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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Jwzard on July 06, 2022, 11:18:33 AM
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Anyone tried these for the XDR body? Weights a bit more than a red cassette but with the price of rival. I'm mostly after the range, they come in 10-28 while rival only has 10-30. I've read about ZTTO a couple of years ago that they didn't last very long. Have they improved?
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005004448221153.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.4389AAXiAAXiz6&browser_id=df9a74b44deb4a86acf3285361f05ea3&aff_trace_key=cba02a0893274af58f8f2cdf6a7be731-1623049740980-00244-_A7anRf&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=rmaxghs3fxicas2h181d44baf6b92c5b46e118c3b4&gclid=&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21SEK%21%211146.2%21%21%21105.35%21%21%402100bde716571241411161399e706d%2112000029212815625%21sea&algo_pvid=71173443-3eab-4288-b763-a28fba04fda8 (https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005004448221153.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.4389AAXiAAXiz6&browser_id=df9a74b44deb4a86acf3285361f05ea3&aff_trace_key=cba02a0893274af58f8f2cdf6a7be731-1623049740980-00244-_A7anRf&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=rmaxghs3fxicas2h181d44baf6b92c5b46e118c3b4&gclid=&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21SEK%21%211146.2%21%21%21105.35%21%21%402100bde716571241411161399e706d%2112000029212815625%21sea&algo_pvid=71173443-3eab-4288-b763-a28fba04fda8)
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Your link aint working
but WOW, 271 gram for 10-36T XDR ? These must be brand new just released, have never seen before.
Original Sram 10-36T is way heavier at like 310 or 315 gram.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004448221153.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.413e1fb3XZXLsN&algo_pvid=a9021e75-ee3a-4130-ada3-9da271658eef&algo_exp_id=a9021e75-ee3a-4130-ada3-9da271658eef-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029212815625%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21SEK%21%211146.2%21%21%21%21%21%400b0a119a16571388453854813e0161%2112000029212815625%21sea
235 GRAM FOR THE SAME CASSETTE ON ZTTO OFFICIAL STORE WTTTTTFFF :o :o :o :o :o :o :o jesus this must be the lightest high ratio XDR cassette on the market
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004457759283.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.413e1fb3XZXLsN&algo_pvid=a9021e75-ee3a-4130-ada3-9da271658eef&algo_exp_id=a9021e75-ee3a-4130-ada3-9da271658eef-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029242956885%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21SEK%21%211194.88%21%21%21%21%21%400b0a119a16571388453854813e0161%2112000029242956885%21sea
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Changed the link, does it work now?
Ye they almost seems too good, wonder if they last....
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I can't speak to these road cassettes, but I bought a wide range MTB cassette specifically for the weight, and it skips in the smallest cogs. They keep offering to replace it, but at some point, what's the point? I also broke a tooth off the largest recently.
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I can't speak to these road cassettes, but I bought a wide range MTB cassette specifically for the weight, and it skips in the smallest cogs. They keep offering to replace it, but at some point, what's the point? I also broke a tooth off the largest recently.
Was this recently? I've read about people having these problems a few years ago but that the quality has improved.
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Has anyone here tested the Ztto 12 speed xdr cassettes on a road bike? Want to order one but don't want to end up with a bad one
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I have a 9-50 and 10-36. Haven't used them yet. They are for 1x12 I'm changing a bike from 2x11. I have no clue if they are good or bad.
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I have one of the ZTTO 10-50 cassettes in MS on my latest hardail build. It works well on the test stand, but I am waiting until the snow melts to test ride the bike.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803914226168.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.223.1eb11802FW3R9T&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US
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Reading mixed reviews on "that" chinese website. Ranging from bad spacing, broken cogs and other are praising it to heaven.
Damn, if it wasn't +-100 dollar I would give it a try.
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I had the 12s 10-36T XDR Cassette and I couldn´t use it. When tightening it was pushing on to the end cap and it would not turn anymore. Don´t know if it was because of my specific end cap (Newmen Gen 1).
Went back to Rival.
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I had the 12s 10-36T XDR Cassette and I couldn´t use it. When tightening it was pushing on to the end cap and it would not turn anymore. Don´t know if it was because of my specific end cap (Newmen Gen 1).
Went back to Rival.
Did you contact the ZTTO official store by the Aliexpress app?
They usually respond.
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I took the bait and ordered one oil slick 9-50 xd cassette. Will give my review after it arrives and I test it. I read alot of mixed reviews on this one. Hoping good percentage of complaints come from people who are not skilled with fiddling with rd settings :)
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I've ordered a ZTTO 10-speed 1-piece cassette in 11-46 for my cross bike. It was an SROAD cassette (like, even came in the SROAD packaging) with a ZTTO lockring on it.
Anyways. Teeth are super narrow, and the splines fit VERY tight, but the thing weighs about as much as advertised, and shifts very nicely! Before getting it, I was having a ton of trouble getting my 11-28 Red cassette to shift into the smallest cog. No more problems with that. Probably had more to do with the fact that the new cassette actually had a range that the SRAM 1x drivetrain was designed around, but I digress. I can highly recommend.
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Just to correct myself and update on ztto 9-50 pro ult XD cassette.
It's not xdr, it's xd, obviously. Appologies. But since I'm here already, I'll just note that I had issues with rear wheel locking on the freehub with the XD freehub body for P3 Boost hubs from ZTTO. It simply wouldn't coast but pedals would turn as well. Good thing, however, is that I solved that problem by adding small shim over the axle, on the hub (sandwiched between freehub and hub itself. It's a small shim I dont even know where it was in the first place. I think I had it on my dt 350 rear hub that I have laying aroung.
Same p3 ztto hub wasn't having those issues with MS cassette/freehub.
Cassette itself isn't as smooth as Shimano. BUT, it does shift with acceptable precision. No too much unwanted noise. I still need to test it in driving conditions (i configured it on a bike stand for now) and will be reporting here. Bottom line: it can be configured pretty darn well, it is almost as light as XTR and it really does prevent chain from falling while back pedaling on 1st cog.
Im hoping it will serve me for couple of k's of km's happily :)
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Apologies for reviving this thread and I don't want to start another thread. Is there anyone here who has experience on these type of cassette? I am planning to buy a 10-33 XDR ZTTO Cassette and I want to know if there are users here who have experience on this cassette. Plan to use 48-35 Pass Quest chain rings on them
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Apologies for reviving this thread and I don't want to start another thread. Is there anyone here who has experience on these type of cassette? I am planning to buy a 10-33 XDR ZTTO Cassette and I want to know if there are users here who have experience on this cassette. Plan to use 48-35 Pass Quest chain rings on them
There is a 61 page thread on weightweenies.
General consensus is they’re ok in the stand but shift like crap after a limited amount of use and don’t last.
My own experience is they’re a waste of money. If you value good shifting when you ride your bike, stick with whatever Shimano or SRAM suits.
The only after market cassette id recommend is Garbaruk, but they’re expensive.
https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167732&start=900 (ftp://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167732&start=900)
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I use the goldix ones with an 10-33 with ltwoo electric shifting, no problems so far
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I'm also using the Goldix 10-33t XDR cassettes with the newer silver alloy big cog. Using them with Shimano 50-34t and 52-36t on KMC X12 chains. Shifting has been fine using LTwoo ER9. I figure I could consolidate to 1 cassette across my bikes from 11-32t and 11-34t and split the difference in the middle. I gain higher top end with both cassettes and gain/lose 1t gearing on the low gear.
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How long are you guys using Goldix 10-33? I am also planning to get 10-33 cassette but I am hesitant on what brand will I buy (Goldix, ZTTO or Sunshine). Is Goldix really that loud?
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How long are you guys using Goldix 10-33? I am also planning to get 10-33 cassette but I am hesitant on what brand will I buy (Goldix, ZTTO or Sunshine). Is Goldix really that loud?
All these mono block cassettes are a bit noisy. Mostly on the smaller cogs, the big cogs not so much. Best to immersive wax your chain and use an aftermarket chain though. I've had the best luck with KMC X12 chains, definitely don't use Shimano chains. The hyper glide profile rubs when shifting on these cassettes. I think the Goldix and ZTTO XDR cassettes are the same, I just went with the newer silver painted alloy cog version. Just buy from whomever has the best price.
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Things I don't compromise for the sake of weight savings or price:
-Saddles (although I just discovered a knockoff Bjorn Setka saddle ;D)
-Cockpit
-Groupset
-Drivetrain
I'll take an SL8 knockoff frameset with reliable and proven components versus the opposite. Skipping gears, rear electronic derailleurs randomly failing, cracked carbon saddle rails. I don't ever wanna think about these components failing me during the heat of the moment. Sram Rival cassettes cost $120 USD
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If only SRAM rival offers 10-33 then I would instantly buy it. Sad that it's not available and the Rival offers only 10-30 and 10-36. SRAM Force is a bit expensive for me, that's why I am trying to gamble on these aftermarket cassettes. If nothing satisfy my needs, I would just buy Shimano products again.
All these mono block cassettes are a bit noisy. Mostly on the smaller cogs, the big cogs not so much. Best to immersive wax your chain and use an aftermarket chain though. I've had the best luck with KMC X12 chains, definitely don't use Shimano chains. The hyper glide profile rubs when shifting on these cassettes. I think the Goldix and ZTTO XDR cassettes are the same, I just went with the newer silver painted alloy cog version. Just buy from whomever has the best price.
Thanks! I am a fan of KMC chains anyway so I might try these Goldix ones.
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Things I don't compromise for the sake of weight savings or price:
I'd rather take a mainstream frame and deck it out with unconventional components. Mixing Shimano/SRAM + whatever Chinese parts makes things more interesting and less predictable. Besides quality chains and reliable tires, everything else is fair game to try.
I ride with guys who are either mechanics and/or own bike shops. It's fun using components they have no clue about. ;)
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I'd rather take a mainstream frame and deck it out with unconventional components. Mixing Shimano/SRAM + whatever Chinese parts makes things more interesting and less predictable. Besides quality chains and reliable tires, everything else is fair game to try.
I ride with guys who are either mechanics and/or own bike shops. It's fun using components they have no clue about. ;)
Well played hahaha
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I've been running ZTTO 12 speed 10-50 MS ultralight 376 gram cassettes for years with smooth shifting, and (now even smoother using Wheeltop EDS OX) on 3 bikes bike without any problems.
OTOH, I am on my 3rd ZTTO MS ultralight 10-36 12 spd cassette on my gravel bike, that is running Wheeltop EDS TX. Seems like on the gravel bike the upper cogs wear out faster. I am getting about 5K to 7K miles on these.
Are the XDR version of ZTTO or Goldix 12s 10-36T XDR cassettes really not as durable?
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I don’t have any issues with my road 10-33t XDR cassettes or gravel 9-46/50t XD cassettes. All my chains are immersive waxed and I rotate my road and gravel bikes. I can see people using drip wax might be prematurely wearing their cassettes out. I’m also selective about my gearing and try to avoid the big and small cogs unless I absolutely need to.
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How many kilometers do you have on that 10-33 cassette?
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How many kilometers do you have on that 10-33 cassette?
I rotate between my two road bikes. I also swap my immersive wax chains after several 100 miles/kilometers. Some weeks I prefer just doing gravel and might go a week or more only riding dirt.
Because of the way I ride and how I maintain my bike drivetrains, everything stays in relatively good condition.
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Alright so I bought these ZTTO 10-33 XDR Cassette ones and will be paired with Pass Quest 48-35 in a 105 crankset (to be replaced by either Bigrock cranks or XMCS in the future). Took the risk because the issues were mostly on SLR version while the 12 spd XDR is ULT so I hope there will be no issues. Hoping that Shimano will release 10t cogs so no more gamble on these Chinese cassettes. And these will go to my next bike which is the Adapt B02. :D
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As I mentioned, immersive wax, compatible chain and electronic shifting seems to be the best method for optimal performance on these aftermarket cassettes. Though I'm a bit bias towards Shimano Ultegra and Dura Ace chainrings, mainly for proper FD shifting. Though I plan to try some Stone chainrings soon to pair to a carbon crankset I have on order, so I'll see how those go.
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2 x ZTTO 12 speed cassettes with 9000km between them on a ebike (2 sets of wheels), running with Wheeltop road groupset. 0 issues, shifting is perfect.Really cannot see the point in paying more for a cassette at this stage.
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Installed my ztto 10-33 12 speed to my wheelset just now.
Looks good so far. Lighter than the advertised weight (237 advertised and 207 on my kitchen scale).
Silent so far with my KMC 12 speed chain. There’s a bit of problem on shifting from 10-12 cogs but it also exists on my 105 cassette. Will check if it will still exist on my next bike and rule out hanger problem.
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Installed my ztto 10-33 12 speed to my wheelset just now.
Looks good so far. Lighter than the advertised weight (237 advertised and 207 on my kitchen scale).
Silent so far with my KMC 12 speed chain. There’s a bit of problem on shifting from 10-12 cogs but it also exists on my 105 cassette. Will check if it will still exist on my next bike and rule out hanger problem.
So your using a shimano group set and chain ring, kmc chain, and xdr cassette? And that shifts ok and it shifts into the 10t? I might have to try that for my next cassette
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I had this love-hate relationship with a ZTTO HG 11-46 12 speed cassette for the past 2 months. It is very lightweight at 276g!!! the workmanship is near perfect and it's beautiful.
But to make it work I went through 2 months of messing around and lots of searches and troubleshooting for noise:
- I used Shimano XT M8100 12 speed mechanical rear derailleur, At first I chose Ultegra Hyperglide+ 12 speed chain, it works but was hella noisy, several middle cogs were especially bad. Very quiet at the first 3 cogs and the last 1 cog.
- Then I switched to SRAM Eagle GX 12 speed chain, it's a bit quieter but still I am annoyed by it.
- Then I switched to ZTTO's own 12 speed chain, it's not cheap at $30+ and their chain build quality is not there. It just doesn't feel a very good workmanship. However, the ZTTO chain is relatively quiet and I happily rode it for the past 300 miles without issues. I use this build t explore the fireroad and some single tracks near where I live.
If I knew this I would have used the ZTTO chain at the beginning.
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So your using a shimano group set and chain ring, kmc chain, and xdr cassette? And that shifts ok and it shifts into the 10t? I might have to try that for my next cassette
I have Shimano 105 di2 groupset with KMC chain. Solid shifting up until 12-10t so far (problem also exist on my previous 11-34 105 Cassette, might be a problem on hanger alignment).
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Im planning to get a 10-33 cassette for my setup and I will use kmc non flattop chain. which one should i get ZTTO or Goldix?
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I think they are the same, just different brand name. Get the ones that have the best price.
Update on my earlier ride: Did a 35km ride with 600+ meters of total elevation for 2 hours shifting performance is ok-ish. Not as smooth as Shimano cassette but not really a deal breaker for me. Cassette is quiet tho the one that is loud is the shifting, which is fine for me. Great experience so far. Will update after 1000km or a month of riding.
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I think they are the same, just different brand name. Get the ones that have the best price.
Update on my earlier ride: Did a 35km ride with 600+ meters of total elevation for 2 hours shifting performance is ok-ish. Not as smooth as Shimano cassette but not really a deal breaker for me. Cassette is quiet tho the one that is loud is the shifting, which is fine for me. Great experience so far. Will update after 1000km or a month of riding.
goldix have a newer slightly different version with a polished larger cog rather than full black with a few other subtle differences. At least from the pictures, rivets and teeth profiles are different
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goldix have a newer slightly different version with a polished larger cog rather than full black with a few other subtle differences. At least from the pictures, rivets and teeth profiles are different
I'm using the slightly newer version with no issues. I presumed they are the same as the the old version, just with a painted alloy big cog.
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Installed my ztto 10-33 12 speed to my wheelset just now.
Looks good so far. Lighter than the advertised weight (237 advertised and 207 on my kitchen scale).
Silent so far with my KMC 12 speed chain. There’s a bit of problem on shifting from 10-12 cogs but it also exists on my 105 cassette. Will check if it will still exist on my next bike and rule out hanger problem.
Which kmc 12 speed chain are you using (they have so many 😅)? I might try it for my upcoming bike
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I’m using the gold and black ones. Though I think they are just all the same.
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They also offer flat top, dlc and tt chains, but you're probably talking about the regular x12 chains. So i will try those as well. Thank you for the feedback :)