Author Topic: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset  (Read 171014 times)

Sakizashi

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2025, 09:50:07 PM »
There are several advantages to internal routing, additional design flexibility with asymmetric designs, etc, which makes T47 attractive. I think the benefits created by having a larger tube are mainly limited to the construction of metal frames and lugged carbon, which is where the T47 originated. It's just a threaded version of PF30.

IME, the bearing size stuff is marginal to the point of being nonsense if the bearing is well sealed. Most people in shops seem to believe that SRAM-branded dub BBs have great longevity, and those that use tiny bearings. Those opposed either claim that they are wearing through a lot of BBs, regardless of size (i.e., something is wrong with the bike or the installer), or are just discussing theory. Long-winded way of saying that the BB standard used wouldn't prevent me from buying a frame.

That said, if you made me king for a day, I would decree that all bikes use T47 or some variant thereof to get us down to 2 types of cups, 1 standard bearing size, and a bunch of reducers. I am not really opposed to BSA either, but realistically, the weight difference is marginal. It's around 20g in a carbon frame, including the BB, and about 50g on a Ti frame.

This XMcarbonspeed frame looks excellent IMO. Geo isn't my cup of tea; nevertheless, I'm looking forward to seeing it built up.
« Last Edit: May 28, 2025, 09:51:58 PM by Sakizashi »

Daviddavieboy

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2025, 04:32:50 AM »
Bigger bearings = Long lasting.

 Yet on 2 bikes with less than 1000 kms on either I had to replace both T47 SRAM DUB BBs both for chewing up bearings. To be fair one was on a gravel bike (internal bearing) that not treated very nicely. The road bike (external bearing) developed a rough spot that did go away when washing out the NDS bearing - I still changed it out though. Moral of story - buy quality bearings if T47 is a MUST. FWIW
I have a hope until someone can prove otherwise.

Da11as

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2025, 04:10:25 AM »
Yet on 2 bikes with less than 1000 kms on either I had to replace both T47 SRAM DUB BBs both for chewing up bearings. To be fair one was on a gravel bike (internal bearing) that not treated very nicely. The road bike (external bearing) developed a rough spot that did go away when washing out the NDS bearing - I still changed it out though. Moral of story - buy quality bearings if T47 is a MUST. FWIW
As I mentioned in CS-R01 thread, avoid SRAM BBs entirely. Since they introduced DUB standard all bearings are exactly same tiny bearings regardless of BB shell. They wear out super quickly if you ride anything that is always dry and not dusty. Consider them only if you are not particularly strong or heavy rider, as they start to deform at power output of ~250W.

In general, I recommend NOT to use DUB/30MM axle in anything smaller than BB30 BB shell
« Last Edit: May 31, 2025, 04:19:53 AM by Da11as »

Daviddavieboy

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2025, 05:21:56 AM »
  They wear out super quickly if you ride anything that is always dry and not dusty.

  Consider them only if you are not particularly strong or heavy rider, as they start to deform at power output of ~250W.

  In general, I recommend NOT to use DUB/30MM axle in anything smaller than BB30 BB shell

 "They wear out super quickly if you ride anything that is always dry and not dusty." - I had the opposite experience, in the wet they wore out faster.

 "In general, I recommend NOT to use DUB/30MM axle in anything smaller than BB30 BB shell" - I would even argue that DUB should be avoided altogether unless a person plans on using top quality bearings.

 "Consider them only if you are not particularly strong or heavy rider, as they start to deform at power output of ~250W." - From personal experience I def agree with this. I had a SuperSix from 2014-2018 (BB30 using a Shimano DA crank) that went through MANY sets of bearings until I installed a Praxis BB and now the same experience with two T47. Even still, at 1100W sprint I can hear and feel a creak and 2 days ago a 60 mile zone 2 gravel ride it was dead silent the whole time.


I have a hope until someone can prove otherwise.

Da11as

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2025, 06:06:34 AM »
"They wear out super quickly if you ride anything that is always dry and not dusty." - I had the opposite experience, in the wet they wore out faster.
Oh well, I meant "unless you ride...". Should have checked what I wrote ::)

rsw42

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2025, 10:38:24 AM »
So here are some pictures of the head tube... I'm really not good on taking these pictures - any advice how to take them will be welcome

rsw42

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2025, 10:41:55 AM »
BB Area...

And a little update on the build... will be coated with cerakote and gun candy chameleon effect thingy... but will take some weeks...

Groupset: GRX 1x11

Daviddavieboy

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2025, 03:32:39 PM »
BB Area...

And a little update on the build... will be coated with cerakote and gun candy chameleon effect thingy... but will take some weeks...

Groupset: GRX 1x11

 I wish they still made the exterior in a 'weave' Everyone seems to be making their frames UD carbon. Probably saves weight I suppose.
I have a hope until someone can prove otherwise.

voidptr

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2025, 07:58:51 AM »
Can you please post a picture from the front, @rsw42 ? I would like to see the head tube silhouette / frontal area.

rsw42

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2025, 08:03:28 AM »
Will do, might take some days...
Is there anything else you would like to see, when I'll unpack it again?

Hopefully it will get its costing next week... Would like to finish it within the next three weeks...

PANW

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2025, 07:25:36 AM »
Can you please post a picture from the front, @rsw42 ? I would like to see the head tube silhouette / frontal area.

Peter sent me this yesterday when I asked him.
I really like the look of it.

voidptr

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2025, 08:18:30 AM »
I was hoping to see a nice hour-glass shape. That pretty much sealed the deal for me. Thank you!
I'm actually not looking for endurance geometry, but the the frame has a rather large wheelbase and therefore I should be able to size down and run a 130mm slammed stem and it should ride stable enough (not too front heavy).
Only worried about sitting too far backwards because of the slack STA, and maybe toe overlap (FC is rather short despite long WB).

Is the seatpost size proprietary?

Tines

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2025, 11:41:36 PM »
The left side all the way at the top looks a bit sketchy.

PANW

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2025, 03:27:08 AM »
The left side all the way at the top looks a bit sketchy.

I’m far from an expert but I think this is a completely unfinished frame, so it’s going to look a little rough compared to a ready to purchase frame.

Pistonbroke

Re: XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2025, 01:48:20 AM »
Hi guys
Can someone post the geometry details for this please... Had a quick look around but couldn't find it
Cheers!