Author Topic: Best aero or budget frame  (Read 692 times)

Chriasp

Best aero or budget frame
« on: February 13, 2025, 09:28:10 AM »
Hi everyone,

I am trying to navigate in a jungle of frames and as a newbie within the cycling world and the Chinese market it’s getting overwhelming.

I am on the lookout for an aero frame first and foremost and have been chiming in on the Factor Ostro Vam thread that has been going. But 60 day delivery from a unknown seller has me a bit skeptical.

I do love the Factor frame and some of it paint jobs. I am also been looking at a Hygge frame.

So I am looking for help to point me in the right direction for an awesome aero frame or even just and awesome overall frame.

My key points for choosing a frame is the following:
- Budget between 400-1000 USD including DPD shipping
- Aero frame
- From a semi reputable seller
- As high quality as I possible could get for the money.

I have already gotten a sweet deal with Peter on a wheelset - D50CU-28 T1100 and D58CU-28 rear wheel with carbon spokes and ceramic bearing for 830 USD included DPD shipping.

And it will be paired with a Ultegra Di2 with a 4iiii power meter krank.

Thanks in advance for the possible help!  ;D



Nkearb

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2025, 10:27:56 AM »
I would not put Ultegra Di2 on the hyyge


hygge requires duraace minimum.

brnrth

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2025, 11:30:56 AM »
The Spcycle R065 has received good reviews here in the forum and looks very similar to the Canyon Aeroad. Without handlebar the frame costs 458$. Here is the thread:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4769.0.html

toxin

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2025, 01:10:50 PM »
you need to decide if you want an aero frame or an 'aero' frame. Because despite what they may be branded as, most low cost chinese aero frames may look vaguely like an aero frame when they are anything but. Same as when they brand a 950g frame as 'lightweight'

Chriasp

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2025, 01:17:56 PM »
you need to decide if you want an aero frame or an 'aero' frame. Because despite what they may be branded as, most low cost chinese aero frames may look vaguely like an aero frame when they are anything but. Same as when they brand a 950g frame as 'lightweight'

So it won’t be possible to get a real Aeroframe for that budget? Would a allrounder like SL8 maybe be a better bet then?

toxin

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2025, 06:48:47 PM »
Don't need to go there just yet. Again, depends on how aero you want. Looking for something in the ballpark of WT aero bikes? Forget it, the best you can do is a good counterfeit. Something a bit worse than a Tarmac (keep in mind the sl8 frame isn't exceptionally aero, the rest of the componets do a lot of work for it to test so well)? That's doable. These bikes don't have any aero develoemt done on them, so oot's mostly a matter of who stumbled into the right designs while taking inspiration from the big brands.

The easiest way to start getting an idea if a bike will be any decent is to look at these things:

1. Frontal area - at the speeds a bike travels, just having as little surface impacting the wind is the easiest way to reduce drag. So look for bikes with narrow tubes.

The front of the bike is the most important, so look for headtubes that get thinner in the middle - like an hourglass. This one is somewhat common, just because it's easy to understand and spot as something to copy.

Having as little fork crown showing under the headtube as possible. This one doesn't draw the attention so it's rarer to see it copied.

Example of both done well in 1st pic. The 2nd failed in the 2nd pic

2. Tube shapes - to keep it simple, you want pointy leading edges and smooth lines. Colnago y1rs is a prominent example, 3rd pic. Most won't be nearly as sharp as this, so just look for leading edges that aren't flat.

Also avoid sharp kinks like on the downtube, headtube and fork in pic 4. That's just no good.

3. Deep bottom bracket area. It's just faster. Example that's furter exaggerated by the bottle integration in pic 6

Then there are lots of small things that make small contibutions, but that's too complex to explain like this.

One thing I will add is downtube hugging the tyre. Unfortunately Hambini in his lazyness and cluelessness has convinced many to think that the downtube being closer to the front tyre is a universally good thing. It is in fact not. It's very easy to fuck up and make it worse. Scott have actually done real research on this. Their conclusion in last pic.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2025, 07:14:50 PM by toxin »

Serge_K

Re: Best aero or budget frame
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2025, 11:12:21 PM »
My long teng 268 is cheap, reliable and fast. I've posted lots of pictures over time on the forum and explained my build in various posts. In modern standards it's 200g heavier than it could be, but I've ridden it enough now that I trust it completely.
And its shape is quite similar to a factor, which is why I made a tractor decal.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.