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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: 1Sigma on November 09, 2021, 08:14:54 AM
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I am currently looking at a couple helmets from a brand called Sunrimoon (under a company called Cigna).
Company looks to specialize in helmets - mostly bike and motorcycle.
When it comes to road helmets, do you prefer:
Comparatively less aero with more vents?
Comparatively more aero with fewer vents?
Would you even consider a helmet from China? If not, why?
Here are the helmets I am looking at.
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The fact that it's from China doesn't concern me. However, I wouldn't use a helmet that wasn't certified as meeting the relevant standards (EN1708 for Europe, CPSC for the US). It's hard to know if it will offer much protection if it doesn't have that testing.
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...EN1708 for Europe, CPSC for the US...
CSPC being stricter than EU-1708...
Europeans have apparently a harder head, and need less protection than the US riders.
Chinese may have an even harder one ;D
I did crack a $25 Fask Protone, hitting a branch a couple of years ago, and bought another one.
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Yea, looks like these helmets are CSPC certified, and the manufacturing of a single crash helmet isn't particularly complicated.
If they aren't outwardly copying anyone, I really have no reason to believe these helmets will be worse than something from Decathlon.
(I currently use a CCM helmet. For those of you not Canadian, that is basically Walmart/Carrefour quality)
Also, looks like they've had some domestic races/exhibitions where cyclists used their gear.
In keeping with my trend these days of seeing if I can get away with sourcing (almost) exclusively from Chinese firms that design and/or least manufacture their own brand, I think I might give these guys a shot. I'll pick up 10 of them, keep one and FB Marketplace the rest
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Make sure the fit system is 360 degrees. I bought a Chiner helmet and the head band that you adjust by turning the nob was not 360 degrees. It only went a little over half way around the back of my head. Doesn't fit as good or feel as comfortable.
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Make sure the fit system is 360 degrees. I bought a Chiner helmet and the head band that you adjust by turning the nob was not 360 degrees. It only went a little over half way around the back of my head. Doesn't fit as good or feel as comfortable.
Hi Robert,
Good advice. My current budget helmet is the same - not only is it not 360, the adjusting dial sits too high on the back of my skull (above the base), making for an uncomfortable fit if I want it to be secure (which I have unfortunately gotten used to)
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ALL THE HELMETS ARE BELONG TO ME!
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ALL THE HELMETS ARE BELONG TO ME!
I may have to get one for the slogan alone!
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I may have to get one for the slogan alone!
I’m going to keep a couple for myself, and see how they are.
Obviously, I’m not going to go smashing my head against things, but I can give my subjective opinion on comfort, appearance, etc.
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First Impressions:
I kept 2 for myself, the TS-99 (Irridescent silver), and thr TS-42 (Blue/Purple. Blurple?) Both Medium.
This is their site with models: https://sunrimooncycling.com/
A few are very reminiscent of some HJC models...
They have rhe requisite stickers? Quite frankly, I am not concerned. I'm sure they fall in the spectrum of acceptably safe helmets.
They are light. 230g and 235g, respectively.
Retention system is basic, but snug. Helmet secures to head without straps. Pads are removeble. I have a long-ish face, and neither make my head look like a mushroom, which is good.
The carapace wraps around the bottom edge, which is nice and not often found in budget helmets.
What bothered me. Inattention to post manufacturing details - this appears to be a common theme for OEMs turned Brand companies.
They didn't full the order 100% correctly. 8 of the 26 helmets were either the wrong model or size.
Accessories were all over the place. Some missing travel bags, warranty cards, instructions, extra pads. All the helmets had some combination of the above. Maybe 2 had all of the above.
Waiting to see how SUNRIMOON responds
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Combined with the fact of no MIPS that’s not so trust inspiring if you ask me. Also: maybe stating the obvious here, but it doesn’t take a lot to state you’re producing certified stuff. I mean I totally get when people tell me to get branded shoes instead of china non branded stuff, but playing risky stuff with your head? I’m not going there but appreciate your honest review. Again, for the actual protection ability we don’t know which is way I for myself say hands off… cheers mate
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Mips is likely mostly snake oil.
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Combined with the fact of no MIPS that’s not so trust inspiring if you ask me…I mean I totally get when people tell me to get branded shoes instead of china non branded stuff, but playing risky stuff with your head?
I knew I forgot to mention something: MIPS.
I agree that MIPS statistically makes a helmet safer, all thing being equal. But not by a massive margin.
Meaning while MIPS helmets tend to top the list of safest helmets, it’s not uncommon to find them poorly ranked as well.
Also, making a safe helmet isn’t difficult. It’s old tech. In the end it’s basically just styrofoam on your head. From a protection standpoint, very little separates a $10 helmet from a $200 helmet. A helmet coming from a Chinese company specializing in helmets is no less safe than a helmet from the majors.
Kind of a long way of saying,
1) I agree MIPS is a good feature, and wish these helmets had them, but
2) I disagree that not having MIPS and not being a typical branded helmet makes this a risky proposition
I totally get it though. It is the last line of defense, and it’s understandable if one has reservations.
I don't think anyone should buy bike gear they feel unsafe or unsure about, and wouldn't try to convince them otherwise.
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Funnily enough this whole forum is discussing parts that most people would consider unsafe or too risky
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Yeah, i got some solid "nope not safe" answers on reddit when i was asking about stems and bars from Ali. For the sake of keeping my teeth I'm still a bit wary of anything in the front of a bike that could fail (wake stems..) but i did find Kalloy Uno, which given their history and that their products are iso tested, i'm happy to trust.
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Any longterm update? :)
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What makes me suspect of videos talking about helmet safety, is that most videos are sponsored by the helmet companies themselves. That's like asking Specialized to make a video about the SL8 compared to a Taiwan Eisen SL8 copy. Of course the big big industry is going to say you'll die the moment you breath on it. On top of that, no bike helmet will protect you from a car going 60mph/100kmh head on.
I always tell people when on a bike don't follow the rules of the road, follow the rules of survival.
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I have Sunrimoon helmet since 2022. The one which looks like HJC. It's comfortable and well made and it fits my head better than western brands. Still looking good in that rainbow chameleon color. I'm thinking about upgrading it to the next Sunrimoon helmet with 3D printing padding.
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I've been running chinese helmets for years, because branded helmets are simply insultingly expensive. There's no good reason why a piece of moulded foam should cost 300 eur. Just like there's no reason why a bike jersey should cost 100 eur, let alone 200.
One caveat: Specialized came out with a road helmet with a carbon fiber shell. It's not just a piece of foam. The chinese version is just foam, which makes it dangerous. But pretty much all the other road helmets i know of are just moulded foam, and foam is foam. By that, i dont mean that a chinese helmet is just as safe, but for the riding i do, i'll take the chance.
One thing that chinese helmets dont do is MIPS. Then again, until MIPS was a thing, people were riding just fine without it, and so, i ride a helmet without MIPS.
Another caveat: if you race / race crits, then maybe buy a real one, to have the peace of mind? If you commute, the same?
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I've been running chinese helmets for years, because branded helmets are simply insultingly expensive. There's no good reason why a piece of moulded foam should cost 300 eur. Just like there's no reason why a bike jersey should cost 100 eur, let alone 200.
One caveat: Specialized came out with a road helmet with a carbon fiber shell. It's not just a piece of foam. The chinese version is just foam, which makes it dangerous. But pretty much all the other road helmets i know of are just moulded foam, and foam is foam. By that, i dont mean that a chinese helmet is just as safe, but for the riding i do, i'll take the chance.
One thing that chinese helmets dont do is MIPS. Then again, until MIPS was a thing, people were riding just fine without it, and so, i ride a helmet without MIPS.
Another caveat: if you race / race crits, then maybe buy a real one, to have the peace of mind? If you commute, the same?
Which one are you running? Did you get them on ali?
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no experience with the Sunrimoon brand, but I have bought and worn Chinese helmets in the past. A few months ago I watched a YouTube video by a bicycle content creator who did destructive testing on AliEx helmets vs. those sold in the USA by name brands. The AliEx helmets shattered on impact, as opposed to deforming like they are supposed to. It was kind of a wake-up for me that at least some Chinese off-brand helmets are made of inferior materials and could fail when I need them most. After seeing that video, I've stuck with more expensive, MIPS helmets bought in the USA.
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Which one are you running? Did you get them on ali?
I bought several, i dont think it matters too much. Havent bought recently either. Yes, from AliX.
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no experience with the Sunrimoon brand, but I have bought and worn Chinese helmets in the past. A few months ago I watched a YouTube video by a bicycle content creator who did destructive testing on AliEx helmets vs. those sold in the USA by name brands. The AliEx helmets shattered on impact, as opposed to deforming like they are supposed to. It was kind of a wake-up for me that at least some Chinese off-brand helmets are made of inferior materials and could fail when I need them most. After seeing that video, I've stuck with more expensive, MIPS helmets bought in the USA.
That sounds like something Francis Cade would do, and that definitely sounds like a good ole case of premium brand VS the counterfeit garbage with fake stickers posing as the real deal.
No personal attack because Cade sounds orders of magnitude more transparent and honest than the average youtube sellout, but I'm fucking tired of cherrypicked "sort by cheapest", sketchiest looking products on wish VS reputable western brand comparisons that always end in "well clearly chinese shit sucks, better buy from our sponsor mucoff if you don't want to die!"
I've begged Joe to stock sunrimoon on pandapodium because sunrimoon selection is scarce on ali. If not, I'll probably settle for the rockbros one because it looks somewhat aero and that's what I most care about since I have no intentions of crashing 8)
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I've been running chinese helmets for years, because branded helmets are simply insultingly expensive. There's no good reason why a piece of moulded foam should cost 300 eur. Just like there's no reason why a bike jersey should cost 100 eur, let alone 200.
One caveat: Specialized came out with a road helmet with a carbon fiber shell. It's not just a piece of foam. The chinese version is just foam, which makes it dangerous. But pretty much all the other road helmets i know of are just moulded foam, and foam is foam. By that, i dont mean that a chinese helmet is just as safe, but for the riding i do, i'll take the chance.
One thing that chinese helmets dont do is MIPS. Then again, until MIPS was a thing, people were riding just fine without it, and so, i ride a helmet without MIPS.
Another caveat: if you race / race crits, then maybe buy a real one, to have the peace of mind? If you commute, the same?
1-3 year old new-in-box helmets from Western brands that are no longer the latest and newest models are pretty easy to find for under 100 USD/EUR.
https://bikecloset.com/product-category/accessories/helmets/ (https://bikecloset.com/product-category/accessories/helmets/)
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That sounds like something Francis Cade would do, and that definitely sounds like a good ole case of premium brand VS the counterfeit garbage with fake stickers posing as the real deal.
No personal attack because Cade sounds orders of magnitude more transparent and honest than the average youtube sellout, but I'm fucking tired of cherrypicked "sort by cheapest", sketchiest looking products on wish VS reputable western brand comparisons that always end in "well clearly chinese shit sucks, better buy from our sponsor mucoff if you don't want to die!"
I've begged Joe to stock sunrimoon on pandapodium because sunrimoon selection is scarce on ali. If not, I'll probably settle for the rockbros one because it looks somewhat aero and that's what I most care about since I have no intentions of crashing 8)
You can order Sunrimoon helmets through their website instead of AliX.
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Way too risky to buy a helmet from Aliexpress, you only have one brain
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Way too risky to buy a helmet from Aliexpress, you only have one brain
That's where you're wrong.
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That's where you're wrong.
how many brains do you have?
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how many brains do you have?
Yes.