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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Kirkspants on May 22, 2022, 11:27:30 PM
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Hi all, I'm new as a user but have been reading for a long time. I spent 13-odd years working for a Trek/SBI/Cdale dealer and dove into the china frame journey with both eyes open and a Dremel at the ready.
My first bike was a Workswell R-146 gravel bike (Open UP ish). I love it. I have ridden the crap out of it. I had to dremel in a fresh rear hose entry port as the Open UP style head tube entry ports would pinch the hose with a low stem (used a 2007 Madone brake housing entry port, even tapped the tiny screw in the frame). Also, had to dremel around the bb shell to get a power meter to fit. After sanding out and hammering in my lower headset bearing, it was ready to go with a Campy EPS drivetrain running a 52x36 and an 11-40 cassette. Can get up anything!
I'm now wanting to dabble in disc brake road bikes and found the Workswell WCB-R-306 Disc Brake. I am hunting for something tarmac/emonda/supersix-ish: light, FSA ACR compatible internal routing, and some aero.
My question is: does anyone know who is the retail seller of the 306 frame is? Workswell can't sell it in the USA due to exclusivity clause... I've seen some impressive framespotting here and was wondering if anyone could help me out... or! offer some good alternatives!
Thanks for reading this far; I'll gladly shut up now.
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I think it is the Blue Chinook G2. Wow that's spendy.
Well, anyone have fun suggestions for alternatives? I have seen the hubbub about the VB-R-168, but am hoping to find a little lighter.
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Adapt AT-B01? (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=98) I don’t think they do B2C but you could try asking
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Oooh nice spot that looks pretty cool! I sent them an email, see what happens. Thanks!!
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Any real world experience with this frame? Thinking about different options including this one
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Any real world experience with this frame? Thinking about different options including this one
Can't speak for the 306, but I own the 309 (less aggressive geo and no dropped seat stays) and it's great. Good communication with the company.
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Anyone tested this frame?
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Oooh nice spot that looks pretty cool! I sent them an email, see what happens. Thanks!!
Did you ever get a reply from them?
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I manage to contact the adapt salesperson. She informed that AT-B01 is not to be sold direct to consumer.
However, she offers FM49-DB which has the same geometry as MMR Adrenaline Aero. It's nice-looking frame.
http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=94
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Looks like a VB-R-068
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I manage to contact the adapt salesperson. She informed that AT-B01 is not to be sold direct to consumer.
However, she offers FM49-DB which has the same geometry as MMR Adrenaline Aero. It's nice-looking frame.
http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=94
That is a seriously good looking frame, wow!
Is it a copy of the S-works Venge 2020? Looks amazing! But I guess it is very heavy...
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The full build will look like this, the first picture.
However, WCB-R-306 looks better in my opinion, second picture. R-306 looks like a modern all-rounder aero.
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They are both hot..
The 306 frame comes to 790$ currently. In Germany it's possible to order it. I am sorry for you in USA. Sending to Germany and then to US sounds like shot in the head with double shipping and taxes.
Unfortunately workswell stopped offering 380mm handlebars, so my (bit stupid) idea of a new bike collapsed somehow. At least at the moment. I don't want to buy a mixture where I then have to fight for the fitting of headset, dustcap, spacers and handlebar.
I did that once, it was really crappy to get a nice solution. in the end I bought one headset that was close and grinded everything away that didn't fit. It's nice now, but it was ugly for half a year.
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Anyone ever bought this frame? About to pull the trigger as it seems to be the only option for a proper roadbike with 34mm tire clearance for my training/commuting wheelset. Could be the perfect do it all bike. Cant decide on the colour though...I think it will be one of the chameleon colours they offer.
Only gripe is its really quite expensive...incl handlebar, seatpost, paint, duty free shipping to Germany 1300$...but I would expect the quality to be much better than velobuold/dengfu etc?
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Anyone ever bought this frame? About to pull the trigger as it seems to be the only option for a proper roadbike with 34mm tire clearance for my training/commuting wheelset. Could be the perfect do it all bike. Cant decide on the colour though...I think it will be one of the chameleon colours they offer.
Only gripe is its really quite expensive...incl handlebar, seatpost, paint, duty free shipping to Germany 1300$...but I would expect the quality to be much better than velobuold/dengfu etc?
I own a bike with#12 . It's basically almost black ???
In the sun you can guess the slight purple gold, wouldn't recommend it if you really want color on your bike
Purple blue is better, have seen 2 Workswell frames last year
The 306 is interesting, but the SL version is not available for single frames... and with this it's not interesting anymore unfortunately. And 4 years ago they offered 380mm handlebars... not available anymore.. also not so nice for me, they just focused on the more common sizes.
If the quality is better than Velobuild or Dengfu?
. Don't know, didn't have one of them, but I read a lot of concerns abut Velobuild. So I guess it's at least better than Velobuild
If you go with internal routing you should use very decent bearings.
In will go with flybike 1136. It's lighter, has a circular seat post and is available by end of February.
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Thanks for the super helpful reply. By purple blue you mean no11 or no16?
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Thanks for the super helpful reply. By purple blue you mean no11 or no16?
I have seen #16
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I went for #14, paid today. I'll keep you updated in case anyone is intersted.
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I went for #14, paid today. I'll keep you updated in case anyone is intersted.
Yes please
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I own a bike with#12 . It's basically almost black ???
In the sun you can guess the slight purple gold, wouldn't recommend it if you really want color on your bike
Purple blue is better, have seen 2 Workswell frames last year
The 306 is interesting, but the SL version is not available for single frames... and with this it's not interesting anymore unfortunately. And 4 years ago they offered 380mm handlebars... not available anymore.. also not so nice for me, they just focused on the more common sizes.
If the quality is better than Velobuild or Dengfu?
. Don't know, didn't have one of them, but I read a lot of concerns abut Velobuild. So I guess it's at least better than Velobuild
If you go with internal routing you should use very decent bearings.
In will go with flybike 1136. It's lighter, has a circular seat post and is available by end of February.
In will go with flybike 1136. It's lighter, has a circular seat post and is available by end of February.
Is the FM-1136 available by end of february from FlyBike or Carbonda, do you do know much is the price for? I contact FlyBike but no answer...?
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In will go with flybike 1136. It's lighter, has a circular seat post and is available by end of February.
Is the FM-1136 available by end of february from FlyBike or Carbonda, do you do know much is the price for? I contact FlyBike but no answer...?
You must contact Carbonda. They are the contact for small orders. Regarding the FM1136 I was told the XS will be available by end of this month, minus one which I will take ;D.
Carbonda will sell the 1136 regularly somewhen this spring, as i heard.
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You must contact Carbonda. They are the contact for small orders. Regarding the FM1136 I was told the XS will be available by end of this month, minus one which I will take ;D.
Carbonda will sell the 1136 regularly somewhen this spring, as i heard.
you were given a price?
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By total coincidence I just found out that a local brand seems to be selling the wcb-r-306 as their high end aero road bike: Baldiso Airflight One https://www.baldiso.com/airflight1
...at least it looks strikingly similar...
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By total coincidence I just found out that a local brand seems to be selling the wcb-r-306 as their high end aero road bike: Baldiso Airflight One https://www.baldiso.com/airflight1
...at least it looks strikingly similar...
On their website (Translated into English)...
"The aerodynamic design slices through the wind perfectly and is immediately appealing to the eye" ;D ;D
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By total coincidence I just found out that a local brand seems to be selling the wcb-r-306 as their high end aero road bike: Baldiso Airflight One https://www.baldiso.com/airflight1
...at least it looks strikingly similar...
Omg.. 3000€For the frame, painted with this ugly design?! They are greedy. Unbelievable.
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Omg.. 3000€For the frame, painted with this ugly design?! They are greedy. Unbelievable.
Well Blue Chinook G2 is the same thing as well as someone mentioned earlier in this thread...same price too :-X
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Well Blue Chinook G2 is the same thing as well as someone mentioned earlier in this thread...same price too :-X
Also greedy....
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Girs bicycles is selling the 306 also. It's a French company.
What I've seen from the webpage their price is kind of fair. 1399? Still more than you pay at Workswell probably but for that you get also warranty conditions and a direct contact in Europe.
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Any update on the 1136 from carbonda/flybike or the direct to consumer 306. Link/price. Liking the 1136 personally.
One set of sample FM1136-SL : US$845.00 with frame , fork , seat post ,clamp +CHB1036
One set of sample FM1136-SL : US$ 690.00 with frame , fork , seat post ,clamp
headset: US $15.00
F&R axle: US $26.00
extra rear derailleur hangers: US$5.00
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I've been digging around here a bit considering some frames, and stumbled on this topic. It helped me make the connection.
For the US, the WorksWell WCB-R-306 is a Van Dessel Arch65. I almost tried to order one from WorksWell, but my contact at Van Dessel gave me a sweet deal on the Arch65, so I took it. It's more than what it would be from WorksWell, but I know the brand I'm working with and have close to 10 years of experience with them, along with four of their bikes at home (Motivus Maximus LTD, two Full Tilt Boogies, and a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot) and two others have come through at various times (the original Motivus Maximus and original All Day Driver, which I raced at CrossVegas in 2016).
I did pick up an integrated bar from AirWolf since they were one of the few I could find doing a 380/120 bar/stem combo. I'll be building it up with a mix of Shimano Ultegra 8000 Di2 with GRX shifters and brakes, along with items from absoluteBLACK, Velo, Elite cages, Hunt Limitless 60 wheels, and Wahoo Speedplay pedals. Once I have everything and get it all built up, I'll add a pic.
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Here’s some pics of the Van Dessel Arch65/ WorksWell WCB-R-306 with the Airwolf HB009 bars.
I’m still dialing things in, but overall happy with it. It’s not quite as light as the previous model (Van Dessel Motivus Maximus LTD), but it has a good ride to it.
I’m really happy with the bars too. I haven’t dropped a 1200 watt sprint on them yet, but wrenched hard enough on some climbs and I can’t feel any flex on the 120/38 set up. Fit and finish are great too. My only issue is I wish they included some instructions on headset setup. I generally know what I’m doing, but there were a few extra pieces included (2 compression rings, a thin metal plate, 2 metal washers and a rubber o ring) that I haven’t figured out where they go. It also didn’t come with a computer mount, but I easily found one on Amazon I like.
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While watching Olympics Triathlon women category. I noticed one of athlete use the frame is exactly the same as WCB-R-306.
It's from GIRS brand, Solo model -> https://girs.bike/en/pages/les-solo