Author Topic: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?  (Read 7293 times)

Scott902

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2025, 05:28:52 AM »
Yeah, Im leaning toward the Ortlieb setup. Easy on/off. And not as crazy on the wallet as the Tailfin. The Topeak setup has me curious but until it goes on sale, hard to compare.
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Domane SL6 G4

hubba

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2025, 08:18:56 AM »
The Ortlieb Quick rack is working great on my gravel bike, feels like a quality product. I'm thinking of replacing the M6 mounting bolts on the thru axle with titanium ones then it won't be much heavier than the original thru axle.

Tijoe

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2025, 12:56:14 PM »
The Ortlieb Quick rack is working great on my gravel bike, feels like a quality product. I'm thinking of replacing the M6 mounting bolts on the thru axle with titanium ones then it won't be much heavier than the original thru axle.
Ortlieb Quick rack is a lightweight rack in general, but is only one part of a complete "luggage system".  You get locked into a "pannier" system where you can fit their "my perspective" heavy panniers/bags, and perhaps a few other brands that can be adapted to fit their racks system.   

When I write a "luggage system"  I believe that you have to plan out what your gear requirements are for each adventure, and then pack accordingly.   Over the years, I have found that I personally don't like to bike camp for more than 2 weeks, and for many of my trips, they end up being 5 to 7 days.

Therefore, I moved away from panniers, and started using ultralight dyneema dry bags.  (2 to 4 oz total weight per bag, +  a couple ounces more per drybag using Viole straps.)  With this approach, I literally reduced my luggage base weight by almost 3 pounds!

Migrating away from panniers, or other "sewn and pre-fabricated bike bags/panniers" lets me shift my focus towards racks that properly hold drybags.   
By moving to drybags, I select from 10L, 12L, and 20L bags that helps me limit how much gear I carry on a specific ride.   This way, I can focus more on how much water and food I need to carry versus baseline gear and clothing.  (One other evil these days, weight-wise, is all of the electronics one has to carry in order to navigate, communicate, and record one's adventures.)  I carry 3 to 5 pounds in navigation, cell phone/s, emergency beacon, back-up battery, lights and back-up navigation.

Last thing to consider is that all of the companies selling racks and their associated bags/panniers/gear have to design their products to accommodate a wide range of applications, fit/adapt to various bicycles, and a wide range of consumer needs.   Therefore, it is very difficult for them to optimize any one of their products and be able to sell enough of that product to stay in business.   If you have fabrication skills, you can customize and tailor your rack and gear for your specific bike/s and rides, and this leads to a lot of weight savings and saves a lot of money overall.

As an example, in the rack image I posted earlier, I have a nice little tray area in the center of my rack.  I was unhappy with where, and how, I was storing my bike tools and chargers/cables for my electronics, so I sewed up a nice bag that nests into the rack, and then I strap a drybag on top of the tool bag.  This home made zippered bag weighs about 2 oz less then when I carried my tools in my "purchased expensive seat post bag", and the other bag I carried my chargers, spare derailleur battery and cables in.
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Wet Noodle

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2026, 05:59:21 PM »
You get locked into a "pannier" system where you can fit their "my perspective" heavy panniers/bags, and perhaps a few other brands that can be adapted to fit their racks system.
It's a pretty conventional rack with rails. Not sure, I'd call the need for hooks "locked in".

... moving to drybags ...
What fabric and how do you fix them? I didn't have much luck with straps; with the constant vibrations and chaffing, they would abrade the fabric in no time (no catastrophic failure, you just get a lot of small holes).

Tijoe

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2026, 08:26:55 PM »
It's a pretty conventional rack with rails. Not sure, I'd call the need for hooks "locked in".
What fabric and how do you fix them? I didn't have much luck with straps; with the constant vibrations and chaffing, they would abrade the fabric in no time (no catastrophic failure, you just get a lot of small holes).

When I wrote "Locked in"  I mean that Ortlieb's bags and panniers are fabricated to fit their rack the best so they want you to purchase their panniers versus other brands, not that they are literally locked on to the rails with hooks.

I believe I wrote that I have been using dry bags made from Dyneema.   (Most are Sea to Summit brand.)   I  have many $3 to $4 Aliexpress rip-stop nylon drybags that I have used on some trips.

When I started using drybags, I had some problems with how I was strapping them to the rack rails, then over time, I evolved a way to pack the contents of my bags such that they don't move around much or become chaffed due to the Viole straps.

I have to admit that the vertical dry bags have to be filled and stuffed with basically the same contents for the entire trip.  When I tried to carry my food and other consumables in a vertical side drybag, it became a disaster, and as the contents in the bag were consumed or when the filled shape of the bag changed, I had numerous problems,   These days, I carry my food and consumables in the drybag I pack horizontally on the top of the rack, along with a rope and carabiner, and  this bag gets hung in a tree each night while remote camping. 

lidation

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2026, 08:40:12 PM »
I had been looking for them as well but to no avail. I ended up buying a cheap aluminum rack and modify myself.


Tijoe

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2026, 12:05:04 AM »
The closest thing that might work is this. $29 for the Aluminum hoop rack and you can add stuffs to it.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809962885025.html

Functional for its price, but as I wrote before, you have to look at the complete system weight versus your use case.   The basic rack weighs 625 grams,  the bracket sold in the kit weighs 200 grams each,  the Special drybag that fits their brackets, weighs 300 grams.   1625 grams total for $108 (3.5 lbs)  Affordable, but a heavy system, and this version doesn't have provisions for a top bag.  (I saw another version with a flat bracket on top that lets you mount another bag.)

Edit:  I don't mean to try to bias readers based on weight only.   Sometimes you have to purchase what you can afford and use if for some trips. Then change things as you catch the bikepacking bug and refine your riding/trip needs.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2026, 12:09:12 AM by Tijoe »

hubba

Re: Tailfin Pannier Rack Chiner Version?
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2026, 01:28:29 AM »
Ortlieb Quick rack is a lightweight rack in general, but is only one part of a complete "luggage system".  You get locked into a "pannier" system where you can fit their "my perspective" heavy panniers/bags, and perhaps a few other brands that can be adapted to fit their racks system.   

Yeah fair enough. I only use a rack bag on mine (Vaude silkroad) to transport stuff and go to the shops as I have no car. It's pretty versatile as it also expands to have pannier bags on the side.
If I do some bike packing in the future I will definitely need different bags for that.

What I understood Ortlieb gives you a lot more freedom than Tailfin. I guess the question is do you need a quick rack or a traditional bolted one. If you need to remove it often there's only a few choices available. Also if your bike is carbon it further limits the choices. I sometimes chase koms on my gravel bike so I needed a quick rack.