok, as i dont really care about ratchet noise type.

it can double as shallower wheelset on my Tri bike, or as a fatty wheel on my 2021 TCR as i plan to use it as bike-touring

volan

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2024, 01:47:05 PM »
Can recommend Peter from carbonspeed. So easy to talk to. I even changed my rims after the initial purchase (thanks to Serge trend guidelines:) ) Ordered 50depth/33wide wheels with in house hub, cx ray spokes and brass nipples (no alu nipples on my wheels, ever). Hubs are ratchet and I'm 100% sure theyre not gonna cause any issues, as I run 3 of those on my mtb's. Now just time game ;)

And yea, wheels are really cheap for what youre getting.

Gloopann

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2024, 02:55:43 PM »
Can recommend Peter from carbonspeed. So easy to talk to. I even changed my rims after the initial purchase (thanks to Serge trend guidelines:) ) Ordered 50depth/33wide wheels with in house hub, cx ray spokes and brass nipples (no alu nipples on my wheels, ever). Hubs are ratchet and I'm 100% sure theyre not gonna cause any issues, as I run 3 of those on my mtb's. Now just time game ;)

And yea, wheels are really cheap for what youre getting.

I am still in the process of figuring out what I want to buy from where, may I know what was a rough price of your wheelset? Just so I have a point of reference for comparison sake.

Icyseanfitz

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2024, 03:03:31 PM »
I'm after getting a set of Peter's D50CU-28 built up with their own hubs and carbon spokes, Peter has told me the wheels will be around 1300g and they cost me 555 with shipping and additional 125 (but I bought a frame from him as well)

srf0638

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2024, 05:00:12 PM »
How rough are you guys on your deep Chinese carbon wheels? I'm interested, but I weigh 85-90kg and my local roads have a fair number of potholes.

Gloopann

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2024, 05:50:59 PM »
I'm after getting a set of Peter's D50CU-28 built up with their own hubs and carbon spokes, Peter has told me the wheels will be around 1300g and they cost me 555 with shipping and additional 125 (but I bought a frame from him as well)

That seems like an absolute killer deal, damn. What is the additional 125 for?

Takiyaki

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2024, 06:23:06 PM »
How rough are you guys on your deep Chinese carbon wheels? I'm interested, but I weigh 85-90kg and my local roads have a fair number of potholes.
Im on 60mm deep Elitewheels and 28mm GP5Ks at about your weight and the setup rides OK. I am on an older rim brake frame with a round seatpost though. Everything contributes. I'm switching to 45x30 with 28c tires soon.

srf0638

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2024, 01:10:03 PM »
Buy T800 from a reputable seller, put nice spokes, if you want extra longevity get brass nipples, and you'll be fine.
Trust me, I'm a stranger on the internet.
Thanks. Out of curiosity, is there one you would recommend? I've been looking at Yuanan, CSC, and Elitewheels, and they all seem to use alu nipples and either T700 or their own ("uni") carbon fiber.

srf0638

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2024, 03:50:47 PM »
Not sure what CSC is. Farsports, Xiamen carbon speed (Peter on the forum), Yuanan, Elite all have good reputation. Yuanan is the OEM for elite.
They can all do brass nipples if you ask (not elite because it's a sausage factory there and most of their rims are narrow by latest standards anyway).
Definitely ask for T800. Peter started using T1000. T700 is heavier, less stiff, and cheaper. Rotating mass doesnt matter at speed, but it matters when you accelerate, and snappy wheels feel nicer. It's a small price hike well worth it. We're all talking OEM pricing so over 2-3y (if not more) it's really not much. And resale value will be higher too.
Light bicycle also has great reputation (usually a bit more expensive) https://www.lightbicycle.com/. Lots of boutique shops in the west use these rims.
 
Honestly look for the spec you want and order from any of these. It's commoditized. Choose your spec, then based on who's treating you well & price, order.

Thanks. I googled up a shop called "Carbon Speed Cycle" based on references to "carbon speed" ITT, but it looks like you guys meant Xiamen Carbon Speed instead. Super helpful post overall, I'll get some quotes.

Icyseanfitz

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2024, 05:18:58 PM »
Can't recommend Peter from xmcarbonspeed enough

zippyzoom

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2024, 04:25:38 PM »
What's the consensus on the best deal for wheels on 11.11?

Sakizashi

Re: Deep wheels below 1300gr without breaking the bank?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2024, 05:16:00 PM »
This is something I have been looking at lot at. In terms of specs needed to get there:
  • Rims: under 450g at 60mm+ depth
  • Hubs and spokes option 1: 20H Hworks hubs + carbon spokes
  • Hubs and spokes option 2: Sub 240g 6bolt or 220g CL + Alpina Hyperlight Aero, Sapim C-Xray Super

Here are the rim options I have found
  • Nextie Wave CRX 6560 wave / Elavo Carbon Store (Aliexpress): 430g, $170USD (11.11)
  • Easdon Fat Gravel 60mm: 450g (aliexpress), $142USD (11.11)

Here are the metal spoke based hub options:
  • THR Industries R3 6 bolt: ~240g: ~$450-$500 USD
  • NonPlus Gravel 6bolt: ~240g: $700+USD
  • THR Industries RX CL: ~200g: not fully sure, expect $900-$1k USD
  • NonPlus Road CL: ~200g: >$900USD

For complete wheel sets, which is where I am leaning after looking at these costs—these aren’t quite right on point but are pretty close.

  • 0011/THRIndustries: If you want a 60+mm IMO, there is both a 66mm R3 Super Light (1320-1330g with the t1100 rims and Sapim CXRay Super—still looking into cost) and one made with the RX hubs at 1275g but these are ~$2000USD. The rims are 23mm hooked internal, 31mm external at the widest part. No idea on the hooks, but these seem really close to the Scope Artech. 6.
  • XM Carbon Speed D50CU-33 with the 20H carbon spokes: <1200g and 26mm IW
  • Fitlite AR68 w/Hworks hub and carbon spokes: 68mm deep, 34mm widest pt, 22mm IW and 28mm EW at the hooks, 1370g: $1200 and with 11.11 coupons and discounts this should drop down to just over $1K

At the speeds I can hit on the flats and give my light weight, I would likely run 28mm GP5000 TT TR tires on 66mm 0011 or a mix of the 29mm Aero111 and 30mm S TR on the XM carbon speeds. I would expect the 0011 to be a bit faster but these choices are pretty close. Because the TT TR tires are lighter and 6 bolt rotors marginally lighter, I would expect 0011 R3 system weight to be within 20-30g of the RX and the XM carbon speed wheels.
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