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Chinese Carbon MTB => 29er => Topic started by: Sowers711 on October 21, 2019, 08:42:52 PM
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(https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/2/photos/134274/s1600_Taichung_Bike_Week_46_of_98.jpg?1571505549) this was on Vital mtb but they gave no info. Does anybody know anything about it?
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Sorry for the way the photo looks, first post.
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Also interested! ::)
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Sowers, did you think to get a photo of the geo chart on the wall next to it? If so can you post it up please?
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That Front end looks like a 3D print or some resin cast. The white inside the BB gives it away.
The rear end might be carbon. Maybe still in development?
My gut feel is Santacruz will shut this down very quickly.
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Sorry, that was the only pic they had of it. Can’t make out the geo. All they said was $600 open mold trail bike frame
https://m.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/600-Open-Mold-Trail-Bike-Frame,134274/sspomer,2
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That Front end looks like a 3D print or some resin cast. The white inside the BB gives it away.
The rear end might be carbon. Maybe still in development?
My gut feel is Santacruz will shut this down very quickly.
That makes sense, the white is at the seat post collar as well. I noticed the white at the bb shell before but thought it must have been a one piece shell running through the frame bonded to the cf unlike the two pieces of cf tube you often see bonded to the either side of the bb area but what you have said is much more logical.
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Very interested in this
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That Front end looks like a 3D print or some resin cast. The white inside the BB gives it away.
The rear end might be carbon. Maybe still in development?
My gut feel is Santacruz will shut this down very quickly.
They have no means to shut it down. Vpp patent is over. You can't patent Geo so what exactly will they go after them for?
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Was only a matter of time that the chinese caught up on geo.vpp patent expired I was actually wondering what was taking them so long to show a vpp bike.
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Any word on manufacturer yet? I’m really interested in this frame.
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Oh yes. Then I can get a "real" China Cruz :D
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Sowers, there is a thread here somewhere about another china frame and there was a comment in it about Vital MTB using it as one of their bikes. I'm betting it will be the same manufacturer so all you have to do is chase down that other thread.
Sorry, I have no idea what forum it was in but I generally look at the 29er, 27.5 and 29 er plus size and 27.5 forums so I think it will be in one of those three. Try googling Vital MTB china frame. Otherwise some reading this might remember and chime in.
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Thanks, I’ll start looking.
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I had a quick look and couldn't see it. You might be best looking at the Vital MTB site and see which of their frames looks familiar.
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Is this it? (http://)
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http://haidelibikes.com/product/showproduct.php?id=129
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I found it from the Miracle factory site.
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OMG I hope this is real, xxl frame for me ;D ;D ;D
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I found it from the Miracle factory site.
Have you got a link? This is all I can find.
http://www.miraclebikes.com/Product/index/id/42.html
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I found it from the Miracle factory site.
Have you got a link? This is all I can find.
http://www.miraclebikes.com/Product/index/id/42.html
http://mira-factory.com/Product/detail/id/34.html 123456 to get in
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Thanks Cerps, I won't ask how you found access to that site. ;)
Can't see where cable entry to the rear triangle is on those drawings but can see the exit points.
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The drawings on that site look great. I would buy a bike that color even.
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Strange that it says it's a 130mm frame. Right between the Tallboy and Hightower?
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Strange that it says it's a 130mm frame. Right between the Tallboy and Hightower?
It says 130 in one place and 150 in another. I'm betting on 150.
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Haidel has it 150 fork, 140 frame, Miracle has it 140 fork, 130 frame in the description but then further down lists it as 150mm.
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I emailed Haideli. Haven't heard back yet from MiracleBikes or their Mira-Factory contact, which I assume are affiliated.
Haideli says the FS831 should be available end of November, with 19" first in production. No info on pricing as of yet.
Also, I noticed there's now an enduro frame posted on the Mira-Factory site, the FS830.
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So awesome!!!! Thanks ;D
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Also, I noticed there's now an enduro frame posted on the Mira-Factory site, the FS830.
Something is up with that geo chart. Reach, front centre and seat angle don't go through the centre of the BB but appear to go through the back of it, consequently all of those dimensions will be incorrect or not standard for comparison.
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That Front end looks like a 3D print or some resin cast. The white inside the BB gives it away.
The rear end might be carbon. Maybe still in development?
My gut feel is Santacruz will shut this down very quickly.
They have no means to shut it down. Vpp patent is over. You can't patent Geo so what exactly will they go after them for?
Design registrations perhaps. I guess the Chinese feels nothing. But Since I'm in the market for something with more updated Geo and slightly more travel than my ICAN P8, I don't give a hoot either. They must just hurry up!
Will also be nice if they confirm geo numbers. Slightly alarming that they get it so wrong, but probably more a case of lost in translation.
Im a big fan of VPP bikes, so I'll wait for this.
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Responded to my email within minutes. I love my aluminum Bronson, but looking forward to building up a really nice budget 29er.
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Have you found their store on ebay?
My search skills aren't showing me anything, I suspect because of location
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Have you found their store on ebay?
My search skills aren't showing me anything, I suspect because of location
Found it,I think.
Looks like it is Tideace on Ebay http://www.ebaystores.com.au/haidelibikes
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Yeah, that’s it. Sorry for not posting a link.
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The geometry of the 831 Am is the same as the Santa cruz Hightower...
Chinese Size "S" is the Santa size "M"!
I will order Size 16,5" would be a medium Santa Cruz...
MIRA BIKES TOLD ME THIS PRICE: 469USD for the Frame, 15 USD for the rear axle and 105USD for shipping
I´m not sure if this correct?!
Cheers,
Florian
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I would be very wary of the geometry figures on that AM frame. As I mentioned previously, they aren't measuring through centre of bb which I believe is the norm.
Edit, ignore that comment, I was thinking the 830 not 831
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Just got another email.
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I have owned a Santacruz and love the VPP suspension.I just cant afford them anymore.
I am in the market for a more up to date and slightly longer travel bike then the ICAN P8. However, I'm not so sure I want to own the very first one.. 19'' is my size, might wait until someone puts it through its paces, theres quite a lot to get right in a month. If the last pic they have is still the 3D printed version..
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So new Message von Miracle->
Price 669USD for 1pc and the Price 469USD is for MOQ 10 PCS!
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Waiting to hear back on price, but was told preorders would receive discount.
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Waiting to hear back on price, but was told preorders would receive discount.
From haidelibicycle: Yes, USD30 for the discount of preorder
II´m thinking that It is to much risk for 30 USD to pre order a Chinese Frame, which is maybe on stock january. So i will wait ;)
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Waiting to hear back on price, but was told preorders would receive discount.
From haidelibicycle: Yes, USD30 for the discount of preorder
II´m thinking that It is to much risk for 30 USD to pre order a Chinese Frame, which is maybe on stock january. So i will wait ;)
Oh, thanks. Yeah $30 is not that great of a difference to risk a preorder on an unproven frame. Think I will wait also.
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Any new information on the frame? I was told 17,19 inch january, other sizes later. I was thinking 21 for me, i am 191.5 cm tall 91 cm inseam, maybe 19 will be ok, but i dont want another too small bike, had some before:(. Maybe they should make chainstay longer on 21 inch like santa cruz and a flip chip for running different wheelsets 27+ and 29.
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I looked at some of those links where specs were stated. Largest tire size I saw was 29 x 2.4. Technically a DHF/DHR combo are 2.5, although that's a 50psi measurement. However, most all modern brand bikes (like my Fezzari Signal Peak marathon XC) now accept up to 29x2.6 AND a 27.5x2.8, so you can run either size. That's a deal breaker for me if I can't fit say a Hans Damph 2.6 in there.
The thing that gets me is if they are gonna put in so much trouble as to copy a bike, why not spec it current? I mean it's a new frame and they had to do the work to setup the molds and what not. Doing things like BSA BB, wide tire capability, boosted rear (148mm), etc, this should be the norm. Just my 2 cents...
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did anyone ask Haideli about the suspension charts?
preferrably with readable numbers
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for the record, this is VPP too: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/550-Open-Mold-Trail-Bike-Frame,134304/sspomer,2
and is 2 years old now
also sold for 600 by http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html
or more, if you want it with a shock and branded: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/DaBomb-27-5-Trail-Bike,134257/sspomer,2
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Look how short the reach is on that though, 584mm in a size 19", and that's not even through the centre of the BB
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reach is the C measurement, you're looking at ETT
yeah it's not for overly tall people, but good enough for me at 1.80m
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Sorry, yes I meant ETT., Reach is obviously shorter again
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on par with many other bikes from 2017 and 18:
https://www.norco.com/bike-archives/2018/range-c-framekit/
https://www.norco.com/bike-archives/2017/range-c71-framekit/
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for the record, this is VPP too: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/550-Open-Mold-Trail-Bike-Frame,134304/sspomer,2
and is 2 years old now
also sold for 600 by http://www.ltbikes.com/product/100.html
or more, if you want it with a shock and branded: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/Crazy-Bike-Tech-from-Taichung-Bike-Week,12690/DaBomb-27-5-Trail-Bike,134257/sspomer,2
This thing is a single pivot design based on a flexing rear triangle.
On a VPP there is an additionnal link between rear and front.
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You would have a pretty hard time trying to flex a solid rear triangle like that ;)
the lower link is backwards, hugging the down tube and its rear pivot is obscured by the rear triangle, but the drawing shows where it is
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/files/CF7-213_GK.jpg
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You would have a pretty hard time trying to flex a solid rear triangle like that ;)
the lower link is backwards, hugging the down tube and its rear pivot is obscured by the rear triangle, but the drawing shows where it is
http://www.apexcreative.com.tw/files/CF7-213_GK.jpg
Did you have the frame in hand or did you see what's supposed to be hidden?
I can only imagine something like the yeti suspension with an eccentric or the updated switch infinity system.
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that would be way too complicated for $600 :) and still protected by the patents, I bet
I judge by the the photos - the show enough to see that it's not a flex stay design and the drawing shows all pivots
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here's the PDF chart showing all the links
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Anyone know what size shock it's going to use yet? I could be in if I could salvege parts off my current bike.
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210x55mm
(http://haidelibikes.com/upload/201910/1570692403957476.jpg)
Santa Cruz are using 210x52,5mm
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Thank you for the reply. My shock won't work, but I'm still considering this frame.
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So new Message von Miracle->
Price 669USD for 1pc and the Price 469USD is for MOQ 10 PCS!
That price for 10 frames is fantastic.
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Anyone know if haideli offers options on the frames like headsets etc.? What about paint jobs? Not that I mind all black. I'll chat with them, but I figured I'd ask here first.
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Anyone know if haideli offers options on the frames like headsets etc.? What about paint jobs? Not that I mind all black. I'll chat with them, but I figured I'd ask here first.
This is an e Mail from EDDIE
It can be do the preorder, but the shipping time would be on Jan 2020.
For the totaly price is USD790 with the painting in metallic black glossy, NO.4.
Item included frame, clamp, headset, rear axle and Bottom bracket.
For the rear hanger we can send as gifts for one piece.
This colors would be possible...
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Great news about the headsets and the colors. This frame gets even more appealing.
I always wanted to build up a frame, but I've never tried. Can someone with experience give me an idea how difficult it is if I were taking parts off another bike? The headsets in, so I assume I just fit the fork in. The bottom bracket is threaded, so will it be easy to get the cranks in? Routing the cables may be hard. Is there really difficult steps I'm not thinking of? Any advice?
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it's not hard, but you might need specialized tools for some things
you can buy BB installation/removal cups cheaply, make a headset/bb/bearing press with duct tape and chopsticks, but things like facing BB/headtube/brake mounts, which is often required, are better done by a qualified person with proper instruments
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it's not hard, but you might need specialized tools for some things
you can buy BB installation/removal cups cheaply, make a headset/bb/bearing press with duct tape and chopsticks, but things like facing BB/headtube/brake mounts, which is often required, are better done by a qualified person with proper instruments
This frame has a pressfit BB, so no facing required. I also never had to face my brake mounts. Headsets on those chiner frame are most of the time the drop-in type so no need for any press there. You just need to tap the race on the fork with a PVC pipe or something similar. To me, the worst part is routing the brake cables through the frames because, unless you have the Formula Cura brakes with detachable lines, you will need to mess with brake fluid for sure (be it just a little drop or a full mess).
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Is it correct to assume since the frame comes with the headset and bottom bracket that they will be installed already?
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no
and all bb shells can require facing if they're not flat enough
less likely with full carbon shell (as opposed to welded), but possible
your personal experience is not a representative sample, iRaphi, unless you've had hundreds of frames and used brakes with less than generous pad clearance with most of them
perfectly flat mounting surfaces do help avoid brake disc rub
it's not always worth the price (shops charge different amounts for this), but it helps
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it's not hard, but you might need specialized tools for some things
you can buy BB installation/removal cups cheaply, make a headset/bb/bearing press with duct tape and chopsticks, but things like facing BB/headtube/brake mounts, which is often required, are better done by a qualified person with proper instruments
This frame has a pressfit BB, so no facing required. I also never had to face my brake mounts. Headsets on those chiner frame are most of the time the drop-in type so no need for any press there. You just need to tap the race on the fork with a PVC pipe or something similar. To me, the worst part is routing the brake cables through the frames because, unless you have the Formula Cura brakes with detachable lines, you will need to mess with brake fluid for sure (be it just a little drop or a full mess).
The Frame has a BSA73 BB ;)
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That's threaded right? So it should be easy to install cranks?
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if the threads are coaxial, which is not always the case :)
Also the epoxy used to affix the alloy BB shell to the frame may fail after some time
It's a known problem with carbon frames, Chinese direct-to-consumer ones in particular, but I cannot say how widespread
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So far I've noticed the top tube is different. There is a link in this frame, whereas the Hightower is straight. I also noticed the seat tube lengths on the geo charts for this frame are much longer. So far it seems there is no flip chip. Wonder if it will have the protectors on the down tube or the little fender for the rear shock. Anyone notice any other major differences?
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Hi,
I have news vom Eddie that the frame will be ready before Chinese new year begins. Cost 680USD with EMS Shipping.
The Frame has a Flip Chip but not a fix internal cable guide inside the frame.
Cheers,
Florian
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I wonder how much extra having it painted will cost. I asked Eddie along with some other questions a while back. He said he'd get back to me but never did. He also gave me a price of $760 for the frame. Wonder why there is a difference.
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It's usually $50-100 for one color.
You can also get it gloss clear for free and add some frame protection kit that looks cool also.
Something from allmountainprotection of dyedbro.com
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Has anyone heard anything from/about this frame? I am about to pull the trigger on a ICAN P9 if this does not show promise.
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Has anyone heard anything from/about this frame? I am about to pull the trigger on a ICAN P9 if this does not show promise.
Unfortunately there is a delay and will be finished after the Chinese New Year.
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Ah darn. I just want to get going on a new build! I have everything set and it's really just the frame. What size will be done first? Large?
Are any of you going to order?
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I'm still considering it. I've never built up a frame and am a little intimidated by it. But it seems like it could be be a really fun project too. I may be too worried not to wait and see how the first frames turn out from buyers here. But it's so tempting.
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I would like to order a Frame if it is ready to ship.
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Eddy told me delayed until mid February
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Has anyone looked in to confirming the geometry chart? I can see it's lifted from the hightower, but with the sizing offset. It seems weird that they'd choose to produce M-XXL rather than S-XL as their chart shows. I'd strongly consider getting one of these for fun but I'd hate to end up ordering a large expecting an actual XL bike but in reality getting true to size large.
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I'm curious about the geometry also. Almost matches right up with Santa Cruz geo but the seat tubes are much longer on the haideli frames.
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Eddy says that the geometry chart are correct and confirmed!
I will order a "haideli Size s" because this the same size as the Medium Santa. The other sizes the seat tube would be much longer then original! I think that would happen because haideli use inches for sizing and not "S/M/L/XL"
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Do we pay full asking price, or do we haven't far a better price? I've never bought a frame from China.
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Eddy says that the geometry chart are correct and confirmed!
I will order a "haideli Size s" because this the same size as the Medium Santa. The other sizes the seat tube would be much longer then original! I think that would happen because haideli use inches for sizing and not "S/M/L/XL"
Hmm weird. I'm still a bit skeptical, not that the L (XL) seat tube at 482 would be too long for me, but I'll probably wait until at least one of the folks on here get something. I'm not exactly in a rush.
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I'm getting awfully curious about this frame now. I was leaning towards a tantan fm08, but this looks pretty good too. Cant wait to read some hands on reviews.
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Some Hightower reviews i read mention how Santa Cruz tuned the shock for the new low link VPP. How do you think the performance of this bike will be affected by the lack of specialized tune? Will it feel really different than an actual Hightower?
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Some Hightower reviews i read mention how Santa Cruz tuned the shock for the new low link VPP. How do you think the performance of this bike will be affected by the lack of specialized tune? Will it feel really different than an actual Hightower?
Many, many bikes get a custom tune over the m/m baseline you'll usually get aftermarket. You end up with a couple options here.
1. Assume its exactly the same as the hightower and order a shock with a tune for a hightower right away (expensive and you have to buy a new shock)
2. Get whatever shock used/aftermarket and then play around with the options available to you until it's "good enough"
3. do #2 but get a custom tune done after you spend some time on the bike.
If you browse the SC hightower thread on MTBR many of them aren't happy with the stock tune anyway.
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Could go for a coil shock instead, in which case dialling it in shouldn't be too much of an effort.
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Could go for a coil shock instead, in which case dialling it in shouldn't be too much of an effort.
Coil shocks have the same options for tuning that air shocks do, minus volume spacers. I've had coil shocks re-valved for my needs.
Moreover I think you'd have a heck of a time fitting a coil in there from the looks of that first picture.
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Do we pay full asking price, or do we haven't far a better price? I've never bought a frame from China.
Oops. That was supposed to be "do we haggle for a better price?" Must have auto-corrected.
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Im very interested. If anyone could work up a bundled price then I would jump in too.
Im just concerned about the mixed up geo too. I need a 19 frame but everything else is consistent with santa cruz xl
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Some Hightower reviews i read mention how Santa Cruz tuned the shock for the new low link VPP. How do you think the performance of this bike will be affected by the lack of specialized tune? Will it feel really different than an actual Hightower?
Many, many bikes get a custom tune over the m/m baseline you'll usually get aftermarket. You end up with a couple options here.
1. Assume its exactly the same as the hightower and order a shock with a tune for a hightower right away (expensive and you have to buy a new shock)
2. Get whatever shock used/aftermarket and then play around with the options available to you until it's "good enough"
3. do #2 but get a custom tune done after you spend some time on the bike.
If you browse the SC hightower thread on MTBR many of them aren't happy with the stock tune anyway.
I agree.
I'd go option 3.
Custom tuning sounds so hocus pockus but in reality it's quite basic and as you say, most would have it done anyway.
Shocks are quite tunable these days, so you'll get there. Try start with a M/M and work your way from there. The Hightower might need a soft compression tune with volume spacers to get the sag right. Or a coil like you said.
I ordered a Ican P9 last week. But if this turns out good I will sell it and get this.
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I have to get a new shock as my old one isnt the correct size.
Used is possible, bit I was thinking of getting a new Manitou Mcleod. I've heard great things about that shock any reason to avoid it?
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I'm curious if this frame will produce 140mm out back with the stated 210x55 or if it's a direct hightower ripoff (which it looks like) and in fact produces 140mm at 210x52.5? My first chinese bike was stated at 100mm but had closer to 115 out back with the shock size they told me to use.
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I'm hoping it's a straight Hightower clone.
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Eddy emailed me and told me mid Feb the frames would be ready and he would send me an updated size chart when they’re made.
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Are there any tariffs or duties when having a frame shipped from China?
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You haven't specified where you are located...
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Oops. United States. Missouri.
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Im very interested. If anyone could work up a bundled price then I would jump in too.
Im just concerned about the mixed up geo too. I need a 19 frame but everything else is consistent with santa cruz xl
I'd be in on a bundle price also. How would this work though?
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Count me in as another if someone were willing to set up he group purchase...
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Same, but no paint for me :P
Edit: I've been out of the chiner game for a while, do these bulk buys at the initial offering usually work out at a discount? If they could confirm the dimensions (which I'm slightly skeptical of) I'd pretty much be OK to pre-order. Maybe something like if we all place our order within a certain timeframe, we can get a certain % off? I don't know. Either way we should probably not expect much until the new year celebrations are over.
PS - I vote we dub this bike "The Watchtower"
Double Edit: I wonder how close this will mirror the high tower. Will we be able to swap in SC upper and lower links to save weight and add the geometry adjust? Time will tell!
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What possible reason could they have for copying an SC frame to a millimeter?
That would require getting their hands on one and taking it apart for measurements instead of just getting geometry somewhere in the ballpark of the current trend
if you want flip chips, make your own link :)
or pay Haideli to make one for you (although they likely order the forged/machined parts from another company)
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I don't want flip chips particularly, I'm just curious to see how close they are. The SC links look more refined than the prototype one of these we've seen so far (obviously). If I end up getting one I'll measure it up and find out some time.
I've heard high end SC bikes are made in china now. I'm not assuming they got their hands on an exact SC and took it apart...but the mold measurements? Maybe.
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On page 3 of this thread, Flo7 said Mira bike told him it would be 469usd for a 10 piece order. That's a fantastic price. Would love to get in on that.
But how does the order work? Anyone ever do a group order here? I'm guessing only one of us actually places the order of course. The rest of us send that guy the money? How do we determine who can be trusted to not rip us off?
And how does the shipping work? Does he receive all the frames then ship them all out to everyone in on the order? What will happen if warranty issues come up?
And does anyone know if there are tarriffs or duty on frames sent to the US?
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On page 3 of this thread, Flo7 said Mira bike told him it would be 469usd for a 10 piece order. That's a fantastic price. Would love to get in on that.
But how does the order work? Anyone ever do a group order here? I'm guessing only one of us actually places the order of course. The rest of us send that guy the money? How do we determine who can be trusted to not rip us off?
And how does the shipping work? Does he receive all the frames then ship them all out to everyone in on the order? What will happen if warranty issues come up?
And does anyone know if there are tarriffs or duty on frames sent to the US?
I've never done a group purchase myself, but I have been part of group purchases for performance auto parts in the past. But that was from US based companies, not china.
Yes, its usually one guy that places the order, that guy receives them all, and then distributes to the others. At least thats the way it worked in the past. We typically used paypal, and group purchases were typically run by trusted members of the online community, many of which had done previous group purchases. As far as I know, any order above $800 US is subject to customs. I have no idea what the current customs rate might be, but probably anywhere form 10% to 25% of the total order. You'd also have to factor in state side shipping from the one delivery point to all the other purchasers. At this point, you've likely already erased the $200 savings.
Perhaps instead, someone could negotiate a lower price with the manufacturer promising 10+ orders, but requiring each purchaser to pay the manufacturer directly, and receive the frame individually. This puts much of the onus back on the manufacturer since they have to handle billing and shipping for each customer again, so I would not expect them to offer anything close tot he same $200 off, but they might be willing to meet somewhere in the middle.
But this is all just speculation. I've never dealt with a manufacturer directly before regarding multiple purchases, nor do I particularly wish to do so now.
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Eddy told me that the Link has a flip chip! The Frame will be available from Haideli, Miracle and TanTan.
The price if we take 10 or more would be crazy ;) EMS Shipping per Box (2 Frames 150USD). I will ask the companies if it possible to order ten or more but everybody order by itself!?
I think the biggest problem now is the coronavirus. Many Companies are closed or have longer holidays!
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After reading about TanTan's response to poor packaging resulting in a damaged frame, I can't say I'd be rushing to buy anything from them.
What about Miracle and Haideli? Both quality and service. Not really read much about either.
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I didn't even think of how the Corona virus is disrupting things. That's a good point.
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Agreed about the coronavirus. Not sure they agree with me, but worker safety i smore important than me buying another frame. Especially if the frame also contains coronavirus. I'm OK waiting for this to all hopefully blow over.
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Unlikely to go back to normal or for the country to really function again until the virus season is over. May in other words.
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I would also prefer Haideli or Miracle, but both of those sprung up since I last got a chiner. Plus the name Tantan is dumb :).
I'm fine to go with whenever they are ready to ship. If that's next week or May, no problem. I've got other bikes to ride.
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Plus the name Tantan is dumb :).
Not if you're stranded on the frozen tundras of Hoth with nothing but a lightsaber.
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I saw some older posts saying that Ican and Miracle are the same company. However if that was true, I'm not sure if it is now.
Haideli / Tideace were the same entity apparently. Again unsure if they still are, or if Haideli were just supplying Tideace the product for their brand.
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Little Update:
They will start to work on 2nd of march, the 17,5" frame would be ready end of march and the 16" frame will be ready end of April!
We'll see what happens to the coronavirus...
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A vaccine is 18 months away and the virus is spreading and able to survive in the open for days.
I dont see things getting better any time soon.
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I'd like to bang on this frame too, asked Eddy some info and told me 19" isn't ready yet; waiting for answer about 17,5" that is the right size for me, and last Flo7's message answer it.
Had a reply from Miracle, they're not working on this frame...waiting news from TanTan too.
Has anyone asked Eddy about Chinertown forum bulk price?
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Miracle sent me an email this weekend stating the frame just went to open mold and they would have a sample soon.
Who knows...
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Looking forward to seeing it.
I haven't asked Eddie about bulk pricing yet. Anyone else?
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a little update...Eddy just wrote me an email and he confirm a generic march as frame availabilty timing.
Asked about a bulk price for the Chinertown community
I'll update here as soon as I'll got the reply.
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Really looking forward to seeing this frame built up!
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a little update...Eddy just wrote me an email and he confirm a generic march as frame availabilty timing.
Asked about a bulk price for the Chinertown community
I'll update here as soon as I'll got the reply.
Looking forward to getting the details on this group order... I might want in depending on price.
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I think at something between the full retail price (750/790$ ?) and the 470$ bulk price; 600/650$ and shipment within the end of march would be fine for me.
A bit confused about shock size...Santa specs a 210x52,5 metric, Haideli 210x55, but if everything is exactly like the Hightower, do they forged a new lower link?
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I think at something between the full retail price (750/790$ ?) and the 470$ bulk price; 600/650$ and shipment within the end of march would be fine for me.
A bit confused about shock size...Santa specs a 210x52,5 metric, Haideli 210x55, but if everything is exactly like the Hightower, do they forged a new lower link?
Agreed.
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Hopefully closer to the bulk price than not.
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Well, maybe we can push the negotiations in the direction that we want by making an offer rather than asking for a quote. I'm guessing they are open to negotiating. Also, whoever talks to the vendor can let them know that we'd be willing to throw in some free advertising here on Chinertown to sweeten the deal. A prominent image banner ad at the top of the forum for a month maybe. Over 30k pageviews monthly. Just an idea.
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I've explained to Eddy that this community forum is a worldwide source for infos about chinese non-branded frames and components, that is true...but to encourage him for a good discount.
Waiting for an answer from him yet
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Thank you for asking about this Freeride1.
And that's cool about the advertising. Very cool.
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I've explained to Eddy that this community forum is a worldwide source for infos about chinese non-branded frames and components, that is true...but to encourage him for a good discount.
Waiting for an answer from him yet
Thank's, I'm interested with a frame
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sorry friends, no answer yet.
I'm in a chat with another vendor (winow sports) that is based next to Haideli and join them with business; he confirmed me last week that this frame is not ready, they have troubles with coronavirus.
By the way, it seem to me harder to chat with them these days.
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had an answer today from Eddy
timing should be: frame sample this month, first frames shipping in april.As usual timeframe with chinese is a bit strange ::)
This is the answer at forum bulk price request.
"Okay, then totally understanding the meaning of bulk price.
And you are right, the shipping time would be on April.
Thanks for your interesting, we would consider about it."
So I'll wait for an update.
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Eddy is joining us here on Chinertown, so every question and price discussion will be open and clear for everyone.
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Well if Eddie reads this, I hope he understands there are some of us here who probably aren't buying at full price, but are definitely in at a good bulk price discount. Like, I dont need a new frame now, but I wouldn't be able to pass it up if it were a good deal. It's worth taking a chance at a good price.
I wonder how Corona virus is affecting business? I know it is probably slowing down production, and I am definitely fine with waiting. No problem whatsoever, no hurry. But I wonder if they will be getting less orders because of it? Would that make them more or less likely to give a discount to get a bulk order? I guess we'll find out.
Thanks for the leg work you have done Freeride1.
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Hey, we're a community!
Eddy will enter as soon his account will be approved by admins
Covid19 is spreading worldwide affecting every aspect of our life...here in Italy seem to reach his peak next months, and this week we are already slowed down with schools and group activity
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I just approved Eddy's account. Sorry for the delay but if I don't approve manually the spam gets crazy.
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Hi, everyone, I am Eddy, very happy to be here to chat with all of you guys.
We are so sorry for the delaying of the sample production since the Chinese new year holiday and the virus.
Hope all of you would be in healthy and safe, take care.
For the frame FM-AM831 is our new mold, it can be checked the details on www.haidelibikes.com
Any question or need, feel free to contact me at any time, we would be always here to serve for you.
The sample would be done sooner, i will show the rear pictures and the details. And after testing, then accept the orders.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Really thanks for the Freeride1's help, so i got the opportunity to be this forum.
Best regards
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Hi Eddy,
Welcome to the forum, happy to have you as a member here.
And thanks for your reply, but could you possibly address the group's questions in regards to a group buy/bulk discount? The details are on the previous page of this thread. If that isn't something you have the ability to facilitate or just aren't interested in doing... that's okay but it would be nice to know so we can pursue the possibility with other vendors.
Thanks.
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Welcome to the forum, Eddie. Hope all goes as best as it can for you there. Looking forward to seeing the frame.
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Sitar-Ned:
Yeah, it would be okay for us to offer you guys in the forum a discount price.
Once the last price decided, i will show it.
Scourge:
Thanks, we would do our best.
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Hi Eddy and welcome to the forum!
Can you clear rear shock size please? You spec metric 210x55; have you checked it on the 3D sample? Ask you because if every measurement come from the Hightower2, it should be 210x52,5
Don't want to buy a wrong shock, or find myself in trouble with a poor engineering frame(like I'm these days)
And speed up production ;D
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Pretty sure the Bronson uses a 210x55. I wouldn’t expect them to say it’s an exact clone to the Hightower so the nuances probably allow for a difference in the shock. I already have a 210x55 so I hope it’s right haha.
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Eddy, Thanks for joining up. Everyone else has already brought up any questions I had. I just wanted to quickly say I hope you stay healthy throughout the virus ordeal. While we are all very excited to see the new details about the frame, nothing is more important than your health, and that of your coworkers and families. Wishing you all the best through this scary time. I'll try and be patient.
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Hi Eddy, wishing you and your family the best during this difficult time. Thank you for all that you have done to help us get information on this awesome new frame!
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I have just ordered a DVO Topaz T3 210x55 for this frame...it could be reduced in stroke at 2,5mm increments in the case.
Waiting for DVO tuning setup (number of bands in air chambers), I'll post here soon.
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DVO customer support is great as usual! They just dropped an email.
Following is suggested setup for this frame (I asked for Santa Hightower 2) based on 75/80 kg rider weight
2 spacers in positive and one in negative
195psi approx. to get 30% sag at bottom of logo
Rebound 5-7 clicks CCW
Hope this help someone. Topaz shock is really well made, easy to tune, have a bladder in reservoir(instead of an IFP) tuneable by air pressure to play with bottom out feeling
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I am definitely interested on this frame. If the price is correct, I will get one and just put all the components from my current Ican P9 build.
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I am definitely interested on this frame. If the price is correct, I will get one and just put all the components from my current Ican P9 build.
Just curious. What makes it so much better than the P9 ?
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Oh, absolutely not so much better!
With frames at this prices, and given that i can use straight all my current components, i wouldnt mind trying this frame. Then sell the one that i like the least!
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Thanks for your care and wishes, yeah, now the virus have been controlled, the factory being produced again.
And all mountain AM831 frame rear shock is 210*55mm. totally right.
Fork travel and frame travel, both 150mm.
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Thanks for your care and wishes, yeah, now the virus have been controlled, the factory being produced again.
And all mountain AM831 frame rear shock is 210*55mm. totally right.
Fork travel and frame travel, both 150mm.
Great to hear things are going better!
Can't wait to see this beast coming out of mold
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Thanks for your care and wishes, yeah, now the virus have been controlled, the factory being produced again.
And all mountain AM831 frame rear shock is 210*55mm. totally right.
Fork travel and frame travel, both 150mm.
Your website still lists it as 140mm travel frame.
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@Eddy
what diameter seatpost does it have?
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Comparing the geometry of the hightower vs the tallboy, other than wheelbase (1232mm vs 1211mm) nothing is drastically different, generally a couple of mm or less than half a degree. Do you think this frame could be run with 120mm travel front and rear to mimic the tallboy? Love the idea of a SC clone but have no need for 140 or 150 travel where I'm at.
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Comparing the geometry of the hightower vs the tallboy, other than wheelbase (1232mm vs 1211mm) nothing is drastically different, generally a couple of mm or less than half a degree. Do you think this frame could be run with 120mm travel front and rear to mimic the tallboy? Love the idea of a SC clone but have no need for 140 or 150 travel where I'm at.
You could probably do something like 130/130ish by running a 210x50 shock. Running a different eye to eye shock is purely speculative and could mess stuff up. If you go shorter than 150mm out front you're going to mess with the numbers too though. Steepen up HTA and STA, lower bottom bracket as well as a couple other things. The rear shock will not change anything really.
I'm guessing that this bike is going to be closer to 150mm out back if it is paired with a 210x55 shock, which is about what actual hightower owners experience when they long shock their bikes.
You can get service centers to swap between 210x55 and 210x52.5. It's not too tough and the hightower likes a custom tune anyway over what most aftermarket shocks come with so don't stress about buying the wrong shock.
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with a 210x55 shock it should deliver about 147/148mm of travel...I will pair with a 160 fork.
I agree with the idea of a short travel trail bike in the 130mm range.
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with a 210x55 shock it should deliver about 147/148mm of travel...I will pair with a 160 fork.
I agree with the idea of a short travel trail bike in the 130mm range.
I have been looking for that for quite some time but it just seems to be missing from the market.
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with a 210x55 shock it should deliver about 147/148mm of travel...I will pair with a 160 fork.
I agree with the idea of a short travel trail bike in the 130mm range.
I have been looking for that for quite some time but it just seems to be missing from the market.
this is the "do it all bike" imho, especially in 29" wheels; if not an enduro racer, 130mm pedal really well, go everywhere with a touch of playfulness and an active rider.
By the way, I have everything in house to build it on the enduro side, so that's the way I'll go, at least until summer; in July I'll race Enduro2 in french Alps (3 days of race with a team mate)...obviously if Europe sort out of coronavirus! Here in Italy from today we're allowed to move from home only to buy food or go to work (weekends every activity will close)
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I have been looking for that for quite some time but it just seems to be missing from the market.
I waiting on delivery of a TanTan FM10, the newest revision of the FM08. That will do 135mm with a 200x50 shock. The geometry is not quite as new-school as the hightower cone, but its still plenty aggressive. I'm planning on trying both to see which I prefer.
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I'm very interested in participating in the group purchase as well. Are there any updates on this?
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I have been looking for that for quite some time but it just seems to be missing from the market.
I waiting on delivery of a TanTan FM10, the newest revision of the FM08.
I'm also eyeing the FM10 and the Hightower clone. Please keep us updated on the FM10 :).
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I'm very interested in participating in the group purchase as well. Are there any updates on this?
Well, I guess we can start by getting a count of who's interested. Maybe we should start a separate thread and keep this one on topic: http://chinertown.com/index.php?topic=2891.new#new
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Yes, now we need to collect the information of how many people want to buy the FM-AM831 frame, then i can quote the bulk price sooner, thanks.
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@chetosmachine
The diameter of the seatpost is 31.6mm.
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Eddy, are the seat tube lengths listed on the website correct? Everything else seems to exactly match up with the Santa Cruz Hightower except this. If they are correct I would go large, but if they are incorrect and actually match Santa Cruz, I would think about XL.
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Anybody know the weight?
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Anybody know the weight?
They don't know it until first production frame will be ready, and I've been told by Eddy it's a matter of days.
In this days I'm forced at home due to Covid19, so I did some search about Hightower and lot of owners are running it with 210x55 rear shock without issues.
Big cans air shocks (Fox X2, Ohlins, Cane Creek) doesn't fit, about coils Cane Creek is fine and I've spotted on Instagram one running Fox DHX2.
Waiting news from Eddy for a chance to offer frame and rear shock combo, I don't know about options/prices so far
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If you were following that MTBR hightower threat, the CC DBinline coil does not in fact fit. The guy had the shock installed wrong, with it installed correctly he claims it rubs in all configurations.
I think lighter riders might be able to get away with coils on the hightower, heavy riders not so much. We will have to see if these things fair any different.
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I didn't notice that...so is a CC coil larger than a Fox one? Maybe it is.
I'll go with air shock, I love a playful bike behavior.
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Anybody know the weight?
They don't know it until first production frame will be ready, and I've been told by Eddy it's a matter of days.
In this days I'm forced at home due to Covid19, so I did some search about Hightower and lot of owners are running it with 210x55 rear shock without issues.
Big cans air shocks (Fox X2, Ohlins, Cane Creek) doesn't fit, about coils Cane Creek is fine and I've spotted on Instagram one running Fox DHX2.
Waiting news from Eddy for a chance to offer frame and rear shock combo, I don't know about options/prices so far
I highly doubt Haideli offering rear shocks would be cheaper. Indeed, I'd imagine the price for big brand shocks in China is significantly higher.
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I read somewhere about LightCarbon (or some other vendor) sell RS Super Deluxe around 280/300$, that's cheaper than what I can find online for sure.
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I was offered a RS super deluxe with my ican P9 at around 250 usd. No way to buy one unit in europe/states at that price for that price or near.
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If we could get the RS Super Deluxe for $250-300, this frame with the group buy would be a killer deal.
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I was offered a RS super deluxe with my ican P9 at around 250 usd. No way to buy one unit in europe/states at that price for that price or near.
ok, that's the kind or price I've heard of !
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Re: Cane creek coils thicker than fox
It depends on the weight of the spring. The few bikes I've seen on instagram or whatever seem to be on medium frames and therefore lighter riders. AFAIK the guy running the cane creek shock was also using a progressive coil. I don't know if those are any bigger or smaller than the others.
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Re: Cane creek coils thicker than fox
It depends on the weight of the spring. The few bikes I've seen on instagram or whatever seem to be on medium frames and therefore lighter riders. AFAIK the guy running the cane creek shock was also using a progressive coil. I don't know if those are any bigger or smaller than the others.
Progressive coil on the CC for sure...I'd thought all coils are of the same size, but I don't run any from the marvellous years 2k and freeride movement ;D
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About shocks, i bought a Sr Sountour Triair 3CR for 280eur on a bike shop, june 2019. They are still around that price, in shops. And i am quite sure that this shock has at least equal quality and performance of a RS.
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About shocks, i bought a Sr Sountour Triair 3CR for 280eur on a bike shop, june 2019. They are still around that price, in shops. And i am quite sure that this shock has at least equal quality and performance of a RS.
That shock is a "copy" of mine DVO Topaz T3, a great shock imho; online is around 290€ and I can suggest it on a budget bike build without loosing performance an tuneability.
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for the record, I've seen a Suntour Triair off Merida e160 with a cracked piston - either made too thin in the middle or there's an unfortunate stress riser
and Merida's local distributor wasn't helpful in arranging a replacement
no idea what's the actual rate of this particular failure
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About shocks, i bought a Sr Sountour Triair 3CR for 280eur on a bike shop, june 2019. They are still around that price, in shops. And i am quite sure that this shock has at least equal quality and performance of a RS.
That shock is a "copy" of mine DVO Topaz T3, a great shock imho; online is around 290€ and I can suggest it on a budget bike build without loosing performance an tuneability.
I think it's actually the opposite, the Topaz is a "copy" of the Triair but with a bladder instead IFP.
I will use a McLeod or a Triair (210x50 to get about 130mm rear travel), I'm still thinking about it.
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I haven't seen a fork offset in any of the info though the Hightower is based on a 42 or 44 mm offset.
Anyone think there would be much problem with a 51mm offset? I can't imagine it would change things all that much? So far I'm finding mainly 51 and 4X seems pretty rare though I'm looking at 2019 forks that are on sale.
Also, I assume they chose one set of dimensions and there won't be any type of flip chip or different linkages available. It looks like the dimensions are based on the high setting? I haven't ridden the Hightower but suspect that's what I would probably use anyways.
Wonder if there will be the little fender to help protect shock and linkage? Probably not, but I hope they at least include an integrated down tube protector.
Has anyone tried replacing the bearings in these frames with something high quality like the enduro bearings? Did you notice a difference?
And I probably should ask this somewhere else...but does the matte carbon hold up ok? Or does a gloss finish do better?
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About shocks, i bought a Sr Sountour Triair 3CR for 280eur on a bike shop, june 2019. They are still around that price, in shops. And i am quite sure that this shock has at least equal quality and performance of a RS.
That shock is a "copy" of mine DVO Topaz T3, a great shock imho; online is around 290€ and I can suggest it on a budget bike build without loosing performance an tuneability.
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I think it's actually the opposite, the Topaz is a "copy" of the Triair but with a bladder instead IFP.
I will use a McLeod or a Triair (210x50 to get about 130mm rear travel), I'm still thinking about it.
Suntour Triair was released later on 2019, DVO Topaz is on the market from 3 or 4 years! Haven't had a chance to put hands on a Triair
You're right about internal differences, Suntour work on a IFP
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I haven't seen a fork offset in any of the info though the Hightower is based on a 42 or 44 mm offset.
Anyone think there would be much problem with a 51mm offset? I can't imagine it would change things all that much? So far I'm finding mainly 51 and 4X seems pretty rare though I'm looking at 2019 forks that are on sale.
Also, I assume they chose one set of dimensions and there won't be any type of flip chip or different linkages available. It looks like the dimensions are based on the high setting? I haven't ridden the Hightower but suspect that's what I would probably use anyways.
Wonder if there will be the little fender to help protect shock and linkage? Probably not, but I hope they at least include an integrated down tube protector.
Has anyone tried replacing the bearings in these frames with something high quality like the enduro bearings? Did you notice a difference?
And I probably should ask this somewhere else...but does the matte carbon hold up ok? Or does a gloss finish do better?
frame should have a flip chip on lower linkage, but I'm waiting a confirm from Eddy too.
About frame protections: asked Eddy, he told me to wait until first frames will be ready...but usually chinese frames doesn't have them.
I've ordered a chainstay+ seatstay guard and rear shock fender from a Santa Cruz dealer; they're pretty cheap. As soon I'll have my frame, I'll mold a downtube protector from a sheet of Kydex and double tape it to the frame.
As a new geo frame, it's designed around 44mm forks rake: I'll run mine on a 160mm Ohlins sporting a 46mm.
Going with a classic 51mm rake should slow a bit in turns and directions change, probably a little more stable on straight riding.
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Thanks for the reply.
I've seen some with downtube protection and some without. Any suggestions on using kydex? I have a little experience with it making knife sheaths but used a homemade press to mold it around the knife.
I've been looking at a '19 RS Yari RC which is 51mm offset. I'm trying to stay on the cheaper side but will keep looking if 44mm will be noticeably better.
That will be great if it has a flip chip but it probably won't affect my decision, just a nice surprise.
Need to also find a rear shock but hoping they will be able to offer a RS to purchase with frame.
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frame finish: unpainted carbon is always covered with a matt or gloss clear coat to protect it.
I'll go with a raw (non clear coated) one because I'll paint it DIY with 2K spray paints.
As for fork choice, I had experience with Pike, Lyrik, DVO Diamond and XFusion. If I were you I would look for some discount next months: 2021 models will come soon and due to international crisis some big shop has just started with big deals.
By the way I would stay in the 44mm rake.
Kydex
I've never used it yet, just arrived in my hand and will try to make a fork fender out of it, to make some practice.
Downtube protector will be molded direct onto the frame before I'll paint it.
Will shape it in the right size with cutter/Dremel, heat as per instructions and place on downtube.
I think mine will be longer than Santa Cruz one.
If someone won't go for Kydex or drill and rivet the frame to fit the originalprotector, RockGuardz have a carbon skid at 40£.
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The tri air is a solid option for the price though it's only available in 210x50 as I was looking to buy one for my Ican p9. I can recommend the sr suntour durolux fork and those do go on sale often. For the price, they're an awesome fork. The kydex is really simple to work on. Just oven the piece for a few minutes, mould it on the bb/downtube then ziptie to hold.
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IMO the yari is a great budget fork. I wouldn't worry too much about the Fork offset if its a decent price jump. I'm sure I'll keep running my factory 36 in 51 offset.
For down tube protectors there's lots of options out there... You can do custom ones or just find a brand that's pretty close. I find the Rocky Mountain ones stick pretty nice to most bikes. If not, the off the shelf "carbon protector" kits are pretty darn good these days anyway.
The problem with my last chinese bike wasn't the bearings, it was the frame hardware. It was made of butter metal. You can certainly replace all the bearings with enduro bearings and some lighter riders will almost certainly appreciate the difference long term, but finding the hardware will probably be something more of us will need to do. Time will tell.
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The tri air is a solid option for the price though it's only available in 210x50 as I was looking to buy one for my Ican p9. I can recommend the sr suntour durolux fork and those do go on sale often. For the price, they're an awesome fork. The kydex is really simple to work on. Just oven the piece for a few minutes, mould it on the bb/downtube then ziptie to hold.
Sr Suntour list the Triair also in 210x55 on their official website
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@Jotegr
you're right about hardware concern, but from my experience they improved this with last model released. I'd love to swap all hardware with titanium.
We have to put hands on this frame to check for it, but could be possible that original Hightower hardware fit
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The triair 210x50 and 55mm are the same shock, there's a 5mm white block that limits the travel. I understand Sr Sountour is the manufacturer of DVO products.
Here you can see several pictures of the shock, including the travel limiter:
https://www.foromtb.com/threads/amortiguadores-sr-suntour-unair-duair-triair.1320391/page-10
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thanks for sharing that link! Only difference seem to be the pressure range in the piggyback: 170/200psi DVO and 190/240 Suntour.
Sr Suntour manufacture for DVO and many other brands, as the biggest company in the market.
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Well, the system in the piggyback is also different, with a bladder on the DVO and an IFP on the triair, which could explain the different pressure ranges for both.
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Well, the system in the piggyback is also different, with a bladder on the DVO and an IFP on the triair, which could explain the different pressure ranges for both.
sure, as told before! Bladder should deliver a slightly better transition than a floating piston and reduce cavitation
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Any real sample pictures?
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Any real sample pictures?
Not yet! It should be matter of days, stay tuned
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I wish the Marzzocchi Bomber Z2 would work for this frame. That's what I'd like to use, but it only goes up to 140mm. That stinks.
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You could use a 140mm fork with no issue for sure....
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I wish the Marzzocchi Bomber Z2 would work for this frame. That's what I'd like to use, but it only goes up to 140mm. That stinks.
It will work fine, probably best cupled with a 210x52,5 rear shock (140mm) instead of full stroke 55
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I haven't looked up the numbers yet, but wouldn't the shorter axel to crown mess up the geometry?
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I haven't looked up the numbers yet, but wouldn't the shorter axel to crown mess up the geometry?
Z2 Bomber @140 is 552mm axle to crown
Lyrik @150 is 562mm axle to crown
10 mm on this kind of frame is about 0,5° steeper headtube angle, so not a big difference; you can run a pair of offset bushings on the shock and reach original setting.
Only concern is about ground clearance (pedal strikes), infact Santa Cruz about the MT says 150 minimum recommended fork, although 160 is fine.
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I don't even know if a lot of riders could tell the difference. If I had a 140mm Bomber z2 at home and was buying this bike (with intention to run a 150mm fork), I would be hard pressed to shell out for a different fork. That said, if you don't own anything now then it's probably better to pick up a Revelation/Yari or maybe a take off Fox Performance 36 or something.
I'm personally planning on running mine at 160mm front, else it will be too close to my other bikes. If you were thinking 160mm in your head, then perhaps 140 is indeed too short! As a note about offset bushings - there's a rumor that the santa cruz flipchip will be featured on this bike as well. If so, then no need for offset bushings unless you wanna go really low/slack.
I wonder if the upcoming cascade link would fit? If so, then we almost have a chinese megatower option!
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I think running this frame at nearly 150 rear and 160 front will be pretty spot on!
Great geo, playful behavior and great uphill capability.
I'm also curious about Santa's linkage compatibility, put my eyes also on Burgtec titanium screw set, Brit distributor have some nice upper linkage anodized bolts...I know Cascade is on a new project, is this to run 160mm rear in the HT?
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Supposedly the cascade thing will produce 157mm with a 210x55 shock. There's a guy saying on MTBR that it'll also increase coil clearance on some frames but that seems like a load of bunk to me, however I've been very wrong before. There are photos of a prototype on the hightower thread on MTBR installed on a bike with a DHX2. If I get a chance to test parts compatibility this summer I will. If a hightower rolls through the service shop when I have my Haideli there I'll see what I can do. If that circumstance does not happen, then I won't. I don't really want to be buying titanium hardware or cascade links on the assumption that they'll work though!
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The tri air is a solid option for the price though it's only available in 210x50 as I was looking to buy one for my Ican p9. I can recommend the sr suntour durolux fork and those do go on sale often. For the price, they're an awesome fork. The kydex is really simple to work on. Just oven the piece for a few minutes, mould it on the bb/downtube then ziptie to hold.
Sr Suntour list the Triair also in 210x55 on their official website
Maybe im looking at the wrong region but can't seem to find it. But like chetosmachine said we can remove the spacer.
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That's what I see on their website
By the way, removing internal spacer is a very easy job
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The tri air is a solid option for the price though it's only available in 210x50 as I was looking to buy one for my Ican p9. I can recommend the sr suntour durolux fork and those do go on sale often. For the price, they're an awesome fork. The kydex is really simple to work on. Just oven the piece for a few minutes, mould it on the bb/downtube then ziptie to hold.
Sr Suntour list the Triair also in 210x55 on their official website
Maybe im looking at the wrong region but can't seem to find it. But like chetosmachine said we can remove the spacer.
Christ almighty to you Aussies get hosed on stuff if that SR suntour shock runs nearly 700 dollareydoos there.
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The tri air is a solid option for the price though it's only available in 210x50 as I was looking to buy one for my Ican p9. I can recommend the sr suntour durolux fork and those do go on sale often. For the price, they're an awesome fork. The kydex is really simple to work on. Just oven the piece for a few minutes, mould it on the bb/downtube then ziptie to hold.
Sr Suntour list the Triair also in 210x55 on their official website
Maybe im looking at the wrong region but can't seem to find it. But like chetosmachine said we can remove the spacer.
Christ almighty to you Aussies get hosed on stuff if that SR suntour shock runs nearly 700 dollareydoos there.
Welcome to Australia!! was able to get the durolux for 524usd/750aud last year when our dollar was better.
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I wonder if the upcoming cascade link would fit? If so, then we almost have a chinese megatower option!
Interesting, I hadn't heard of this. So it adds travel and allows you to run a coil shock? That would be a pretty sweet option to have.
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Cascade links add travel and progressiveness to SC frames - they have released options for the megatower, bronson, and nomad already. You don't have to run a coil with them but lots of people do. They're currently testing a version of the link for the hightower, reported to increase travel to 157mm and it's unofficially claimed to give more coil clearance.
Personally I find the coil clearance claim dubious as there were pretty big issues on XL and L+XL CC frames. I'm not sure how the link will magically create more tunnel clearance on these frames but I'm ready to be surprised. Moreover, I'm going to have to assume the carbon dimensions on this bike will be somewhat different, even if the pivot placement/geometry is the same. So if the links are fully compatible, we might run in to issues anyway or this might have more coil clearance than the SC in general. We just don't know til we have hands on.
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I agree... there will almost certainly be some structural differences in the mold around the pivot/linkage as there is already a difference in the top tube. I'm assuming the Cascade link won't fit but it's something to look into once we get final examples.
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Got first replay after months today from eddy with an New pictures attached!
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finally the real thing appeared!
Very nice, but from lower link we can say there's no flip chip in there.
Not a big deal for me
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Are you sure? If you look in the picture of the frame in the other thread, there is a linkage in the background that looks to be slotted at one end.
Also, why are the holes for the axels in the rear swingarm so big? Look a lot bigger than a 12mm axel and even bigger than the other holes with a pocket for a bearing.
I hope the production version gets a BSA insert with the USCG mount. I much prefer a threaded BB than a press fit and doubt I'm the only one. Don't know if the mold allows that change to be made or if it's a done deal once the mold is made?
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Are you sure? If you look in the picture of the frame in the other thread, there is a linkage in the background that looks to be slotted at one end.
Also, why are the holes for the axels in the rear swingarm so big? Look a lot bigger than a 12mm axel and even bigger than the other holes with a pocket for a bearing.
I hope the production version gets a BSA insert with the USCG mount. I much prefer a threaded BB than a press fit and doubt I'm the only one. Don't know if the mold allows that change to be made or if it's a done deal once the mold is made?
hole for the rear axle is so big because derailleur hanger is one piece with axle thread, just like Hightower and other Santa Cruz have nowadays.
A recessed spot for flip chip should be on the lower linkage at the shock mount hole.
Asked eddy about BB and BSA is available for order from 30 pieces, but I think for size, so we're not able to reach this point.
In my opinion I'm ok with pressfit, never had troubles in years.
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I really would like to have a BSA BB. The flip chip isnt so important, there's offset bushings to do the trick, but would be nice.
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Why? Just pick up a wheels mfg thread in press fit BB. They're fantastic.
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@Eddy, could you send more pictures/ tell any more news?
Regards
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Would anyone be able to share a thought if this could have 27.5 wheels fitted? 29 - 160mm fork. (with a 2.5 tyre.)
Think that would work?
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If this shares similar rear tire clearance with the standard hightower then you're out of luck for sure.
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You may have some ground clearance issues too!
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Here’s a little somethin somethin
(https://i.imgur.com/MVjYC81.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/enG7Iu4.jpg)
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Does anyone have first hand knowledge of whether these paint jobs are worth it? How much cost and weight do they usually add? Any alternatives? Thanks
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I can't answer much as far as weight goes. Probably around the same as most non-premium/specifically light paint options. My first chiner was painted just fine. Colour + clear coat like anyone else.
I THINK the basic colours are included in the price for this, but don't quote me on that. In the past I paid another 80 bucks for a simple custom paint job (several years ago).
Your other options are to have them clear coat it, which will be lighter than paint. I don't know if they will ship without clearcoat or with primer only. You need SOMETHING on there or the carbon will yellow and get shitty over time.
Other than that you can pay someone for a custom paint job (usually high hundreds to thousands of dollars) or DIY.
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Ok, can we generally assume that the color ways are matched to SC’s? It’s hard to tell from the photo provided if they are, especially without proper color matching. Ie. the blue on the 2020 SC Hightower seems similar to the blue #6 provided by Eddy, but darker. Hard to tell without knowing the white balance levels of the photo.
Also, as a first frame up build this is slightly daunting with unknowns and hearsay. For instance, is it better to just buy your own hardware (headset, bearings, shock bolts) for these frames? It is mentioned several times about the low quality metal provided, guys with shock bolts getting bent after a season etc.
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Ok, can we generally assume that the color ways are matched to SC’s?
Also, as a first frame up build this is slightly daunting with unknowns and hearsay. For instance, is it better to just buy your own hardware (headset, bearings, shock bolts) for these frames? It is mentioned several times about the low quality metal provided, guys with shock bolts getting bent after a season etc.
I think we can safely assumed they are in no way matched to SC's colours in any way.
We'll see about that second point. Some people will have problems, some won't. There's a lot of unknowns around this frame as none of us have done any builds at all so far. On the bright side, if we do indeed get thirty or more of us to get one of these, we'll have a solid community to solve any problems that crop up.
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I'm a little confused about choosing a color. Are we limited to the 14 color choices Eddie provided? Or are other colors a possibility also? If others are an option.where can I see them.
I was under the impression that the headset and bottom bracket came with the frame. I assume these will be installed already. Is this correct?
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I can't speak to haideli specifically, but most of these guys can spray pretty much any colour. They have paint guns, a large paint collection and scales to make it happen. MAYBE some might not have the capacity to do some of the more exotic stuff like chameleon or marble effects, but for 95% of paint jobs I'm willing to put money down that if you're willing to pay, they can do it. They paint bikes for a ton of real brands, after all. They're subcontractors of subcontractors half the time. The 14 there are the stock ones that are either cheap or included. Ask Eddie when it comes time to order if you want something custom or different, and he'll give you a price.
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Good info. I re-read the first page of the bulk buy thread, and Eddy says they accept Pantone codes for paint. For anyone that wants the sweet blue color that SC uses, the paint code is PMS 2153c.
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I'm a little confused about choosing a color. Are we limited to the 14 color choices Eddie provided? Or are other colors a possibility also? If others are an option.where can I see them.
I was under the impression that the headset and bottom bracket came with the frame. I assume these will be installed already. Is this correct?
Probably won’t come with BB as those are crank specific. Should come with headset but you install that as you’re installing the fork.
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Anyone know when the frame will be ready for Sale/Shipping?
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Anyone know how to find out what color orange this is?
https://images.app.goo.gl/auqefGgNTcNvaVES6
Or this baby blue color?
https://images.app.goo.gl/3CAudtumRaqF5t998
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That orange looks like it might be a 'prismatic' color that shifts color depending on the angle. But I haven't seen it in person and that is a guess. The blue would probably be easier to match. It's hard to pin down because it depends on the screen and brightness that it's viewed on, but PMS 636 C looks pretty close to me...
(https://www.myperfectcolor.com/repositories/images/colors/MPC00379888-2.jpg)
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That is pretty close
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I am personally in love with Yeti's turquoise, which is RAL 5018. But that baby blue is very nice, like Evil's blue.
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I was looking thru another thread and saw a beautiful bike and sent a message and found out its pantone code PMS 021 C. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting his picture. He also said that he got a matte finish and he would probably get glossy if he did it again...
(https://uc5b08e7304cfa583d642e3a722b.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/cd/0/inline/A2MNPKTcGaY6B97O1bIqTCnZ1G9YxuLfMQLkC_LWnXCeX5xQwa3MNZ3t2e_R_CHTD7JpY6Asy3czyv1qnXmLEfvzqgwgTWYRIldX1cdsiztfdApd2SiLJzTrH0FHpFQcFWo/file#)
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I was looking thru another thread and saw a beautiful bike and sent a message and found out its pantone code PMS 021 C. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting his picture. He also said that he got a matte finish and he would probably get glossy if he did it again...
(https://uc5b08e7304cfa583d642e3a722b.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/cd/0/inline/A2MNPKTcGaY6B97O1bIqTCnZ1G9YxuLfMQLkC_LWnXCeX5xQwa3MNZ3t2e_R_CHTD7JpY6Asy3czyv1qnXmLEfvzqgwgTWYRIldX1cdsiztfdApd2SiLJzTrH0FHpFQcFWo/file#)
Where is the picture?
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That orange looks like it might be a 'prismatic' color that shifts color depending on the angle
Do you have some more information about this ?
Is it a powder that is added to any paint color or a special second coat ?
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I work at a Trek dealer
Radioactive orange is not a colour shift colour. Could be the lighting on that frame.
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I was looking thru another thread and saw a beautiful bike and sent a message and found out its pantone code PMS 021 C. Hopefully he doesn't mind me reposting his picture. He also said that he got a matte finish and he would probably get glossy if he did it again...
(https://uc5b08e7304cfa583d642e3a722b.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/cd/0/inline/A2MNPKTcGaY6B97O1bIqTCnZ1G9YxuLfMQLkC_LWnXCeX5xQwa3MNZ3t2e_R_CHTD7JpY6Asy3czyv1qnXmLEfvzqgwgTWYRIldX1cdsiztfdApd2SiLJzTrH0FHpFQcFWo/file#)
Where is the picture?
That is a good question. It was showing up right after I posted but now it's not for me as well. Will try again...
(https://uc88d32ebe4e206d9892294d1a44.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/cd/0/inline/A2St6lVWOODfRi0LtlQNj-XJqZsZ5zOEsosehmjjjIJ65fbL-BYTe91M9HqjaOS9Kl0kfHjExkxwoZA1eSlaKX4qLA9Y_VipJMav6WW5j1iX8MB7MxiMzTE3heCybshW4kw/file#)
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I like that orange a lot. But I wonder if it's a little darker in real life. I might go with that, or maybe a little lighter.
Of course that depends on the cost of painting it. I'm not opposed to just carbon black.
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From what I've seen others say, a solid color is around $100.
Since the topic of paint has come up, does anyone know if a matte frame is sprayed with clear coat which will provide some protection and help keep the epoxy from yellowing? Or is it the finish that it comes out of the mold with?
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I have never, ever heard of a Chinese frame shipped without a UV protecting clear coat at the minimum.
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That's good. I only asked because I've seen pictures of new matte frames that look like they have mold release on them. And Light Bicycle's Recon Pro rims say they come out of the mold in their finished state. That's probably not the same thing and they use a special epoxy with UV blockers. But it got me wondering...
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That's good. I only asked because I've seen pictures of new matte frames that look like they have mold release on them. And Light Bicycle's Recon Pro rims say they come out of the mold in their finished state. That's probably not the same thing and they use a special epoxy with UV blockers. But it got me wondering...
We Are One carbon rims and bars also come out of the mold in their finished state, no need to use a UV protecting layer on them either. So the tech is out there for that stuff, just haven't seen it applied to frames. Yet.
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Any updates?
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Any pictures?or only 3d printed plastic frame on page one?and another without hole for shock?Any updates...one would expect more for 33.000$ how much is 55 frames people want to order...Hellllllooooo Mr Eddy
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Any pictures?or only 3d printed plastic frame on page one?and another without hole for shock?Any updates...one would expect more for 33.000$ how much is 55 frames people want to order...Hellllllooooo Mr Eddy
Go to page 15 for more pictures.
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Any pictures?or only 3d printed plastic frame on page one?and another without hole for shock?Any updates...one would expect more for 33.000$ how much is 55 frames people want to order...Hellllllooooo Mr Eddy
Go to page 15 for more pictures.
maybe another web site for real frame
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What did he say, how far is it? Hard to make out exactly what they did without seeing the hardware.
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Dear All of the friends:
Sorry for the delaying of the production, now updated the newest picture and progressing.
Now only 15" sample being finished, and the testing passed, without any problem.
Attached some pictures for reference.
It is BB92 bottom bracket for the BB.
And the weight is around 2335g for the size 15".
Tire: 29er 2.4"
Thru axle: 12*148mm
Any more information needed, feel free to let me know, i will checking ASAP.
Thanks
Eddy
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Thank you for new pictures Eddy...any expectations when other sizes will be available?
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Any pictures?or only 3d printed plastic frame on page one?and another without hole for shock?Any updates...one would expect more for 33.000$ how much is 55 frames people want to order...Hellllllooooo Mr Eddy
Go to page 15 for more pictures.
maybe another web site for real frame
Frame looks pretty good, but looks like it handles 27,5" wheels only, not 29"!
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Any pictures?or only 3d printed plastic frame on page one?and another without hole for shock?Any updates...one would expect more for 33.000$ how much is 55 frames people want to order...Hellllllooooo Mr Eddy
Go to page 15 for more pictures.
maybe another web site for real frame
Frame looks pretty good, but looks like it handles 27,5" wheels only, not 29"!
I have asked Eddy to check if it will take 27.5 + but they apparently don't have any 27.5 wheels to test with. He's looking into it.
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This frame is built to take both 27.5 and 29 correct?
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I have asked Eddy to check if it will take 27.5 + but they apparently don't have any 27.5 wheels to test with. He's looking into it.
Also very interested in this answer.
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Smallest frame size in some frames often don't do 700cc.
The 15" not taking them doesn't mean larger sizes won't.
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This frame is built to take both 27.5 and 29 correct?
If it takes a 29 it will take a 27.5 but the problem being that a normal size tyre, say 2.3, will drop the bb height down too much. It needs to be 27.5+ to get the bb height back up close to what it was designed for. The question is how big a 27.5 tyre will this frame take?
Maybe if those interested contact Eddy directly he will see that there are people other than me interested and he will organise to find out. In theory you should be able to work it out from the full CAD but it's always good to see in real life.
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Yeah be interesting to see what size tyres can be put on with 27.5.
Any updates on development progress Eddy?
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Notice how rear triangle do not have bent part from inside of seatstay in order to fit bigger tyre.....can we please have photo of a frame from this angle.
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It's pretty clear from the photos Eddie posted that it doesn't do that.
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It's pretty clear from the photos Eddie posted that it doesn't do that.
it is strange it can accomodate same size wheels like original hightower...
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Will this frame accommodate a press fit headset? Most of the Chinese carbon frames I have seen are for integrated headsets. I would like the option of an angleset if I so choose, (or not of course).
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Will this frame accommodate a press fit headset? Most of the Chinese carbon frames I have seen are for integrated headsets. I would like the option of an angleset if I so choose, (or not of course).
99% sure that this one will have an integrated one too ;)
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Hmm. Why do the Chinese frames all go the integrated route? The major manufacturers don't do this with mountain bikes. It seems like more of a road bike technology.
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Hmm. Why do the Chinese frames all go the integrated route? The major manufacturers don't do this with mountain bikes. It seems like more of a road bike technology.
cleaner optic. also most of the common/well known european bike manufacturers go with internal routing on their high end bikes...
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Which European mountain bike manufacturers use integrated headsets?
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I've a cube stereo that has one.
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None of the big USA companies that sell the majority of bikes use integrated headsets . Not Specialized, Ibis, Pivot, Trek, Santa Cruz, Intense, Scott, etc. . Nor do many of the Euro brands lie Canyon or YT. So I don't get why all of the Chinese frame makers do so. It doesn't look sleeker or better. It is lame.
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I have a Canyon, Intense and Specialized in my garage right now that all have integrated headsets.
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None of the big USA companies that sell the majority of bikes use integrated headsets . Not Specialized, Ibis, Pivot, Trek, Santa Cruz, Intense, Scott, etc. . Nor do many of the Euro brands lie Canyon or YT. So I don't get why all of the Chinese frame makers do so. It doesn't look sleeker or better. It is lame.
thats totally wrong. almost all bikes with carbon frames are using IS headsets. original santa cruz high and megatower too for example. even my 2009 ghost amr plus lector is using an IS headset.
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A friend of mine has an Intense Carbine that clearly has a headset cup protruding from the bottom of the head tube. Another friends Santa Cruz Nomad has a pressed in headset cup. Are you sure you are not mixing up Zero Stack with integrated?
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2017 Stumpjumper Pro - Integrated, 2019 Sniper SL frame custom build by me - Integrated, 2020 Strive CFR frame custom build by me - Integrated. A few friends this morning on our ride that I double checked - 2019 Spark 900 - Integrated, 2020 Enduro Elite - Integrated, 2019 Epic Evo Comp - Integrated.
Pretty sure that can all be corroborated with a simple web search, but you are absolutely wrong stating those brands don't sell integrated headset bikes.
Here's one link to start you off - https://intensecycles.com/collections/cross-country/products/sniper-trail-elite-build (https://intensecycles.com/collections/cross-country/products/sniper-trail-elite-build)
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Re: Chinese SC/AM831 Group Buy
« Reply #267 on: July 06, 2020, 06:34:35 AM »
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Since they posted they had a size small here, I've been doing a my own inquiries through Haideli to see if what would happen if I try to order 2 size smalls. Their first reply was that they had them in stock and ready to be painted and asked what colour I wanted.
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The S size is available.
Could you tell me what color and which country to send please?
We only ship by express now, because other standard shipping way is high cost and high risk of losing parcels.
After I confirmed the colour and destination, they sent me this.
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For the suspension frame, it is not in stock now.
other clients have paid and bought them.
and we still have make massive production now.
really sorry for this.
Could you change into other model please?
This suspension frame won't have massive production in this year.
Please know this.
XC029 and XC181 both available. and we can make chameleon color or other colors for you.
Joy Jiang | Sales & Marketing Manager ( Haideli )
So just a heads up for people who is hoping to getting a frame this year, or maybe even next year. Communication is very vague.
From experience in ordering frames from China/Taiwan, if the mould is there and were able to sell the frames, they should be able to fulfill the order with some lead time.
Something seems off about all of this. Could be a license issue and the mould won't be open to everyone? Who knows.
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http://www.winowsports.com/product/dual-suspension-150mm-travel-AM-Frame.html
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What's the difference between Winosport and Haideli? Anyone have a recommendation of which one would be better for quality or after sale support?
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Afaik they are business partners.
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So maybe moving the discussion onto something more positive, anyone start thinking of build specs yet? ;D
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So maybe moving the discussion onto something more positive, anyone start thinking of build specs yet? ;D
yep ;D but can´t decide if i go with a 150mm lyrik ultimate, pike or fox 36
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So maybe moving the discussion onto something more positive, anyone start thinking of build specs yet? ;D
Already got a FOX 36 160mm, a FOX DPX2 and a wheelset with Praxis AL32 rims.
Im thinking to build with Shimano M7100 drivetrain.
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I was thinking of trying the Advent X drivetrain on mine.
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I'm imagining a mullet build with this frame, with a 28-29 lb (>13.5kg) full bike weight with pedals. I'll probably go with a 160mm shock to rake it out a little further.
The tricky part, imo, is getting the right shock tune to buy (I want a RockShox Super Deluxe). Do we have a clue on how progressive this design is? Will a MegNeg fit, btw?
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I'm imagining a mullet build with this frame, with a 28-29 lb (>13.5kg) full bike weight with pedals. I'll probably go with a 160mm shock to rake it out a little further.
The tricky part, imo, is getting the right shock tune to buy (I want a RockShox Super Deluxe). Do we have a clue on how progressive this design is? Will a MegNeg fit, btw?
I would like to do the same actually, so as to be able to use my existing I9/Nobl rear wheel. Would be a huge saving to just buy a 29er front wheel. Any idea if this is a good idea with this particular frame? Was thinking 150 or maybe even 140 fork to offset some effect of the mullet setup since this bike is already super slack. I was surprised to hear you are trying to slacken it even more. I would like to run it mullet without making the bike slacker than it already is. I haven't really looked into the details yet.
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I would like to do the same actually, so as to be able to use my existing I9/Nobl rear wheel. Would be a huge saving to just buy a 29er front wheel. Any idea if this is a good idea with this particular frame? Was thinking 150 or maybe even 140 fork to offset some effect of the mullet setup since this bike is already super slack. I was surprised to hear you are trying to slacken it even more. I would like to run it mullet without making the bike slacker than it already is. I haven't really looked into the details yet.
I've attached the geo change just by over-forking to a 160mm Lyrik. Will calculate potential mullet numbers tomorrow after work.
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I would like to do the same actually, so as to be able to use my existing I9/Nobl rear wheel. Would be a huge saving to just buy a 29er front wheel. Any idea if this is a good idea with this particular frame? Was thinking 150 or maybe even 140 fork to offset some effect of the mullet setup since this bike is already super slack. I was surprised to hear you are trying to slacken it even more. I would like to run it mullet without making the bike slacker than it already is. I haven't really looked into the details yet.
I've attached the geo change just by over-forking to a 160mm Lyrik. Will calculate potential mullet numbers tomorrow after work.
Using my elementary math knowledge, the resulting geo of a mullet build with a 160mm fork would approximately be:
• Fork Height: 571 mm (RS Lyrik 29)
• Head Angle: 64.25
• Seat Angle: 75.75
• Wheelbase: 1203.3 mm
• Eff. Top Tube: 593 mm
• BB Height: 341.1 mm
• Chainstay length: same
• Headtube Height: same
• Reach: -1.7 mm
• Stack: +10.1 mm
Assumptions:
• Diameter difference between 27.5 and 29 in. wheels is at 38mm
• Tires to be used are exactly the same model, just different wheel size
• No flip chips or anglesets or offset bearings used
• Mullet defined as the 29 wheel being in the front and the 27.5 wheel in the back (duh)
Guys with engineering backgrounds may want to chime in and correct the above.
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Is it specified already if there is a flip chip or not?
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Is it specified already if there is a flip chip or not?
i hope and think that there is no flip chip ;D
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I would like to do the same actually, so as to be able to use my existing I9/Nobl rear wheel. Would be a huge saving to just buy a 29er front wheel. Any idea if this is a good idea with this particular frame? Was thinking 150 or maybe even 140 fork to offset some effect of the mullet setup since this bike is already super slack. I was surprised to hear you are trying to slacken it even more. I would like to run it mullet without making the bike slacker than it already is. I haven't really looked into the details yet.
I've attached the geo change just by over-forking to a 160mm Lyrik. Will calculate potential mullet numbers tomorrow after work.
Using my elementary math knowledge, the resulting geo of a mullet build with a 160mm fork would approximately be:
• Fork Height: 571 mm (RS Lyrik 29)
• Head Angle: 64.25
• Seat Angle: 75.75
• Wheelbase: 1203.3 mm
• Eff. Top Tube: 593 mm
• BB Height: 341.1 mm
• Chainstay length: same
• Headtube Height: same
• Reach: -1.7 mm
• Stack: +10.1 mm
Assumptions:
• Diameter difference between 27.5 and 29 in. wheels is at 38mm
• Tires to be used are exactly the same model, just different wheel size
• No flip chips or anglesets or offset bearings used
• Mullet defined as the 29 wheel being in the front and the 27.5 wheel in the back (duh)
Guys with engineering backgrounds may want to chime in and correct the above.
Thanks for the info!
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Patents are territorial and must be filed in each country where protection is sought. Do you know if Santa has VPP pantents in China?
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Are there any more photos of the frame?
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I think there's a pic of bigfoot riding it past a gathering of aliens being chased by ghosts.
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VPP patent expired, hence why VPP designs are coming out CN / TW now.
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Think its coming into reality.
I went ahead without the group buy.
Paid and now waiting.
It seems small is in production and there are units which is recently tested and done.
Jpg are too large to attach here
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Attached smallest
image
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Wow, thats definitely a BIG surprise. Lets see if everybody freaks out now :o
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There is reason to believe not all dealer has this frame. Demand vs supply reasons and group buy might not happen.
Try connecting the dots.
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Lets try this upload.. Again
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Well I'll be damned. BBR how much did you end up paying total and when do you expect it to be delivered? Time to start looking for parts again.
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An interesting development indeed! I'm thinking I won't get the L/XL now anyway as my personal plans have changed, but the S for the wife is still on the table. Keep us posted!
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Its uncertain when i'd be able to get my hands on it.
Logistics is compressed these days.
At the higher end of 7xx usd.Including axle, spare hanger and delivery.Credit card fees
Was told there are ready unit for small.
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Will share as it comes along.
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Will share as it comes along.
You ordered it bare carbon or with a custom painting ?
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Think its coming into reality.
I went ahead without the group buy.
Paid and now waiting.
It seems small is in production and there are units which is recently tested and done.
Jpg are too large to attach here
Where did you order?
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Could this be it?
http://www.winowsports.com/product/dual-suspension-150mm-travel-AM-Frame.html
Also, another German forum post that goes into detail of the frame
https://www.mtb-news.de/forum/t/china-rahmen-erfahrungen.807207/page-97
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Could this be it?
http://www.winowsports.com/product/dual-suspension-150mm-travel-AM-Frame.html
Also, another German forum post that goes into detail of the frame
https://www.mtb-news.de/forum/t/china-rahmen-erfahrungen.807207/page-97
Yes, Winowsports is acknowledged earlier in this thread or the group buy thread as another seller of the same frame
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Will respond back..waiting to ship. No paint and it aint winow.
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Is is cleared over raw carbon or are you going to paint it yourself?
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Stealth. I aint gonna say much untill i get the my hands on it. So it could be 2 weeks or so to be in my door.
Gonna give 27.5 or mullet a go.
Actually there is a number of frame out there like FS830 aka dwlink "ripmo clone" but there is no size S for me.
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Got the frame. Well built.
Clean inner moulding. Eps or whatever it may be called.
No photos yet, dont like the small size photo uploads here.
* dont really care if you wanna say " picture or it didnt happen"
I dont have a time line for this build and there is a need to slowly get the parts, but let me tell you its real and its well built. (not too refined) but there is workarounds, so its a good frame.
First off on its issues.
1st
Shock mount sizing. Very odd sizing.
Uses 30mm on frame side and 22.2 on the linkage side.
In reality its actual spacibg is 33 or 34mm on frame side and 22.3 on linkage side. So some spacers for the shock to mount is required.
Unlike the HT v2 2020 which uses 30mm at the linkage side.
Uses metric 210x55 or 52.5
2nd
Linkage shock mount bolt is hard to get in, it seems blocked by the rear swing arm. Have not figure a way to slide it in yet with dissemble the rear swing.
3rd ( *)
Dropper housing goes from down tube to seat tube (not an issue to me)
Notes:
Low/low compreesion tune for shock. Heavier rider needs medium tunes
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pics?
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Don't think anyone wants to bully you into pics, but man we'd love to see some.
Can't wait to hear ride impressions when you get it built up.
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Did your frame come with a flip chip?
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No photos yet, dont like the small size photo uploads here.
The forum software sets a default limitation that I've raised a couple of times now. I don't mind raising it again, no problem. Wasn't aware of it still being an issue.
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Ok, I just raised it again. Hopefully, that works for you. Feel free to DM me anytime.
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831 https://imgur.com/gallery/wpzdgP2
Size limit still too small. Every phone out there now has high resolutiin lense. 1mb wont cut it.
See the link above.
Edited:
Bearing was suspected to be pressed in too much. Hence pitted. Will get replacements.
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No flipclip.
Think max tyre is 2.4
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Thank you for the pictures! Please keep them coming as you continue the build.
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Will see how it goes. Its my 4th bike so i'll take my time.
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I'm gonna do my first build, so any info on the experience is appreciated.
Just based off where you are now, are you happy with the purchase?
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Damn the photos already 404'ed. I checked last night and you were like "photos later" and now this morning the photos are already dead! Haha!
I hope you're excited about your frame buddy.
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Its a good frame. Small kinks here and there.
Easily iron out. My take is this, these chinese chaps has come a long way. Had my cn frame as far back as 10 yrs ago. Some friends gave me the "look", didnt really care.
Long story short, Its my 3rd chinese frame over the decade.
All of 3 of it still works not a crack, but abit dated tho.
I can only forsee more cn frame with modern geo.
With each supplier having its own mold capability (frame capabililty) .. Eg carbonda.. And trifox...and this Am831 (not revealing the supplier but search and you will find ) Etc etc.
They will only get better and matured.
As far as i can tell this am831 and 830 is pretty spot on.
As someone mentioned, if only they could make a ripley dwlink type 140mm frame.
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As for your question.
What i usually do is:
1.teardown and regrease/repack everything
2.workaround what is needed.
3. Tighten up everything.
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I could have waited abit more.. For them to iron out the kinks. If its a popular frame.. Get it earlier before the carbon mould wears out..
It is what it is, for the price & its good value
This am831 rear swingarm is laterally real stiff..
Only question mark i have is the bearing longevity, however i am a pretty light guy.
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Here are the pics.
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Does yours have the kink on the top tube? Or is it more flat like the Hightower?
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I'll tell the truth.. Its my 6th bike. This 4th mtb.. Just got to find a way for it to blend in with the rest (of the bikes) without the wifey noticing it.. Hence the slow build.
Kink at the top tube.. Yes... Well i meant other type of "kinks"
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now you just need to tell us where you ordered it ;D
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Has anyone figured the supplier which bbr purchased it from? i've spoken to afew vendors with no response. Not sure as to why bbr would hide the retailer which he purchased it from(has every right to do whatever he wants). Allowing more people to purchase the frame would inevitably fix those "kinks" and help out the chinertown community in purchasing decisions?
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i hate to accuse anyone but it sure feels like a lot of the people that post in this forum are shills. I don't know the game but with so many people with low post counts and enthusiastic responses or leading question it feels sort of suspect.
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Take the red pill. If you can build a frame and buy parts for it. You can seek it.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600115599037/product.html?__detailProductImg=//s.alicdn.com/@sc01/kf/H8167d4d8ca29428fbe4e660809bc96f3L.jpg_220x220.jpg
Looks like the supplier might be Xiamen Carbon speed, based on the product description.
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Take the red pill. If you can build a frame and buy parts for it. You can seek it.
Sure.....
https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600115599037/product.html?__detailProductImg=//s.alicdn.com/@sc01/kf/H8167d4d8ca29428fbe4e660809bc96f3L.jpg_220x220.jpg
Looks like the supplier might be Xiamen Carbon speed, based on the product description.
Thanks av_rider for the link.
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Here is a link for those viewing on PC, not a phone. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-29er-full-suspension-all-mountain_1600115599037.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normal_offer.d_title.4966134e9Ep4tD
The company is Xiamen Top-fire Sports Equipment, not Xiamen Carbon Speed.
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Thank you for linking us up to the frame. This is worth looking at - just sent them a couple of questions. Like to know if head tube bearings are direct fit or cups? Hoping there cups so you can adjust heat tube angle. BB - can you confirm the travel at 150mm? Thanks
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Direct cups, you cant put an angleset on this, maybe with 9point8 slack-R you can, dont see a point going slacker than 65 degree. 160mm travel front , max 150 rear.
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Direct cups, you cant put an angleset on this, maybe with 9point8 slack-R you can, dont see a point going slacker than 65 degree. 160mm travel front , max 150 rear.
Agreed.... I've ridden a shitload of bikes, including many modern bikes with anywhere from 63.5 to 68 degree head tubes in the last year or so, and many, many more before that..... and I don't think head angle is actually as important/precise as people think it is. I could see someone maybe wanting a slight adjustment to go slacker than 65, but with the slack-r you have to drop it by over a full degree.
Aren't you people all talking about running 160mm forks on these? Won't that be slack enough?
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Running a 160mm fork will slacken the head & seat tube by 0.4 degrees.
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Wait, it's 150mm rear now? I thought it was 140mm.
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i hate to accuse anyone but it sure feels like a lot of the people that post in this forum are shills. I don't know the game but with so many people with low post counts and enthusiastic responses or leading question it feels sort of suspect.
I'm low in posts because I don't like gossip. I like us, as a community to work together for the benefit of all. In this case, the user choose not to share his source but thankfully someone else stepped up and provided that which is awesome.
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Agreed.... I've ridden a shitload of bikes, including many modern bikes with anywhere from 63.5 to 68 degree head tubes in the last year or so, and many, many more before that..... and I don't think head angle is actually as important/precise as people think it is. I could see someone maybe wanting a slight adjustment to go slacker than 65, but with the slack-r you have to drop it by over a full degree.
Aren't you people all talking about running 160mm forks on these? Won't that be slack enough?
Agreed gents. 65 is ample. Just waiting to hear back from their end and hopefully I can process an order
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Believe me, i have iron out some issue for future buyers.
Early adopters have to iron out some issues.it aint a software patch ::). I guess theres a few here which dont have the patience thus calling out a schill. ;D
It has come to a point these "open molds" aint open source anymore. There are supplier and there is the real manufacturer & behind that a designer/engineer which can make mistakes.
Everyone here ride a mtb.. Are you the type which helps on trail maintainance or the type which whines about the trail not manicured enough? Anyway..
Try reading my post again.. Take note of the points i've mention. Those points are my contribution.
Someone else will build this frame faster than i do..
No big deal to me but i do look forward to seeing it.
In no hurry to build this during the pendemic..alot of parts are sold out or in back order.
Ive got time 8)
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i hate to accuse anyone but it sure feels like a lot of the people that post in this forum are shills. I don't know the game but with so many people with low post counts and enthusiastic responses or leading question it feels sort of suspect.
I know what you are saying. Someone spruiking Trifox again. She is just learning about bikes but has posted pics of three different bikes she presumably owns, all Trifox.
Hi, hhhhh I just ordered a carbon frame from them, quality is good. The service people are very nice, and I like their paintings.
I am new here and just want to show some of my ideas and learn more about bikes, sorry about any inconvenience caused.
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Direct cups, you cant put an angleset on this, maybe with 9point8 slack-R you can, dont see a point going slacker than 65 degree. 160mm travel front , max 150 rear.
I haven't said this yet, thanks for sharing the info 8)
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I posted geo calculations on page 19 of this thread for:
- Upforking to 160mm
- Upforking to 160mm and using a 27.5" rear wheel but still use a 29" front wheel (a.k.a "Mullet")
http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,2840.270.html
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¨Hi This is a new frame, right now only S size is available.
Other sizes are coming in next year. thanks¨
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That's weird, S only? Why go there first? I'm curious if that is a true to size S or if that is a Santa Cruz medium.
What merchant had S available? The others said M (actually large) was coming first.
Either way, that might be the size I'm after. We'll see.
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¨Hi This is a new frame, right now only S size is available.
Other sizes are coming in next year. thanks¨
maybe JUNE 2021???
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I enquired about buying one. Only size Small available. All sizes will be available March 2021.
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Got the same reply. So lets wait another 6 month, no problem as long as they improve the build quality and get rid of the "kinks".
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Wait, it's 150mm rear now? I thought it was 140mm.
The Cruz' produced 140mm out back with 52.5mm of stroke. These are supposed to use 55mm of stroke, so they'll make more, right?
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The Cruz' produced 140mm out back with 52.5mm of stroke. These are supposed to use 55mm of stroke, so they'll make more, right?
I read somewhere the v2 hightower is 147mm if you run a 55mm shock, guess well know when the frames arrive :P.
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fyi. there are issues with the lower link bolts.
Where tightening the bolts would seize the link.
Waiting for T-F to resolve the issue.
Perhaps it could be only my unit.
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fyi. there are issues with the lower link bolts.
Where tightening the bolts would seize the link.
Waiting for T-F to resolve the issue.
Perhaps it could be only my unit.
What type of bolts are they? I have a couple of SC frames that will do the same thing and it's normal. You tighten the big through bolt up as tight as you can without causing too much drag on the link. Then you tighten up to locking collet / bolt. Just wondering if they are using the same style bolts as SC.
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That's weird, S only? Why go there first? I'm curious if that is a true to size S or if that is a Santa Cruz medium.
What merchant had S available? The others said M (actually large) was coming first.
Either way, that might be the size I'm after. We'll see.
This size S according to geometry is SantaCruz size M..
Merchant is from link above on Alibaba..
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This size S according to geometry is SantaCruz size M..
Merchant is from link above on Alibaba..
Yeah, I found that since I commended. Too bad they haven't replied past the initial contact in like 5 days.
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Nope there aint no collet at the other end. It aint SC.
They are probably, trying to iron out some production issue.
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Nope there aint no collet at the other end. It aint SC.
They are probably, trying to iron out some production issue.
Do you have any news for us ? :)
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I'm sure all the factories are slammed with OEM business. With all the hot new bikes out of stock, you know there are big orders for more.
Don't remember which bike executive it was, but he said they had no idea how long the surge would last, but they intended to ride it to the end. Said they were struggling to meet demand bcause of supply constraints across the board.
No reason to spend the resources on the AM831 when you're fully booked with OEM production.
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Still waiting for ratification. No conclusion yet.
Anyone else received thier frame yet?
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Still waiting for ratification. No conclusion yet.
Anyone else received thier frame yet?
Nope :( i need a size M. If it would be available, i would order it instantly. But still only s is available...
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Im after a small and they won't get back to me. Perhaps they are solving an issue with the original run that BBR had?
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Nope :( i need a size M. If it would be available, i would order it instantly. But still only s is available...
Where is a small size available??
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Where is a small size available??
A company on Alibaba. Linked earlier in this thread I believe.
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Where is a small size available??
https://app.alibaba.com/dynamiclink?touchId=1600115599037&type=product&schema=enalibaba%3A%2F%2Fdetail%3Fid%3D1600115599037%26ck%3Dshare_detail&ck=share_detail&shareScene=buyer
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https://app.alibaba.com/dynamiclink?touchId=1600115599037&type=product&schema=enalibaba%3A%2F%2Fdetail%3Fid%3D1600115599037%26ck%3Dshare_detail&ck=share_detail&shareScene=buyer
Seem like that link doesn't take me anywhere on both mobile and desktop
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Seem like that link doesn't take me anywhere on both mobile and desktop
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-29er-full-suspension-all-mountain_1600115599037.html
next try...
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This company told me that the frame is not available.
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This company told me that the frame is not available.
bbr got size s from that company. but it turned out that there are some issues. maybe they are working on that problems now...
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Think order books are open again. They have just spammed my box on the orders are open. Anyway just hope they steps up to my issues.
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Think order books are open again. They have just spammed my box on the orders are open. Anyway just hope they steps up to my issues.
yes, I just got a message too saying orders are open. I am curious about your issue though. I feel like I should ask about it? I don't want to buy one without your issue getting solved
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Yes, asked again and the frame will be available for pre order but it is very expensive... Frame, Headset, rear Axle, spare hanger and shipping to Europe it cost around 1000$!!
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I think the issue is each its own. So its hard for me to say what each frame issue will have. For me time and space wasnt on my side, i guess they rushed the asssembly of the frame and some precision is out. Eg bearing pressed in too hard and it was pitted. They say they will send a new link again.
The other imperfection is the width of the top side shick bushing mount. Easy remedy with some washer.
1000 usd? I guess its demand and supply.
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Its gonna be sometime before this frame is build. Its on a budget and reasonable priced parts with the right specification (within my requirements) are sold out.
Gotta wait.
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They finally replied to me with a price. It'll be around $1100 CAD all said and done. I'll have to think on it, my last FS chiner was quite a bit less than that. If it was tried and tested it might be different but I'm not sure about being a first adopter for this.
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This a vpp kinematic. Pretty sure any "previous" chiner aint a vpp.
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They finally replied to me with a price. It'll be around $1100 CAD all said and done. I'll have to think on it, my last FS chiner was quite a bit less than that. If it was tried and tested it might be different but I'm not sure about being a first adopter for this.
did you ask for a different size than size S ? i know that Flo7 needs a size S too.
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No, I'm looking at the small. That's all thats available so far.
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Pretty sure the Lexon Spark is a VPP frame.
This a vpp kinematic. Pretty sure any "previous" chiner aint a vpp.
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74 sta.
Perhaps i was not consice enough but i dont think there is a need to point out the specifics.
If that lexon could be 76 sta perhaps it can be a contender.
Looking closer, 45x cs.
Pretty sure the Lexon Spark is a VPP frame.
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Alright, fuck it. I'm going to pull the trigger.
Like BBR, don't expect anything fast. I'm ordering it raw with no clear coat - so that's going to take some time too even after I get it.
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Alright, fuck it. I'm going to pull the trigger.
Like BBR, don't expect anything fast. I'm ordering it raw with no clear coat - so that's going to take some time too even after I get it.
nice ;D thumbs pressed that it will be good/better than bbr´s frame. i didn´t got a reply since tuesday last week from lin...
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there is a new picture on the winowsports website :)
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Looks like seat post insertion length is half an inch
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I should have my p9 build done before the release this for sale ;D
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You say that, except BBR has one and I've got one on order now ;)
but generally all sizes? Who the heck knows!
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I'd seriously let them iron out the quality issues.
Till now they have not sent my replacement link.
And i think those in the NA or europe will need to fork out more due to the trade war.
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I'd seriously let them iron out the quality issues.
Till now they have not sent my replacement link.
And i think those in the NA or europe will need to fork out more due to the trade war.
Whats wrong with your link ?
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Linkage machining which leads to bearing being pressed in either too deep or pressed too hard and this pits the bearing.
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Linkage machining which leads to bearing being pressed in either too deep or pressed too hard and this pits the bearing.
oh man, thats pretty stupid :(
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And Some other aligment issues which i had to use 1 mm washer to fill the gaps.
Not sure if the engineers are amatuers/newbies...
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And Some other aligment issues which i had to use 1 mm washer to fill the gaps.
Not sure if the engineers are amatuers/newbies...
i hope they solved that. otherwise i need to mill myself a new link... stupid shit...
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Hello everyone !
I know that i am a bit late but... Never too late to try.
Is it still possible to add one more order in the pile ?
Thx & Regards ;)
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Hi guys, topfire is accepting new orders rn. Any of you received the frame recently? And if yes, were the kinks fixed?
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So far I'm only aware of BBR and myself actually having ordered these things, and they're the only one who's received one. I think it'll still be a long time before mine shows up!
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So far I'm only aware of BBR and myself actually having ordered these things, and they're the only one who's received one. I think it'll still be a long time before mine shows up!
Thanks. I'm still waiting for a review from you guys before pulling the trigger.
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Sent a message to topfire. Production is starting after chinese new year for larger sizes. Price is 680usd. 10pcs less $30 50pcs less$50.
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https://m.alibaba.com/product/1600116945367/2020-new-29er--full-suspension.html?__sceneInfo=%7B%22cacheTime%22%3A%221800000%22%2C%22type%22%3A%22appDetailShare%22%7D
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I wonder if these are like the Hightower and too tight to fit a coil shock, or if it's like the new 5010 where coils fit fine.
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Dear All:
Really thanks for your supporting of our frame FS-AM831 Enduro Full Suspension bike frame.
Now we have totally confirmed the production time, it would be bulk production on April, and 200 sets would be available in raw marerial around the middle of May.
And we got the bulk order price for you guys.
30 sets, USD540/set( item included frame, headset, BB, thru axle， clamp), not included custom fee, painting and shipping fee.
50 sets, USD499/set( item included frame, headset, BB, thru axle， clamp), not included custom fee, painting and shipping fee.
Now we want to collect the order, since some customer got the different color painting and size.
And the customers from different countries. the shipping way would be differece, we got the shipping, HKEMS, China Post, DHL, WXY( free custom fee）available.
For the painting fee is USD20 for one color(we got the color chart), and USD50 for the chameleon green/purple color, and if you got the customized decals, then please feel free to contact me for the best price.
Any question or help, feel free to let me know.
To collect the order, please feel free to contact me via email and now can be paid the deposit.
Aslo can be chat on wechat, +86 18475368733
email: eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Waited for you good news.
Thanks
Eddy
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Interesting frame, would love to buy one, but looking at the drawings and photos, I wonder if the adjuster on a boost fork will clear the downtube, or if it has similar problems as the highball-clone?
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Figured I'd add this here in case anyone missed it in the other threads.
Just a quick note about sizing. The AM831 runs a size larger than the SC. A medium 831 is the same size as a large SC. Below are the numbers for both frames.
If you're unsure about sizing, here's the link to the SC page. https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/bikes/hightower
AM831
(https://i.imgur.com/8PNMGbt.jpg)
Hightower
(https://i.imgur.com/9o7kGJg.jpg)
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Okay i have decided to put in an order........ Now what? Can someone please walk me through how i go about send money and the shipping and all that jazz.
Thanks in advance. ;D
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Okay i have decided to put in an order........ Now what? Can someone please walk me through how i go about send money and the shipping and all that jazz.
Thanks in advance. ;D
Post in the stickied "831 Group Buy" thread at the top of the 29er section. Eventually you'll get an email from the vendor about options and then a PayPal invoice. About 2 months or so later, you'll get a frame.
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Please sent me the email for confirm the order details of the color and size.
Sorry that i would not be always online here, so email would be best.
If you want to add in group buy, please contact me immediately by email eddy@haidelibicycle.com
Thanks
Eddy
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Hi All!
I'm really interested in this frame, but I have a "huge" fear.
(And I don't want to put this to the GB topic)
As a saw the fully built bike on the pr photos, I immediately asked, will the fork crown hit the lower tube? And as I read through all of the am831 topics I'm just more confused and not sure want I push the "Buy button"?
I don't want to suck with IS headset externalizer cups if the adjust knobs will hit the frame.
Do you know about this issue anything?
Will they fix it in the actual production frames (different tube shape, different headset standard?
It would be nice to have answer from Eddy as well. :)
Thanks
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same concerns here preventing me committing.
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Has anybody actually gotten and built one of these? There are tons of posts about it but nobody seems to actually have one. I would really like to buy one but without reading from someone else that there aren't serious issues with it, I am apprehensive. Thanks in advance!
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One person previously ordered/received a size S frames. The adjuster on the fork will hit the down tube. No confirmation on other sizes and whether they have an issue. A spacer/higher race that adds about 6mm to height is available for ~$15 from different vendors.
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do you have a link to the spacer?
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Also, would using a 51mm offset fork as opposed to a 44mm offset make a difference as far as the fork clearing the frame? Just put in an order last night and want to make sure I order the correct parts for assembly.
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do you have a link to the spacer?
Here is a spacer from a local supplier. https://www.pushys.com.au/cane-creek-0-series-plus6mm-52-40mm-alloy-crown-race.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwv_2xbiV8AIVySFgCh2A1QVfEAQYASABEgJVI_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I tried looking on ali for one and couldn't find one but that doesn't mean they aren't there, just they call them something else.
If you google crown race spacer you should find some options local to you.
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Another option:
https://www.reverse-components.com/en/products/05%C2%B0-angle-spacer-tapered-forks
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I see the Hightower wont, but any idea if this close will fit an X2 rear shock?
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so as far as using a 6mm crown race spacer to remedy the fork adjustment knob clearance issue, is there a tool I can use to input how this will affect the bikes geometry? I am already planning on using a fox 36 with 160mm of travel instead of 150, which should be fine, and i don't think it will be a big issue to add an additional 6mm spacer to this, but want to make sure before ordering the fork. If it will present a significant issue, I will go with the 150mm fork with the spacer instead.
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You'll install it like any other crown race. It would be the equivalent of running a 166mm fork. It's up to you to decide if that's too much.
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Also, would using a 51mm offset fork as opposed to a 44mm offset make a difference as far as the fork clearing the frame? Just put in an order last night and want to make sure I order the correct parts for assembly.
Anyone have an idea ?
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so as far as using a 6mm crown race spacer to remedy the fork adjustment knob clearance issue, is there a tool I can use to input how this will affect the bikes geometry? I am already planning on using a fox 36 with 160mm of travel instead of 150, which should be fine, ....
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Also, would using a 51mm offset fork as opposed to a 44mm offset make a difference as far as the fork clearing the frame? Just put in an order last night and want to make sure I order the correct parts for assembly.
Won't make any difference.
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Thanks for all the help guys! Went with a 150mm fork just to be safe, and can always add the extra 10mm later on.
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strongly considering two of these for next year. Medium and Large. But not willing to compromise adding spacers to make a stock fork work with a stock frame.
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Hi everyone.
Is this frame compatible with a coil shock? I mean, that opening in the seat tube looks kinda small on some photos.
I saw a few questions about this earlier but there were no answers or I missed it.
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Everything so far says no on the coil shock. Also, no confirmation on whether medium and larger frames have any interference with the fork adjuster knob and the frame.
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I’m in for a large. I will find out how it goes with the fork clearance with a Lyrik 160mm.
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Everything so far says no on the coil shock. Also, no confirmation on whether medium and larger frames have any interference with the fork adjuster knob and the frame.
Personally for me no go on a coil is deal breaker. Well, there is always a P9 but those chainstays...
Though I'll keep an eye on the thread
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Everything so far says no on the coil shock. Also, no confirmation on whether medium and larger frames have any interference with the fork adjuster knob and the frame.
I'm getting a small and putting a 9point8 SlackR on it , it should avoid any contact to the frame and bring back the HTA to a 64ish , what I'm used to.
https://www.9point8.ca/index.php?route=product/product&path=124&product_id=261
Not cheap but I prefer this than the reverse component crown since it's slacken more.
Also, I know the frame is in production as of right now but has anyone has an E.T.A on when we should see frame popping up at people doorstep ?
cheers !
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I'm starting to collect parts now. I figure I may as well try a cheap set of Chinese cranks. Anyone know if this one will work? Anyone have any better suggestions?
US $14.03 46%OFF | Crank Set IXF 104 BCD CNC Bicycle Part With BB MTB / Road Without Tralight Bike Accessories Mountain Bike Crankset Crank Arms
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPixldJ
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I'm starting to collect parts now. I figure I may as well try a cheap set of Chinese cranks. Anyone know if this one will work? Anyone have any better suggestions?
US $14.03 46%OFF | Crank Set IXF 104 BCD CNC Bicycle Part With BB MTB / Road Without Tralight Bike Accessories Mountain Bike Crankset Crank Arms
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPixldJ
Reviewed many times on the tube. Trybo is probably the most thorough. He has reviewed other aliexpress parts if interested.
https://youtu.be/k9W17WLj130 (https://youtu.be/k9W17WLj130)
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This will be my first build. Any reason these cranks won't work?
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This will be my first build. Any reason these cranks won't work?
They will work but the bottom bracket coming with it might not , we’re still not sure if it’s bsa or bb92 yet I think, information is not clear...
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Do you mean the bottom bracket from Haideli may not work with these cranks? Or do you mean the bottom bracket that comes with these cranks may not work with the frame?
I was gonna use these cranks and the bottom bracket Eddie sends. Won't it already he in the frame?
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Do you mean the bottom bracket from Haideli may not work with these cranks? Or do you mean the bottom bracket that comes with these cranks may not work with the frame?
I was gonna use these cranks and the bottom bracket Eddie sends. Won't it already he in the frame?
I've read every post that Eddy-Haideli posted here and he confirmed the bb included is a BB92.
Here's the thing , is it a BB92 for shimano crank (24mm cranks like the one you want to buy), bb92 dub ? (for newer sram crank) or bb92 30mm for raceface and other.
My guess is that the BB92 provided is for 24mm sprindle diameter since it's pretty much 99% of crank available on AliExpress so to answer your question .
yes those cranks will work with the frame and also will work with the frame provided BB.
Only thing I would do is order a metal shimano crank bolt as the provided plastic one is crap and I broke so many of those
thanks
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Someone said that same think in one of the YouTube comment sections. He said search m19 crank to find the alloy bolts on AliExpress. Thanks for your help.
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Only thing I would do is order a metal shimano crank bolt as the provided plastic one is crap and I broke so many of those
They're plastic because they're only supposed to be torqued to "thumb tight". if you are breaking them you aren't following torque specs.
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They're plastic because they're only supposed to be torqued to "thumb tight". if you are breaking them you aren't following torque specs.
The one I had broke while torquing the pinch bolt on the side and not on torquing them by thumb.
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I ordered my frame from Eddy at Haideli on Wednesday. $720 shipped and painted and its expected to ship by the end of the month.
Very excited to build this bike!
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€ 880,05 | 2022 neue 29er Full suspension bike rahmen FS831 nur rahmen AM Rahmen Reise 150mm gabel reise 160mm carbon berg mtb bike rahmen
https://a.aliexpress.com/_uiOuoD
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Eh, I don't trust that fully. Go pay on there and you'll probably get a message along the lines of "your frame is ready next week. please allow some days for finishing production as this is new model".
I got a message July 14 saying my small would be ready in a week and they'd message me when. Lol.
Also, ouch that price.
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Eh, I don't trust that fully. Go pay on there and you'll probably get a message along the lines of "your frame is ready next week. please allow some days for finishing production as this is new model".
I got a message July 14 saying my small would be ready in a week and they'd message me when. Lol.
Also, ouch that price.
My assumption based on conversations I've had with different sellers when working on the group buy is that all these frames that match the 831 are coming from the same factory. I expect them to all start shipping about the same time. Hopefully that will be soon.
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Jotegr, they messaged you two weeks ago saying the frame will be ready in one week :o any update?
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No lol. But this is par for the course. It's been a month out for like 6 months at this point.
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No lol. But this is par for the course. It's been a month out for like 6 months at this point.
WinowCycle store on AliExpress which is tied to Haideli I think shows an estimate delivery of 06 september at the moment.
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On WinowCycle I have 19th of August expected delivery to my door (Italy). Anyway, it would be nice to have a clarification from Haideli about real shipping date. I can wait, but I don't like the attitude to add 15 days every 15 days. If they say September, I'm ok with that.
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Hello:
Have a nice day.
Really thanks for the supporting and understanding.
The shipping would be started arranged now for the groupbuy order, so if you got the change of the address, then please contact me by email ASAP.
eddy@haidelibicycle.com
And if have any new need for the frame, also feel free to contact me at any time.
Thanks
Eddy
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Dear All:
I am eddy the sales manager from Haideli.
By over serveral months efforts, the frame FS-AM831 all mountain frame being done.
We have made many tests ensure that in high quality and without issues.
Now being shipped to the customers, on the April and May we have made a groupbuy for the mold FS-AM831.
Some of you in Chinertown got the order and some missed it.
Do not worried, the New Groupbuy 30sets order being started.
First, we are really thanks for all the supporting and understanding of our working and goods.
Due to your help and patient, the frame finally being done, attached some customized painting for your reference.
The new groupbuy order price is USD679/set not included shipping fee.
Customized color and logo available.
For the shipping, we got Hong Kong Post(HKEMS), Some europe contry free tax shipping way (WXY), expressing shipping like DHL, FEDEX, UPS.
And payment for paypal, Banktransfer, Visa accepted.
If you got any question or order for the frame, feel free to contact me at any time.
Eddy@haidelibicycle.com
wechat: zhuyongeddy
Facebook: Yong Zhu
Whatsapp/ Tel: +86 18475368733
Many thanks.
Best wishes.
Eddy
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Coo;l bike frame. Which headset is this bike designed to use?
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Coo;l bike frame. Which headset is this bike designed to use?
Afaik it is a is42/52 tapered one.
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Afaik it is a is42/52 tapered one.
Integrated?
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Integrated?
is means integrated steerer, so yes. It is an integrated one...
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Has anyone tried a coil on this frame?
To those who've already built one with an air shock, would you say the shock feels progressive or linear?
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Has anyone tried a coil on this frame?
To those who've already built one with an air shock, would you say the shock feels progressive or linear?
no coil theres is no enough space you cant even run a x2
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Has anyone tried a coil on this frame?
To those who've already built one with an air shock, would you say the shock feels progressive or linear?
The suspension kinematics should be similar to a 2018-2021 SC Bronson which also used a 210x55 shock. Not everyone is happy with the stock SC shock tunes but they’re generally Low damping and about 2/3 of the way to a max volume spacer (2.5 tokens on the Super Deluxe, 0.4 or 0.6 spacer on a Fox shock).
So if I understand correctly: a little bit on the progressive side, to help compensate for the curved regression of the VPP system. But overall leverage is reasonable so you probably don’t want stock aftermarket Medium damping.
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And Some other alignment issues which i had to use 1 mm washer to fill the gaps.
Not sure if the engineers are amateurs/newbies...
The engineers are not very thorough. Check my analysis here: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3172.msg32493.html#msg32493