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Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2025, 06:10:27 PM »
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acino

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2025, 05:27:51 AM »
The value proposition is just not there for me. You are a guy on the internet without any authority. Your alleged insider contact is just that - alleged insider with zero credibility.

My impression is that fulfilling all the aims that you suggested is way above the price point in your original post. You may get a CT scan for $200, but who will do the data analysis? Do you have a background in material science? Can you even use CT to determine fibre type/brand (I kinda doubt that)?

For me, the quality/composition of a single frame is not a question. But how consistent is the manufacturing/quality process? And you need many more frames to figure that out.
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Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2025, 06:14:58 AM »
The value proposition is just not there for me. You are a guy on the internet without any authority. Your alleged insider contact is just that - alleged insider with zero credibility.

My impression is that fulfilling all the aims that you suggested is way above the price point in your original post. You may get a CT scan for $200, but who will do the data analysis? Do you have a background in material science? Can you even use CT to determine fibre type/brand (I kinda doubt that)?

For me, the quality/composition of a single frame is not a question. But how consistent is the manufacturing/quality process? And you need many more frames to figure that out.

Fair points — and I actually agree with some of what you’re saying.

You're right: I’m just a guy on the internet. I have no official authority, no industry titles, and I’m not claiming to be a carbon expert or materials engineer. That’s exactly why I’m not trying to do this myself. The plan is to pay professionals to handle the scanning and, if possible, assist with the interpretation. I’m not going to sit there with raw CT files pretending I understand them.

As for the alleged “insider,” I get the skepticism. I was careful to frame that whole post as anecdotal — not gospel. That’s also why I want to move away from hearsay and toward objective data. I’m not asking anyone to take my word for anything.

To your point about consistency: you're 100% right. The bigger question isn't just “is this one frame good?” but “how often are they all good?” And yes, to answer that properly, you'd need a much broader sample size than just one or two frames. But my view is: you have to start somewhere.

That’s why I’m planning to scan two frames — one known replica (e.g. X68) and one genuine SL8. Not to draw universal conclusions from a sample of two, but to at least create a baseline for comparison. And to share that openly for the benefit of others in the same position I’m in: curious, cautious, and trying to make informed decisions without access to factory floors.

Can CT determine fibre grade or brand? Probably not directly — and I’m not claiming it can. But it can help with wall thickness, internal voids, bonding quality, layup irregularities, and general build consistency. That’s already more insight than what’s currently floating around in Telegram chats or Reddit anecdotes.

This isn’t about proving a point or building credibility. It’s about putting some verifiable information out into a space that’s flooded with marketing fluff and guesswork. If someone else wants to do it better, I’d gladly step aside and support that too.

But short of dismissing the idea — what’s the alternative? Wait for manufacturers to volunteer CAD files and QC data? Trust sellers who won't even share a photo of the inside of a downtube? If people don’t want to rely on blind faith, then someone has to take the first step.

At the end of the day, I’m doing this for the good of the community. Not to sell anything. Not to boost my ego. Just to help shine a light where there’s currently a lot of shadow.

And as for credibility — like anyone else, it has to be earned. But where do credible people usually start? From zero. Just like this.

Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2025, 06:20:51 AM »
People are already buying these frames — that’s just the reality. Maybe something like this will at least better indicate what it is we’re actually buying from these unregulated sources.

If the results are bad, it might make people think twice. If I could test 50 frames of each kind, I absolutely would — and if I had the funds, I’d cover it myself without hesitation. But this is a starting point. Not a full conclusion.

And if it turns out the replica frame is genuinely well made? Well, that says something too — about how far the quality has come. But it also raises a tough question: are we then giving an unintentional thumbs-up to counterfeits? There’s a moral dilemma there, and I don’t take it lightly.

It’s easy for people to shoot me down with words — I get that. But the truth is, no one else is really putting themselves out there to do this. And let’s be honest: it’s not a topic any respectable YouTuber or cycling media outlet is likely to touch.

I just believe people deserve clearer information to make their own decisions — not sales pitches and vague promises. That’s what this is really about.

Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2025, 03:53:57 PM »
Update
Thanks so much to everyone who’s contributed so far — I’ve already booked my flight to the Cayman Islands! 😄😄

This afternoon, I emailed Carbon Cycle Solutions in Bedford regarding a frame inspection. Once they get back to me with details on what their inspection includes, I’ll post an update here.

Also, someone I know who has ordered an X68 has kindly offered their frame for inspection once it’s delivered — much appreciated! I’ve asked Carbon Cycle Solutions whether they’re able to carry out the inspection on a fully built bike as well. Will share more once I hear back.

MarcFaFo

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2026, 01:26:13 PM »
Update
Thanks so much to everyone who’s contributed so far — I’ve already booked my flight to the Cayman Islands! 😄😄

This afternoon, I emailed Carbon Cycle Solutions in Bedford regarding a frame inspection. Once they get back to me with details on what their inspection includes, I’ll post an update here.

Also, someone I know who has ordered an X68 has kindly offered their frame for inspection once it’s delivered — much appreciated! I’ve asked Carbon Cycle Solutions whether they’re able to carry out the inspection on a fully built bike as well. Will share more once I hear back.

Is there any outcome of this experiment?

Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2026, 01:37:56 PM »
Is there any outcome of this experiment?


Nope, dead duck 🦆😂

We didn’t get enough money together to test a couple of frames. Then as usual
A load d1ckheads  piped up with, “Testing one frame won’t tell you anything — you need to test more than one.”

Really? 😂 And who exactly is paying for that then? FFS, there are some dickheads about.

Anyway, everyone was refunded and I cracked on with my life!

Quite amusing really, considering the number of people who are prepared to risk $1,000 on a counterfeit frame, but weren’t prepared to risk $10 or whatever it was to get a couple bought, sent to a professional, properly tested and have a report done.

I think some of them genuinely thought that if they didn’t get their $10 back, I was going to disappear off in my private jet to some sun-soaked island and live the good life 😂✈️🏝️.
Well looks like a few counterfeit sellers may have done exactly that already

Serge_K

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2026, 03:54:34 PM »

Nope, dead duck 🦆😂

We didn’t get enough money together to test a couple of frames. Then as usual
A load d1ckheads  piped up with, “Testing one frame won’t tell you anything — you need to test more than one.”

Really? 😂 And who exactly is paying for that then? FFS, there are some dickheads about.

Anyway, everyone was refunded and I cracked on with my life!

Quite amusing really, considering the number of people who are prepared to risk $1,000 on a counterfeit frame, but weren’t prepared to risk $10 or whatever it was to get a couple bought, sent to a professional, properly tested and have a report done.

I think some of them genuinely thought that if they didn’t get their $10 back, I was going to disappear off in my private jet to some sun-soaked island and live the good life 😂✈️🏝️.
Well looks like a few counterfeit sellers may have done exactly that already

lol, the bitterness :D
It's not my fault, it's the dickheads. As a French person, it's a moto i live by.

Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2026, 04:11:22 PM »
lol, the bitterness :D
It's not my fault, it's the dickheads. As a French person, it's a moto i live by.


Yep I’m all bitter an twisted 😂 😂 mate you got me!

MarcFaFo

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2026, 05:27:59 AM »

Nope, dead duck 🦆😂

We didn’t get enough money together to test a couple of frames. Then as usual
A load d1ckheads  piped up with, “Testing one frame won’t tell you anything — you need to test more than one.”

Really? 😂 And who exactly is paying for that then? FFS, there are some dickheads about.

Anyway, everyone was refunded and I cracked on with my life!

Quite amusing really, considering the number of people who are prepared to risk $1,000 on a counterfeit frame, but weren’t prepared to risk $10 or whatever it was to get a couple bought, sent to a professional, properly tested and have a report done.

I think some of them genuinely thought that if they didn’t get their $10 back, I was going to disappear off in my private jet to some sun-soaked island and live the good life 😂✈️🏝️.
Well looks like a few counterfeit sellers may have done exactly that already

That's a shame. I realy liked the post/idea when I stumbled on it last week. But you're not far off to conclude that there a bunch of very strange people out there. Good to let it rest and forget about it.

Thanks for your honesty and sharing this idea

Sander2177

Re: Thinking of Going Deeper Counterfeit Frames – UPDATE and Fund Link
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2026, 07:52:44 AM »
That's a shame. I realy liked the post/idea when I stumbled on it last week. But you're not far off to conclude that there a bunch of very strange people out there. Good to let it rest and forget about it.

Thanks for your honesty and sharing this idea

Copilot said:

No worries, I gave it a try! 😄

There is quite a bit of content online from people who have bought and ridden these bikes, including some useful like-for-like comparisons. That's great, but things such as build quality, close-up visual inspection, manufacturing consistency and overall ride feel are often subjective and only tell part of the story.

A detailed scan and inspection by a competent professional would be very interesting, and it's something I could possibly help facilitate. However, for the exercise to have real value, it would make sense to purchase three or four frames from different sellers and compare them directly. By the time you've bought the frames and covered inspection costs, you're probably looking at an investment of around $3,000-$4,000 or more.

Ideally, you would want someone with the expertise and reputation of Luescher Teknik to carry out the assessment, as that would add credibility and provide a genuinely independent evaluation of the frames.