Chinese frame

[Guilherme_]

Hello guys, i was looking for tips on the frame i should choose for my bike, right now i had in mind the lightcarbon lcr017-d and the elves falath evo+, but i saw some feedback and didnt think it was that good for 1200€, any tips? I would like something with larger tubes, if anyone has a idea please let me know 

[hahel]

Maybe info in this thread can help you

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6973.0.html

[Serge_K]

if you could be even more vague, then we could ourselves make sure to be just as vague, maybe more.

[Guilherme_]

if you could be even more vague, then we could ourselves make sure to be just as vague, maybe more.

Sorry, let me be a bit less vague
Road bike frame
Budget: max €1200 for the frame
Use: fast group rides and some racing (not endurance-focused)
Rider: 178 cm / 75 kg
Terrain: mostly flat to rolling
Would like something that would have the options of buying saddle and handlebar with it, and would be a frameset

I was considering the LightCarbon LCR017‑D and Elves Falath EVO+, but after reading some feedback about stiffness/QC at this price point, I’m not fully convinced Elves is worth €1200.

I’m specifically looking for a frame with larger tube profiles (aero or semi‑aero), prioritising stiffness and responsiveness over comfort.

Would be using it with Disc brake and 30 mm tyres
Anyhting else?

[Sander2177]

Sorry, let me be a bit less vague
Road bike frame
Budget: max €1200 for the frame
Use: fast group rides and some racing (not endurance-focused)
Rider: 178 cm / 75 kg
Terrain: mostly flat to rolling
Would like something that would have the options of buying saddle and handlebar with it, and would be a frameset

I was considering the LightCarbon LCR017‑D and Elves Falath EVO+, but after reading some feedback about stiffness/QC at this price point, I’m not fully convinced Elves is worth €1200.

I’m specifically looking for a frame with larger tube profiles (aero or semi‑aero), prioritising stiffness and responsiveness over comfort.

Would be using it with Disc brake and 30 mm tyres
Anyhting else?

Voice Velo VH $1399USD (1200 Euro)  https://www.pandapodium.cc/product/voicevelo-vfv-echo-aero-road-bike-frameset/
Ide Sheelimg who retired form the WT last year. He has the lighter VO variety and is racing it so maybe one to watch: .
Or stretch the budget and get a Tavelo Arow ($1650 usd 1400Euro)  or conatct the OEM Adapt they only do B2B but say your looking to start a bike brand and order a sample frame and bar: http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=95 will be about $900usd inc shipping.