XM Carbon Speed - "Gran Tourismo" Frameset

[kubackje]

Thank you guys, yes, it's kind of headache, different people wants different colors paint even different colors deccals, we don't want to offer too many options just because we don't want to make it too complicated / confused for paint studio. We will consider to add black color decals as well. And actually the logos font was offered by an EU customer It seems not all westerns like same stuff.

Don't talk to a western customer but to a western designer. People who are not designers usually make horrible choices when they have a chance to design anything, there are multiple examples of absolutely horrific custom paint jobs on this forum alone 😁😁😁

[PeterXu]

Don't talk to a western customer but to a western designer. People who are not designers usually make horrible choices when they have a chance to design anything, there are multiple examples of absolutely horrific custom paint jobs on this forum alone 😁😁😁

Obviously we don't have any professional western designer then

[patliean1]

Branding/decals are important for potential customers who are apprehensive of Far East products.

I am in constant communication with basically every single race organization here in Chicago. From the amateurs, masters, to the elites who race in Europe. You see won't any of these see folks racing their bikes with Chinese consumables unless they have already seen these products being used within the peloton beforehand. Or from influencers like myself who actually race too. Somebody has to be the first in order to validate the performance. Or at least confirm said products aren't a death trap.

Sure Winspace, Tavelo, QuickPro, and No.6 Wheels are subjectively expensive to forum members here. But they are proven products at the competitive level. No one ever asks me about my unbranded frames or wheels. Why would they? But they sure as heck ask me about my bike when there is a humongous holographic "POLYGON" decal along the downtube.

That being said...there should be great care into developing the decals. No generic fonts and no "Ch-english" naming conventions either. To me the decal and font design is more important the intangible branding itself. But I'm no professional designer.

[Tines]

I also think that building a brand name is desirable and understandable.

Evolve might be a good example where they have a good idea but the slogan is just off putting to so many western costumers.

You won’t get it right for every customer. Scott’s newest branding wasn’t well by all either.

[Bobinski]

I appreciate the need to build a brand.  I genuinely think a rainbow/ mirror finish option compliments many frame colours and with the right typography has the potential to advertise the brand successfully.
I appreciate the attached example below would look better of it said Tractor

I love everything about this frame colour- beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Rebel_Yell]

I appreciate the need to build a brand.  I genuinely think a rainbow/ mirror finish option compliments many frame colours and with the right typography has the potential to advertise the brand successfully.
I appreciate the attached example below would look better of it said Tractor

I love everything about this frame colour- beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I truly believe if Peter could get a font that is somewhat different and just do it in Black, White and Chrome or mirror finish would work on just about any color bike. They could choose one of those 3-4 options.  JMO.  Just need a font or modified font to get this rolling.

[klrdd]

That being said...there should be great care into developing the decals. No generic fonts and no "Ch-english" naming conventions either. To me the decal and font design is more important the intangible branding itself. But I'm no professional designer.

See, this is the problem I see with the current design. "XMCS" is awesome -- "REVENGER" is not. It is worth consulting with a native English speaker, ideally someone with a background in brand consulting or ad copy or at least some sort of comms/editorial capacity to establish or verify at least that the language use is sensible and projects the intended vibe/ethos. REVENGER really puts me off what I find to be an attractive bike, whereas XMCS, especially with the growing praise and commendation for Xiamen Carbon Speed, is cool.

Revenger isn't a word; "Venge" works in part because it is using just a sort of internal morpheme or syllable of "Avenger" or "Revenge." What's more, "Revenger" comes off as a rip of "Venge," not an homage, whereas the frame itself is original and interesting in its own right.

[PANW]

This is exactly how I feel

[patliean1]

I truly believe if Peter could get a font that is somewhat different and just do it in Black, White and Chrome or mirror finish would work on just about any color bike. They could choose one of those 3-4 options.  JMO.  Just need a font or modified font to get this rolling.

I agree. Chrome/Holographic/Mirror downtube decal would be my first choice. It goes with everything.

See, this is the problem I see with the current design. "XMCS" is awesome -- "REVENGER" is not.
"Venge" works in part because it is using just a sort of internal morpheme or syllable of "Avenger" or "Revenge."

I also agree with this. A bit of brand consulting will go a long way. I'm excited for Peter's roadmap going into 2026. With just the right branding and scaling to deal with Western folks in a wider scope, XMCS will easily fill the void that was once occupied by Winspace and Yoeleo 3-4 years ago. And I'd argue Peter will provide a better experience.

[Rebel_Yell]

I agree. Chrome/Holographic/Mirror downtube decal would be my first choice. It goes with everything.

I also agree with this. A bit of brand consulting will go a long way. I'm excited for Peter's roadmap going into 2026. With just the right branding and scaling to deal with Western folks in a wider scope, XMCS will easily fill the void that was once occupied by Winspace and Yoeleo 3-4 years ago. And I'd argue Peter will provide a better experience.

Agree with all you said.  I think most here want Peter and XMCS to succeed and do well!!

[gribs]

I really like the small wheel logos but wouldn't want the large ones but I appreciate some people do. It's shame "Gran Tourismo" has already been used for a bike as from a western perspective it describes exactly this bikes intended use and is a much better name than Revenger. The main downtube logos to my view would look better with less spacing between the letters.

[kubackje]

Obviously we don't have any professional western designer then

Obviously you don't. I gave you few good advices but if you wanna play stupid that's your choice.good luck with the brand.

[bsharp77]

It doesn’t need much tweaking to make the logo look good.
Still not sure on the revenger bit, but the main logo looks good when bolder and closer together.

[Dewa6975]

Here are more photos of the frame !

[Tines]

Also the size and GT indicator is just way too prominent