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Re: My Dengfu R12 - First Impressions and Video
Quote from: patliean1 on December 20, 2021, 10:02:47 AM
I'm building the 177 as I type this LoL. So far there are tangible differences between my Dengfu R12 and VeloBuild 177:

1. The EPS latex molding that VeloBuild uses on the 177 makes a HUGE difference when routing cables though the frame. No rough edges for the cables to catch on.

2. Velobuild seems to have put more "thought and care" into frame accessibility for cable management.

3. Paint quality is good although no real world tests yet obviously. Granted I did paint my Dengfu at home, but the VeloBuild paint is obviously better.

4. Overall VeloBuild paid more attention to smaller details. Dealing with them felt more like they were actually bike enthusiasts rather than just a company wanting to sell me a generic frame.

My first impressions video on the 177 will be later this week. I'll keep everyone posted

Thank you for committing your time and money into showcasing these internet darling independent bike brands. I think we're headed to a new golden age in cycling where there is more transparency in bike technology and less dependence on bike retailers.
December 20, 2021, 12:09:25 PM 		4
Groupset News Hey all, just wanted to share that L-TWOO has released their RX 2x12 road groupset.

I'm not sure if they've addressed the main criticisms surrounding their R9 2x11 road groupset (bad hoods, bad shifter clamp, etc.) but hey, an extra cog never hurt anyone!

Linked here are their two explainer videos detailing the shifters and derailleurs:
youtube.com/watch?v=epC3W9dV5bc
youtube.com/watch?v=I3B0vKva52k
December 20, 2021, 12:14:09 PM 		2
Re: Juin Tech GT-F brake calipers (dual piston) Hey everyone, I just discovered a new brand called Onirii.

They are like most other brands in that they sell some rebranded bits (Onirii Attack crankset is what appears to be a rebranded Fovno Thunder Pro) but what is most interesting is that they seem to have their own brake design.

While their BR-02 brake is in its 4th design iteration according to their marketing and appears to be a rebranded ZTTO unit, their new BR-05 brake appears to be a completely new design that no one else on the market carries.

EDIT: I think I’ve solved the mystery. ZTTO brakes are outdated rebrands of Onirii designs. ZTTO’s disc brake (the one without exposed pistons) is the 3th design iteration of the Onirii BR-02 while the ZTTO rim brake is a rebrand of the Onirii BC-01 which has since been succeeded by the BC-02. Also, ZRACE has started selling the Onirii BC-02 and BR-05 as the R700 and BR-005 respectively.

EDIT 2: The Attack crankset is based on the Thunder and not the Thunder Pro as it has a 24mm spindle as opposed to 29mm DUB.
January 27, 2022, 02:56:49 PM 		1
Re: Juin Tech GT-F brake calipers (dual piston)
Quote from: carbonazza on January 27, 2022, 11:17:12 PM
Not sure I understand, it is better to look at Onirii then?

There are multiple design iterations, at least with Onirii you’d be sure that you’re getting the latest one because they detail the differences in their product listings on Taobao. That being said, I’ve never bought or used anything from them so take what I write with a grain of salt. I don’t know if they actually perform well or not.

Regarding the versions with exposed pistons, it seems like that was actually the 2nd generation design done by a company called IIIPRO who produced them until Onirii took over the project.
January 27, 2022, 11:29:42 PM 		1
Re: Integrated Handlebar There is a new successor to The One from Pro Cycling System called The One Pro.
January 28, 2022, 12:29:20 AM 		1
Re: Juin Tech GT-F brake calipers (dual piston)
Quote from: carbonazza on January 28, 2022, 01:55:03 AM
I'm impressed. How do you find that much details about it ?

As I was working my way through Taobao listings and Bilibili videos, I noticed that Onirii only really came up in the 3rd and 4th generation designs. Mentions of IIIPRO tended to come up in earlier searches so I'm assuming that they're no longer in the picture or are simply less involved as far as current production goes. I would also say that you really have to use Taobao and Bilibili to find the newest and best components from China. For example the new VFV Deep-V seatpost and the super high end EXS bits can only be found for sale on Taobao. Only outdated lower end stuff tends to end up being advertised to international buyers on Aliexpress, Shopee, Lazada, etc.

EDIT: Okay so I got the story wrong. With exposed pistons: developed by IIIPRO. Without exposed pistons: developed by Onirii. Latest 5th generation: joint development between IIIPRO and Onirii.
January 28, 2022, 02:15:46 AM 		1
Re: L-TWOO RX 2x12 road groupset
Quote from: RDY on January 26, 2022, 06:02:24 AM
I'll be interested to see what gets announced by either them or others at the Shanghai Bike Show in May.  Pretty sure we'll see commercial availability of wireless electronic MTB drivetrains announced by a couple of brands.  Maybe 2023 for road.

According to Onirii, Sensah will release a groupset with electronic shifting and hydraulic braking in 2022.
January 28, 2022, 09:09:57 AM 		3
Re: Titanium bolts They’re not cheap but I quite like the titanium screws from S-PARTS. I’ve only found them on sale through their official Tmall store so buyers outside of Greater China may be out of luck here. Though I’m pretty sure they have some international presence because Ti-Parts on Carousell Singapore is almost certainly supplied by them. S-PARTS is growing in credibility imo because many new high end boutique components makers from China are now using their screws. For example, the new EXS ULTRA-RR stem and VFV Deep-V seatpost both advertise their use of S-PARTS screws.

There is also a brand called RISK (probably also supplied by S-PARTS?) on Taobao/Tmall/Aliexpress that sells a smaller selection of titanium screws compared to S-PARTS.
January 29, 2022, 04:59:23 AM 		1
Re: Questions about disc brakes
Quote from: cm8181 on February 01, 2022, 07:41:21 AM
Thanks for the repys so far. I will watch the Vids today in the evening.
At first it is not about the costs, ist about the thing to build a Bike not using any Parts from the big brands.

There are no Chinese hydraulic brifters and flat mount calipers currently on the market so you have no choice but to source those parts from a big brand. If you're willing to give hydromechanical a shot, there are some promising options on the market. Just make sure you pair it with good quality compressionless cables as that's what makes or breaks mechanical and hydromechanical braking performance.

Unfortunately, there are no credible reviews of these products apart from the Juin.
February 01, 2022, 09:49:18 AM 		1
Re: L-TWOO RX 2x12 road groupset In a comment on this Bili video, Sensah themselves have confirmed that hydraulic braking will come in 2022.

I imagine hydraulic braking will be paired with their existing mechanical groupsets for the time being. Electronic shifting still feels rather far away imo and there is no guarantee of great implementation such as the absolute dud that was FSA's K-Force WE groupset. In any case, expect to hear more news in May at the upcoming bike show.
February 08, 2022, 02:46:06 PM 		2