Tavelo Arden

[Hualicopter]

Pulling up to both my local crit races and national level events while seeing several riders with Tavelo Arows has been awesome to see this season. Folks who paid for them 

Tavelo is continuing the legacy that many feel Winspace once had back in 2020/21. Which makes sense IYKYK.

So how many frames do you have lined up to review over the new few months heh

[kubackje]

You said ‘no local support’, which should say ‘depends on where you live, no local support’. Germany by the way also has a Tavelo dealer (www.tavelo-bikes.de), but perhaps Germany is a small country too? ;-).

That wasn’t even the point though, point is that some of these Chinese brands are expanding their local dealer / local support network.

Evolve sells through one of the biggest retailers in the Netherlands now (Mantel), Seka has a dedicated retailer here as well. Ciclistici from BE sells a lot of CN D2C brands.

I don’t have visibility on how this is going in other countries in Europe, but would make sense for many of these brands to slowly expand their network.

I think you don't understand what local support is for most of people or you just playing stupid. Which makes sense reading the part about germany. Of course you will try to distort reality, because you're basically a paid shiller. But as you can see some people have different definition of local support.

[Sakizashi]

There are multiple ways to build a local support network. Where I am Quick Pro is offering nice “pro” deals to a number of clubs. These clubs members take their bikes to a small number of high end shops, including some mechanics they ride with. These shops now know how to build Quick Pro bikes, how to get spares etc. AFAIK, none of these shops are dealers though some of them are probably thinking about it.

I havent seen the same thing with Tavelo yet. I havent even seen one out on the road where I live, but I am sure I will since they are doing the same thing (offering steep “pro” deals to clubs). Its probably really effective way to grow and bypasses the challenge of setting up formal dealer arrangement and gets product out in the market first. The support will come if there are enough builds to be done as most of these chinese brands seem to be selling either framesets or build kits. They arent flatpack bikes like Canyons (this is respect to Canyon for sending bikes that require close to no assembly).

[petz]

Any info regarding geometry?
There was something like a geo chart on the table next to the frame at sea otter I think

[Blablablaomfg]

just watched GCperformance vid and he claimed it was 34c tire clearance, which looks closer to in the images /video compared to the 40c mentioned in the velo article.

But i do hope it will be 40c, that will be a very exciting bike that i will look forward to.

[bremerradkurier]

The new Conti GP5000 S TR (NOT the ghetto-ized all seasons) seems to be out, shipping, and in stock here https://r2-bike.com/CONTINENTAL-Tire-Grand-Prix-5000-S-TR-Tubeless-28-700-x-35C-BlackChili-VectranBreaker.
Havent seen a rolling resistance test yet, but i suspect that it's as fast as the 32, that was as fast as the 28, give or take.
With a wide ass rim, the existence of this tyre just reset the gold standard for fast road bikes for most people, as far as i'm concerned. If you're 80kg, you've got no business being on 28C when you could be on wider tyres. I have 32 measuring 34mm at the back, i'm never going narrower again, and i'd love to test this 35 to see how it feels. The less is worry (punctures) and feel (vibration / comfort) potholes and bad asphalt, the better. Especially in the mountains, especially in spring / autumn when alpine / forest roads can be greasy, dirty, mossy, wet, gravely, and so on. I dont like that they don't have a tube version though, but i also dont think China is selling 35C TPU tubes, so maybe it's got to be tubeless.
And so, that frame looks very interesting.

Try the 38c Schwalbe slicks-real width is right at 40mm on 26 IW rims.   Dive bombing inside lines on asphalt is hilarious fun.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/cx-gravel-reviews/schwalbe-pro-one-tle-38

[Dareios]

Had dinner with Mr Tavelo himself last night. He's a very calm and calculated gentlemen. I like that he's been very been careful about not simply releasing a bunch of new frames that will confuse consumers and subsequently cannibalize sales. The Tavelo Arow is my favorite road bike so far from the Chinese brands.

Here in Chicagoland there really isnt any gravel within a 2-3 hour drive that requires gravel tires larger than 40c. So the Tavelo Arden could really be a one-bike solution while competing with Canyon's latest "Endurance".

I know pricing will be tough to swallow. My main takeaway from Sea Otter is how important marketing and brand cache is for Western buyers.

*cough* Winspace *cough*

[Takiyaki]

Most people don't care about resale value because they don't sell their bikes or frames anymore; instead, they ride them until they end up cut into pieces in the trash or sit in the basement or garage for years. That said, I would never buy a frame from Winspace for the price of an SLC5. However, I would also never buy an S-Works or something similar from a Western company at those prices. And i would absolutely never buy a used frame, no matter how expensive it was once.

This is just not true, there are whole business centered around basically nothing but reselling used bikes. I myself have bought 2 used bikes and sold 3. I just sold a gravel bike on Tuesday.

I def used to agree that Chinese bikes basically had no resale value, but again, a quick look at stuff like Winspace bikes/framesets on Buycycle says otherwise. Theyre def cheaper than Western equivalents but they're not completely worthless. I think the problem for Tavelo specifically is they havent built that widespread name recognition yet.

[StorTre]

Some updated info from the TaveloSG instagram account.

Claim a 34mm tire clearance, reinforces the idea of Arden being the name of the model, has a geometry chart in the post. Hopefully some more simple colour options will be available as they’ve only shown very busy paint schemes.

[wintermute]

I like that he's been very been careful about not simply releasing a bunch of new frames that will confuse consumers and subsequently cannibalize sales. The Tavelo Arow is my favorite road bike so far from the Chinese brands.

How does this not immediately cannibalise sales from the Arow? It's lighter, wider clearance, better geometry.

If your interpretation is that this is the Arow II / SL2 / Electric Boogaloo, why not release it under that name?

Or are we expecting an Arow II aero rocketship from him with this positioned as the Allroad/Do-it-all?

[jrasero]

Most people don't care about resale value because they don't sell their bikes or frames anymore; instead, they ride them until they end up cut into pieces in the trash or sit in the basement or garage for years. That said, I would never buy a frame from Winspace for the price of an SLC5. However, I would also never buy an S-Works or something similar from a Western company at those prices. And i would absolutely never buy a used frame, no matter how expensive it was once.

I'd disagree, unless you are like Patty Lino who is just rolling though China frames for content on YouTube, I think resale does matter since these China brands move through product cycles extremely fast which is a pro and a con.  Chinese D2C are able to easily  re-tune or recreate a frame on the fly year to year, heck even every 6 months in the case of Winspace, but with the downside that there is a fear that you buy a Chinese frame and in 6 months it's already dated in terms of specs, and since these frames really rely on "value" and spec hunting, a lot of people who buys these bikes are not doing so to buy a "lifetime" bike or a bike they probably will use for the next 5+ years.  In contrast if you buy a Specialized or whatever, you are paying a premium but you have the satisfaction they run on a three year product cycle, thus when the SL9 comes out this year, you can rest easy it's not going to be revised 6 months later. 

I personally have fallen for this Chinese spec chasing trap and combined with the major increase of D2C Chinese bike frame costs now being $2K-$3K, I personally don't see the reason to go Chinese (frames) unless they are offering a spec and/or value that a Western brand simply isn't offering yet, ie this Tavelo Arden since there is now maybe one aero bike that support a true 35mm tire, ie the Canyon Endurace CFR which isn't even available yet in the US and two it's only a complete bike in Shimano DA at $10K+.  So I can see this Tavelo Arden actually ticking a lot of boxes, however the big names in Trek, Specialized, Giant, and so on all have to see these trends coming right?  Right?  You would expect they have something in the pipeline.  The fact that a good deal of Western race bikes have been released already in early 2026 and tire clearance hasn't really expanded at all, would indicate these Western brands are still at least a generation behind the ultra wide tire clearance trend

[jrasero]

Some updated info from the TaveloSG instagram account.

Claim a 34mm tire clearance, reinforces the idea of Arden being the name of the model, has a geometry chart in the post. Hopefully some more simple colour options will be available as they’ve only shown very busy paint schemes.

Yeah at 34mm I don't think that's pushing the needle enough for me.  A SuperSix EVO Gen 4/5 has 34mm clearance.  Thus that means you can run a 32mm tire on a pretty progressively wide wheel.  I think what I am looking for any many others are looking for in something akin to the new Canyon Endurace CFR that can 35mm tire on a progressively wide wheel or even a bike that has true 40mm clearance

[Serge_K]

Tavelo Arden with 38mm tyres. @21:09.
(35C measuring 38mm)

[chillpedal]

It could be tempting to quote casing width-as-measured as the tire size but nominal 38mm tires would be taller than a nominal 35mm tire. In fact some 35mm tires are even taller than other same size tires like the new 35 STR which is 2mm taller over the rim than this Mich Pro5. Tire height could decide if setup is too close to the FD/seattube or the fork crown. Also remember most forks, seatstays and chainstays taper or get narrow so tire height should be considered.

[Sahalee]

Some updated info from the TaveloSG instagram account.

I am hopeful that this geo isnt accurate as it isnt looking like a higher stack to me... Have we seen any other mentions of geometry?