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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: patliean1 on February 28, 2023, 08:42:39 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/standertbicycles/ (https://www.instagram.com/standertbicycles/)
https://standert.de/collections/triebwerk-disc (https://standert.de/collections/triebwerk-disc)
I'm told their frames are made in Taiwan. Really liking their Triebwerk steel frames with classic geometry, but the frameset prices are STEEP. Wondering if any Far East factories offer a similar frame, or other brands in general for a steel classic disc frame. Thanks!
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I know Seaboard on AliExpress makes steel frames. One of my friend rides with the CR03 and they look really neat.
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https://tsunamibicycle.com/product/cr05-road-frameset-700c-disc-brake-thru-axle-ti-polish/ (https://tsunamibicycle.com/product/cr05-road-frameset-700c-disc-brake-thru-axle-ti-polish/)
Looks really similar to a Tsunami Seaboard steel TA road frameset.
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I immediately started searching the interwebs after my post, and stumbled on Tsunami Bikes as well.
Forgot to mention a steel frameset with a more aggressive-ish geometry rather than endurance. I probably should not expect to find a frame that's steel, racier geo, AND be value-conscience ;D
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https://hongkaibikestore.aliexpress.us/store/group/Road-Bike-Frame/1101610081_10000002278082.html (https://hongkaibikestore.aliexpress.us/store/group/Road-Bike-Frame/1101610081_10000002278082.html)
Advanced Mountain and Dark Rock branded bikes all appear to be rebranded Seaboard steel gravel frames at slightly lower prices. Though there doesn't seem to be many options for road oriented steel disc frames. I think at this point most gravitate more towards titanium, while steel has remained popular with the gravel and touring bike scene.
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FWIW I recently ordered a Seaboard steel gravel frame and I was super excited to build it up, but was eventually told they were not in stock in my size and wouldn't be for some time from any seller. After pestering the seller for a quick refund, I ordered a carbon gravel frame, but I still have the steel bug and hope to build one up...maybe a road/all-road/whatever 35mm clearance type of thing. I think I'll go the custom route at this point, likely from Marino Bike as their prices are very, very good when compared to just about any other steel framebuilder I've researched. They're based in Peru: https://www.marinobike.com/ https://www.instagram.com/marinobike/
I'm in no rush and probably won't be ordering a frame from them for some time, but I'm eternally playing with Bike Cad trying to get all the dimensions and specs juuust right for when the time comes ;D
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Hey Pat,
The frames are made out of these tubes - http://www.dedacciai.com/ and as far as I know most of them are built in Italy.
So you could maybe reverse search from that but to get a value offer on something like that will be much harder than plastic (carbon).
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Yeah, steel seems to be relegated to touring or all-road bikes from boutique shops with boutique prices!
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That said, the Stael from fairlight cycles is nice.
https://fairlightcycles.com/product/strael3-deposit/
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I'm a big fan of the Surly Midnight Special. Though $799 USD for the frameset only is in the realm of very good Chinese carbon and even titanium.
https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special (https://surlybikes.com/bikes/midnight_special)
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That said, the Stael from fairlight cycles is nice.
https://fairlightcycles.com/product/strael3-deposit/
My buddy has a Fairlight, it's a very nice bike.
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This forum is the BEST. Thanks everyone!
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Surly's are nice bike's but there's zero chance I'd use one has a race bike they are built like tanks.
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I was contemplating the idea of getting a Standert when I was looking for a multi purpose gravel frame made of steel. But honestly, when you're looking for steel, the price gap between a (nicely made high quality) steel frame off the shelf and a custom made frame is not that big. As long as you're not buying from one of the uber-expensive boutique builders.
I went down the custom route. Got a nice fillet brazed frame and paired it with a Carbonda-fork. This is the result.
Wheels are custom built. Groupset is Ekar except for the Magura calipers and the Sram Red cranks. I'm using a 13sp chainring by Ratio components. Lovely ride.
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I was contemplating the idea of getting a Standert when I was looking for a multi purpose gravel frame made of steel. But honestly, when you're looking for steel, the price gap between a (nicely made high quality) steel frame off the shelf and a custom made frame is not that big. As long as you're not buying from one of the uber-expensive boutique builders.
I went down the custom route. Got a nice fillet brazed frame and paired it with a Carbonda-fork. This is the result.
Wheels are custom built. Groupset is Ekar except for the Magura calipers and the Sram Red cranks. I'm using a 13sp chainring by Ratio components. Lovely ride.
Agree, in addition to the mentioned companies you will find regional builders such as Tannenwald, Big Forest Frameworks or Rennstahl here in Germany.
And if you are talking about steel, in Europe, you certainly must consider Italy. Cicli Barco or Legend by Bertoletti are just two I know and I am sure there are plenty more.
I am a fan and supporter of this forum, but classic steel imo is a different approach that makes me consider regional builders and custom options.
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I agree. I would locate guys like Big Forest Frameworks already more in the expensive boutique sector.
My frame is built by Jacek Orlowski in Sczeczin, Poland. He used to have his workshop in the velodrome and built frames for Poland's national track team when they were still riding on steel frames. So yes, long time ago.
My frameset is made of Columbus Life throughout and I got to decide everything. It is fillet brazed which is considerably more work to do than just welding it (like the Standert frames). I paid around 1200 EUR including paint on frame and fork. So that's a lot cheaper than what Standert is asking for their better steel options.
I can also recommend Antonio Taverna in Padua, Italy. You can find him under his "brand name" https://www.vetta.it/ (https://www.vetta.it/).
His quote was roughly the same as Orlowski's but I went with Jacek as he's closer to me and I picked the frame up.
Especially in Italy, there's lots of these smaller and lesser known builders still around and they're asking very reasonable prices. TBH at this point I'd always go custom, if I was going for a new steel frame again.
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When looking for custom steel bikes for me feather cycles is one of the best . Also jaegher is building Nice bikes. I’m thinking of a standert as second bike but i also like the vintage Merckx and colnago. .
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Mason bikes from the UK
https://masoncycles.cc/
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Not sure how classic you are looking, but I ended up picking up a Black Heart All Road Aluminum frame. Has the classic lines, the right amount of internal routing, threaded bottom bracket, clearance for 38mm (40mm without a front mech), nothing proprietary. Feels fast with 28-32mm tires, haven't taken it offroad yet but I know it can handle the chunk.
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Looking good pearl!
I wanna see if the "steel is real" movement works for me. The problem is the more relaxed and endurance the geometry is, the more I know it won't get used much.
Not exactly saying the steel frame I'm looking for needs to be a full race-machine, but would nice if it was more aggressive than touring.
Mostly likely I'll land on a Standert Triebwerk Disc 8)
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Not sure how classic you are looking, but I ended up picking up a Black Heart All Road Aluminum frame. Has the classic lines, the right amount of internal routing, threaded bottom bracket, clearance for 38mm (40mm without a front mech), nothing proprietary. Feels fast with 28-32mm tires, haven't taken it offroad yet but I know it can handle the chunk.
Looks really good!
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I can vouch for the quality of PlanetX frames. This is my crit bike. I got this for an absolutely crazy price of 350 GBP new for the set when they sold out the last of these. It’s made of Columbus Spirit HSS tubing with lovely sophisticated tube shapes. Hexagonal downtube and oval top tube. Silly light fork made by Columbus as well (320g uncut). It’s very stiff for a steel frame. 7.9kg for the whole bike as pictured including all accessories. Granted, these are tubulars.
If PlanetX ever sold something similar with discs in the future I’d buy it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, most of their metal frames are all road/gravel inspired ATM.
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Looking good pearl!
I wanna see if the "steel is real" movement works for me. The problem is the more relaxed and endurance the geometry is, the more I know it won't get used much.
Not exactly saying the steel frame I'm looking for needs to be a full race-machine, but would nice if it was more aggressive than touring.
Mostly likely I'll land on a Standert Triebwerk Disc 8)
I would say this frame isn't too relaxed that its a slouch! It's nice to have options though. My other bikes are a CAAD4 for crits and a Exploro for gravel. this splits the difference.
I almost bought one second hand but was afraid that I wouldn't be able to fit the tires I want on it.
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I was right, going through my messages with the guy, he had a 31mm measured tire on the rear, saying he could fit 35s on it. Use that info for what you will!
35 is such a strange size to fit, I think I would want 40mm at the least!
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I was right, going through my messages with the guy, he had a 31mm measured tire on the rear, saying he could fit 35s on it. Use that info for what you will!
35 is such a strange size to fit, I think I would want 40mm at the least!
Here in the Midwest (USA) you can basically "get by" on 90% of roads within a 2 hour drive on 32c tires. And the other 10% of roads which are gravel can be done with 38c tires. The majority of country roads are chip seal or well used hard pack gravel.
To your point...35c is indeed a weird size haha
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I was right, going through my messages with the guy, he had a 31mm measured tire on the rear, saying he could fit 35s on it. Use that info for what you will!
35 is such a strange size to fit, I think I would want 40mm at the least!
This is an artifact of CX frames that we're made for 33c tires and could fit 35's most likely same kind of jig measurement for the builder.
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I used to think the skinnier tires were faster on gravel, now im trying to slam the fattest tire I can on each of my frames, My 42mm Pathfinders are 44 on my Exploro and I wouldn't go any skinnier than that!
Getting by is one thing, but when its just as fast and more comfortable with a wider tire, it's a no brainer! I did a grave race this weekend and it was smooth, fast and flat. In the past I would have said I could have done it on 32s, but we did 22mph avg for the first 2:30... on 44mm wide tires!
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Could try Marinoni out of Quebec Canada. They do custom geo and colour for 2150CAD which is a steal. I have their Sterrato frame in Columbus Spirit and Zona. Best bike I have owned.