Mondince FM356 61mm tire clearance

[dolph]

I'm planning on a custom 2 colors and white letters paintwork.

[Opadeira]

I'm confused, is the FM356 not on the mondince homepage yet? I just see the FM346

[ains]

I'm confused, is the FM356 not on the mondince homepage yet? I just see the FM346

They are testing it now. It will be on their web site in the end of July probably.

[ains]

Jack wrote that FM356 frameset would appear on Mondince web site in 7 days and photos of the frameset would be made in 2 days.

[Opadeira]

The complete geometry table.

This seems to be a rather small/short bike to me? XL with a reach of 398mm...
Any thoughts?

[ains]

This seems to be a rather small/short bike to me? XL with a reach of 398mm...
Any thoughts?

I also consider of buying M size frame instead of S size.

[warthog]

This seems to be a rather small/short bike to me? XL with a reach of 398mm...
Any thoughts?

The bigger issue for me is the height. A ridiculous amount of stack. Unusable for me.

[shoushou]

I usually don't write much, but i thought i might as well give my opinion, if it could influence the way this bike turns out. In my opinion toe overlap is a way smaller problem than people make it to be. Given how far you need to turn the handlebars for the wheel to be close to you foot, for it to actually hit while turning and pedaling the speed needs to be really low. I have a bit of toe overlap on my road bike, and im a totally sure, whenever i feel the need to pedal through a turn,  (i want to go fast) the pace is way to high for me to be turning my handlebars enough for it to be a problem. So what im trying to say is, i would much rather have the steering of a 50mm fork than the clearance of a 65 mm fork, even though im in between sizes and might end up with a size small.
Might just be my lukewarm take, but if anyone is planning on summarizing this thread to Jack, i thought it would be worth to mention, since i am pretty interested in the frame.

Exactly.
I think toe overlap is a problem that does not actually exists.
If you are going very slow and turning a lot (think u turn) then this might be a case. Otherwise you won’t touch your wheel. And even if you do, just stop pedaling. It’s not a fixed gear.
My prefers road frame has a lot of overlap. I ride it still and I never ever had an issue with this.
I do love how it turns by itself which only happens because it has short wheelbase combined with steep head tube.

[AngryBear]

The bigger issue for me is the height. A ridiculous amount of stack. Unusable for me.

To each their own, but I’d be surprised if even 5% of the people on this forum are actually looking for a really low-stack bike. I’m not even sure what a low stack is all that beneficial for anymore. It used to be considered the more aero option, but that doesn’t seem to be the case these days. Just look at modern TT bikes. A lot of them have 100+ mm of spacers under the aero bars because that’s where riders are finding the best mix of comfort, power, and aerodynamics. Looking through the FM336 build thread, it also seems like a lot of people are running quite a few spacers under the stem anyway. To me, that says many riders are trying to get to a taller front end regardless. This frame clears 61 mm tires, which is 2.4 inches. This bike was designed for adventure riding and long days in the saddle, not an ultra-aggressive race position. Personally, I like that they gave it a taller stack. It lets more people get the fit they want without stacking a bunch of spacers under the stem, and I think it ends up looking cleaner too. I’d actually love to see more bikes go in this direction because I think they match how most people really ride.

[ains]

Exactly.
I think toe overlap is a problem that does not actually exists.
If you are going very slow and turning a lot (think u turn) then this might be a case. Otherwise you won’t touch your wheel. And even if you do, just stop pedaling. It’s not a fixed gear.
My prefers road frame has a lot of overlap. I ride it still and I never ever had an issue with this.
I do love how it turns by itself which only happens because it has short wheelbase combined with steep head tube.

Overlap can be an issue in traffic jams and on bad flat forest roads with roots, water puddles, grass and so on where you need to chose and change direction of movement on low speed very often.

[dolph]

To each their own, but I’d be surprised if even 5% of the people on this forum are actually looking for a really low-stack bike. I’m not even sure what a low stack is all that beneficial for anymore. It used to be considered the more aero option, but that doesn’t seem to be the case these days. Just look at modern TT bikes. A lot of them have 100+ mm of spacers under the aero bars because that’s where riders are finding the best mix of comfort, power, and aerodynamics. Looking through the FM336 build thread, it also seems like a lot of people are running quite a few spacers under the stem anyway. To me, that says many riders are trying to get to a taller front end regardless. This frame clears 61 mm tires, which is 2.4 inches. This bike was designed for adventure riding and long days in the saddle, not an ultra-aggressive race position. Personally, I like that they gave it a taller stack. It lets more people get the fit they want without stacking a bunch of spacers under the stem, and I think it ends up looking cleaner too. I’d actually love to see more bikes go in this direction because I think they match how most people really ride.

Low stack feels more responsible, wrong bike fit set me to a ridiculous stack height, lowering it a couple of cm and turning around the stem made the bike feel much more nimble.

For the kind of bike this mondince is the stack height seems adequate, you can always run it with no spacers and negative stem angle.

[warthog]

To each their own, but I’d be surprised if even 5% of the people on this forum are actually looking for a really low-stack bike. I’m not even sure what a low stack is all that beneficial for anymore. It used to be considered the more aero option, but that doesn’t seem to be the case these days. Just look at modern TT bikes. A lot of them have 100+ mm of spacers under the aero bars because that’s where riders are finding the best mix of comfort, power, and aerodynamics. Looking through the FM336 build thread, it also seems like a lot of people are running quite a few spacers under the stem anyway. To me, that says many riders are trying to get to a taller front end regardless. This frame clears 61 mm tires, which is 2.4 inches. This bike was designed for adventure riding and long days in the saddle, not an ultra-aggressive race position. Personally, I like that they gave it a taller stack. It lets more people get the fit they want without stacking a bunch of spacers under the stem, and I think it ends up looking cleaner too. I’d actually love to see more bikes go in this direction because I think they match how most people really ride.

Well we clearly have different preferences and that is fine. I expect you percentages are out, given the popularity of the SP028 thread with its much lower stack height.
I would like a gravelo with a larger tyre clearance than my current goer. I use it for dirt roads, fire trails and rail trails.
I would like it to approximate the position of my roadie as a result.
The current gravelo has a lower stack height but still needed a -17° stem to get there.
Here it is with an old roadie.
https://ibb.co/1Y4b1WWM

[AngryBear]

Makes total sense, and like you said, to each their own. I’m hoping one of these Chinese companies eventually gets organized and creates a catalog that’s clearly designed around the different types of riders. For example, have a low-stack, long-reach “aggressive” frame and market it as exactly that, then offer a high-stack “all-day ride/bikepacking” frame, and maybe a third option positioned as an “endurance” bike for long weekend rides. Right now, the nuanced geometry differences and the constant release of multiple, very similar frames just make the buying process more confusing than it needs to be, at least in my opinion.....BTW nice stable.....

[xcelrec]

Just got sent these two videos, color is chameleon green.

Here's a screenshot from the video:

[ains]

Few more pics of frameset from Jack. The size is M. Black parts on the fork are rubber inserts. Photos of tire clearance with ruler are needed.