Yoeleo ZEN RS

[Dark17]

Seeing everyone suddenly become bike geo experts (literally just looking at 1* STA differences) is a hilarious development in cycling ^^

1 degree is a lot like 2mm saddle higher/lower could affect your comfort.

[hubba]

1 degree of seat tube angle is not just millimeters. At my saddle height it's 1.4cm. And when you're already at the limit of the rails it means the frame doesn't work for my fit simple as that.

[KRoser]

Can someone please share geo chart, tire clearance and expected price. I think it looks pretty good, but official yoleoo web keep redirecting to czech dealer site, super annoying.

[BeR]

Can someone please share geo chart, tire clearance and expected price. I think it looks pretty good, but official yoleoo web keep redirecting to czech dealer site, super annoying.

Here you are (screenshots).

[KRoser]

BeR: Thanks, appretiate it. 72.5° STA in my size is a big no from me, bummer .

[Serge_K]

looks like argon nitrogen

wow they really copied the geometry to +-1 mm

Long Teng OEMs / has OEMed for Argon 18. It's a small brand that is / has been innovative. I suspect it's not too hard to copy their IP / get their CAD files if you're involved in the industry locally. Specialized, Pinarello, have IP lawyers (ineffective ones, it seems). I doubt a small Canadian brand that uses / used factories I can buy from myself has a legal team to go after IP theft in China, where the very concept of IP theft is quite new in the 1st place.

If i were Argon though, the fact that Yoyolele is now self identifying as a premium brand with Western aspirations would piss me off, because if you actually clear inventory at 3k a frame, your frame costs more than lots of legit Western frames. Yet your design was outright stolen.

[moodyedge]

They released nothing for years and end up putting that out, basically following everybody else. They managed to make it dam ugly and too low at the front, like 99% of bikes from China.

[gbrnole]

at the price they're asking might as well just get the Oak Marca. it at least has more modern geometry and a better looking cockpit and seat post interface.

[toxin]

Long Teng OEMs / has OEMed for Argon 18. It's a small brand that is / has been innovative. I suspect it's not too hard to copy their IP / get their CAD files if you're involved in the industry locally. Specialized, Pinarello, have IP lawyers (ineffective ones, it seems). I doubt a small Canadian brand that uses / used factories I can buy from myself has a legal team to go after IP theft in China, where the very concept of IP theft is quite new in the 1st place.

If i were Argon though, the fact that Yoyolele is now self identifying as a premium brand with Western aspirations would piss me off, because if you actually clear inventory at 3k a frame, your frame costs more than lots of legit Western frames. Yet your design was outright stolen.

I mean, you don't need CAD files or even a 3D scan to make something that looks roughly similar. Working from pictures and a geo chart is enough. Taking heavy inspiration from something isn't theft. This isn't a Tantan Tarmac replica situation where they're trying to make an exact copy of the shape.

Also funny to see them talk about the UCI 3:1 rule in the product page. It has been gone from frames for near a decade and almost half that everywhere else.