Author Topic: Brakes uppgrade ?  (Read 11611 times)

Dewa6975

Brakes uppgrade ?
« on: January 28, 2026, 08:10:46 AM »
Hello,

I currently own a 105 groupset but I am not satisfied by the braking performance (surely due my weight at 90kg...)

I am looking to uppgrade calipers while keeping shimano's levers.
Considering ZRACE XG4, 4 pistons as Tracevelo did a review on them but looking for other recommendations !

Thanks

Dan S.

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2026, 08:20:43 AM »
I currently own a 105 groupset but I am not satisfied by the braking performance (surely due my weight at 90kg...)

Are the brakes properly bled?

Dewa6975

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2026, 08:25:05 AM »
Not really sure as I am not a professionnel but I did take my time and did everything I could to get rid of air bubles.

CycOps

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2026, 08:35:23 AM »
IMHO a propper set up Shimano 105 disc break should have good stopping power even for big and heavy riders.

BeR

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2026, 08:40:26 AM »
Have you correctly done the "break-in" period ?

Dewa6975

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2026, 08:47:44 AM »
Have you correctly done the "break-in" period ?

Yes I did progressive stops at 25, 20, 15 km/h  while slighty pressing on my levers.

Mariuszuzd

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2026, 10:30:58 AM »
You can check also Lewis Brake and their SL/SLR version. They have it for DOT and mineral oil.

hubba

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2026, 12:24:51 PM »
Depends what frame you got you could also get a 160 to 180 flat mount adapter they're cheap on aliexpress. I got one on my gravel bike. But yes a properly setup 105 brakes should have plenty of power. What rotors and brake pads are you using?

dolph

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2026, 12:44:17 PM »
Make sure you are using at least 160mm rotors in both ends, get ahimano freeze rotors, xt-ultegra or above range, that should be enough. Don't forget to run finned shimano OEM pads.

I'm a heavy rider too, one of my bikes uses magura mt8 calipers which have a progressive bite and high stopping power at the end of the range but pad clearance is not as good as shimano calipers.

Dewa6975

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2026, 02:43:37 PM »
I have 105 rotors but Bucklos pads.

I have the standard 160/140 105 discs but will rather start by improving my disc before going all in.

gribs

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2026, 03:42:39 PM »
The easiest and most cost effective upgrade would be increasing the size of your discs. Galfer green pads are expensive but provide very good power too.

Tijoe

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2026, 03:55:16 PM »
Regarding your 105 calipers versus the ZRACE XG4 4-piston calipers,  your Shimano 105 have 22mm pistons, versus the 2 per side, 16mm pistons in the XG4 calipers.  This results in about a 6% greater piston surface area for the XG4 calipers.  (probably within the travel/modulation capability of the Shimano lever.
I have had a lot of frustrating experiences with the basic 4-piston "E4" 16mm based MTB version of the XG4 caliper.  I thought that this caliper would work fantastic because it is about a 90% copy of the Hope Tech E4 calipers.    Not!  For some yet TBD reason, it appears that the E4 rear caliper is very difficult to bleed.  Looking at the XG4 caliper, it appears to have the same layout for the pistons and pads as the E4.
Therefore, I don't recommend the XG4 calipers.
If all you are looking for is new calipers, as stated already, I'de look at the Lewis calipers,  or perhaps the new Wheeltop 2 piston calipers.

From another perspective, my bikepacking gear and my weight dials in around 210KGs.  I have had numerous brake issues over the past several years.  Last year, I started using larger rotors on the bikepacker.   180mm rear, 203mm front.   I immediately noticed much better stopping power and less brake fade, and I still had about the same lever modulation.  You might also experiment more with pad compounds.   

I would recommend trying this before changing your calipers.
1.  Purchase a set of caliper adapters and migrate to larger rotors.
2.  Research brake pad compounds, and install new pads at the same time.
3.  Bed in the new pads and test how they work.
Note:  Migrating to 4-piston calipers that have only 6% greater surface area isn't a guarantee that the new calipers will stop any better than the existing ones.

- Unless you know you are overheating your current set-up on a regular basis, and have either cooked your pads or rotors, I'd stick with testing larger rotors and pads first.

« Last Edit: January 28, 2026, 03:59:33 PM by Tijoe »

cyruscycles

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2026, 09:46:22 PM »
Just get larger rotors and tweak your pads and call it a day. I think peak torque makes some adapters. I assume there are cheap ali versions as well. Experimenting with Chinese calipers mixed with Shimano levers isn't the safest imo. You can get a massive jump in performance by increasing rotor size alone
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hubba

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2026, 11:54:29 PM »
I used the XG4 calipers for a short while and wasn't impressed with the braking power, tried different pads too. Also the bleed was not easy. Less initial bite than Shimano and just a little more top end power not enough to make me want to live with them.

I would probably change the Bucklos pads to Shimano and run larger rotors if I was you.

Here's the adapter I have
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009438621605.html
« Last Edit: January 29, 2026, 11:48:20 AM by hubba »

jonathanf2

Re: Brakes uppgrade ?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2026, 09:31:45 AM »
180mm disc rotors. Just get adapters and call it a day. Your 105 2 piston calipers are more than capable of stopping your body weight.