Author Topic: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?  (Read 15743 times)

courdacier

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2025, 01:46:34 PM »
I'm glad I picked up an upgraded carbon gravel and road frame during the 11.11/BF sale. Good luck finding affordable carbon framesets now. Wear items like chains, cassettes and tires I use non-Chinese components so that should be fine. Wheeltop and LTwoo electronic groupsets won't be as lucrative from a cost perspective. SRAM will be the big winner in this.  ::)

or possibly microshift sword black since it's closest to the budget ltwoo/sensah parts that doubled in price for US.

00Garza

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2025, 01:58:15 PM »
Amazon is 50% or more AliEx/AliBaba stuff. I wonder how it affects them or other small sellers running Etsy, eBay and other private shop fronts.

I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2025, 02:08:53 PM »
or possibly microshift sword black since it's closest to the budget ltwoo/sensah parts that doubled in price for US.

Shimano CUEs Essa was recently announced with drop bar shifters. That will be probably be the best budget option apart from LTwoo/Sensah. Microshift seems stuck on 10 speed. At least Shimano gives you compatibility across the cassette speed range.

Now I feel my LTwoo electronic groupsets are lone unicorns. Last night I ordered some extra 14500 batteries as well. Those are probably going to shoot up in price.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2025, 02:14:34 PM »
I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.

It'll also hurt small domestic bike brands like State Bicycles and Poseidon. Even if their products are made in China, they do offer domestic support and in some cases lifetime frame warranties (with Poseidon). Businesses like Bikes Online sell Polygon bikes which I believe are made in Indonesia, so they might be in a better position.

Tijoe

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2025, 02:25:32 PM »
We, who shop on Aliexpress have to remember that a small percentage of the consumer population in the United States actually use Aliexpress.  For several years, I hadn't even heard of or read about the $800 de minimis streamlined custom process.   20+ years ago, when I owned a small bicycle business, I looked into purchasing bike parts directly from abroad.  Even back then, by the time I added up the duties, tariffs and fees for the volume of parts I wanted to import, it  ended up being more expensive than purchasing from my distributors/dealers.   
Aliexpress is/was the best thing that happened to the individual consumer, but this is being taken away from us.  The USA loves our Capitalistic system where a lot of people get a cut of items you purchase as they are passed though one hand to another.  None of these extra steps is a value add to the consumer, but we have to pay this anyways.

One of the things that has changed the whole profit system for small businesses in the domestic cost of shipping.   Used to be you would pay around 6% to 10% of the value of the items you purchased.  These days, shipping costs are sometimes 60% to 100% and more of the value of the item you want to ship!  Shipping has become a monopoly for UPS and Fedex.   

Many stores do not even hold any inventory these days.  Almost everything is dropped shipped from a warehouse directly to you or the store when you order online.   The online store gets a cut, the shippers get a cut, the warehouse gets the biggest cut, and warehouses are usually owned by a large corporation, so the profit rolls upward.

I know perhaps 1 in 50 friends that regularly used Aliexpress.  A lot of us on Chinertown are a different type of consumer.  How many people do you know that build their one bicycle?   How many cyclists have more that 2 bicycles?  In general, our government could care less about a bunch of cyclists wanting a good price on bike parts.  But the large corporations want to ring out every penny they can from us, and they are the ones setting the rules.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2025, 02:27:31 PM by Tijoe »

coffeebreak

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2025, 02:26:58 PM »
I imagine this is going to crush small vendors that bulk buy from china. Or at least drastically reduce their margins. I just bought a customized valentine gift for wife...and naturally then looked if I could find it on Ali. Sure enough, it was a quarter of the price for the same exact thing with same exact customization options. Profit on that one item will be cut almost in half or more depending on how this whole tariff mess settles.

Was it Etsy? That platform has been ruined by sellers reselling stuff off of Ali.

I know perhaps 1 in 50 friends that regularly used Aliexpress.  A lot of us on Chinertown are a different type of consumer.  How many people do you know that build their one bicycle?   How many cyclists have more that 2 bicycles?  In general, our government could care less about a bunch of cyclists wanting a good price on bike parts.  But the large corporations want to ring out every penny they can from us, and they are the ones setting the rules.

Not a single person I know builds bikes with parts from AliExpress. Most of the people scoff at the idea of buying stuff from Chine and engage into tired old tropes like "Hope you have good dental insurance". This small population on this forum is going to suffer and there is nothing we can do. We have been sold and will be crushed in this non sensical trade war brought upon by one extremely vindictive person and his friends/lackeys and spineless congress.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2025, 02:33:35 PM by coffeebreak »

00Garza

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2025, 03:44:44 PM »
Was it Etsy? That platform has been ruined by sellers reselling stuff off of Ali.

No. But I just checked and it can be found there as well.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2025, 11:09:21 AM »
Looks like people are getting whacked with charges as of today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/

It was fun hanging out here while it lasted. Thank goodness this current administration closed the loophole for the working class and small businesses to buy affordable goods. It was getting out of hand since that minuscule percentage of profits belong to the billionaires of this country. ::)

coffeebreak

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2025, 11:20:48 AM »
Looks like people are getting whacked with charges as of today:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aliexpress/comments/1ij3r0f/aaaagghh_getting_whacked/

It was fun hanging out here while it lasted. Thank goodness this current administration closed the loophole for the working class and small businesses to buy affordable goods. It was getting out of hand since that minuscule percentage of profits belong to the billionaires of this country. ::)

Wanted to get some idea how much are the duties and HOLY MOLY

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Not Ali but all the same ... being charged by UPS 170 on a 225 package. This is insane.
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Just got charged 130 bucks by UPS on a AE package that shipped from China a week ago. This shit is unreal

Thanks orange baffoon.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2025, 12:26:02 PM »
Wanted to get some idea how much are the duties and HOLY MOLY

Thanks orange baffoon.

I bet most Americans would be alright paying a reasonable federal + state tax (already included), but charging $170 tariff fees on a $225 package is just a big f**k you.

Not looking forward to seeing what I'll get charged on my $4 saddle bag and $13 carbon stem sitting in customs right now. My items shipped via Cainiao. I wonder if AliEx already has an online pay system implemented yet? If it gets released this week, I'll keep everyone posted. At this point any big purchases are done for.

coffeebreak

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2025, 12:35:17 PM »
I bet most Americans would be alright paying a reasonable federal + state tax (already included), but charging $170 tariff fees on a $225 package is just a big f**k you.

Not looking forward to seeing what I'll get charged on my $4 saddle bag and $13 carbon stem sitting in customs right now. My items shipped via Cainiao. I wonder if AliEx already has an online pay system implemented yet? If it gets released this week, I'll keep everyone posted. At this point any big purchases are done for.

I have a CPU coming in that was ordered before any EO was signed. Its currently near my area but not with the final delivery center. I wonder what will happen to that. It looks like $32 is the minimum + any other duties but instructions are unclear as this has turned into a wild west.

I also have around $300 of bike parts that were shipped out just yesterday so I guess I will find out soon. I have no hopes. This might be my last purchase until the sellers on AliEx find a way out of the $800 min or the baffoon rethinks this mess with tariffs.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2025, 12:46:00 PM »
Now that my AliEx gear is the high tariff category, today all my bikes appear much more premium!  ;D


amacal1

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2025, 01:07:22 PM »
Literally last night I realized I misplaced my favorite cheap (Xoss) bike light. Realized that I have a couple of more things like that only costing a couple of bucks that I'd actually be bummed if I lose or if they break. I went on one last little shopping spree late last night, buying a few duplicates of super cheap things I have that have actually become favorites. Hopefully I'll receive them.

coffeebreak

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2025, 02:23:19 PM »
You will receive them but uncle Sam will wring your arms until you cough up dough for it.

jonathanf2

Re: Any thoughts on probability of 20% USA tariffs on purchases next year?
« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2025, 03:02:53 PM »
I'd hit up Amazon for small parts. I just ordered some cheap hydraulic hoses, barbs+olives and disc brake pads. Once domestic supply dries up, restock orders will be tariff'ed up the a**.