Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiNJ0NYzqGdItAT--8QRq24e6I0Vr8bS9mqG0AJVN2zg&s)
New frame just popped up on Speeder Cycling's site today. Looks good, but we only get to see a render for now.
https://www.speedercycling.com/Carbon-Integrated-Road-Disc-Frameset-SC-R55D-_p429.html
Material: Toray M40J T700 / T800
Type: 700C Road Disc
Appearance: UDM
Finish: Gloss / Matt (can offer custom painting)
Headset: FSA NO.55R ACR 1.5" Fully-Integrated
BB: Press Fit BB86.5*41mm
Standard Weight: 980g+/-35g (51cm)
SL Weight: 880g+/-35g (51cm)
Frame Size: 45cm / 48cm / 51cm / 54cm / 57cm
Handlebar Size: 370mm / 390mm / 410mm / 430mm (C to C in hoods)
Stem Size: 85mm / 95mm / 105mm / 115mm / 125mm
Cable Routing: Full Internal
Di2 Compatible: Yes
Disc Mount: Flat Mount
Max Tire Clearance: 700 x 32c
TA: 12x100mm / 12x142mm
Test: ISO 4210
Warranty: Two Years
Wow ... 2 frames in one week with a 57/58 with head angle below 73deg (other being Incolor).
How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.
Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.
My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.
bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo. second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed. taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.
increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.
from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have steeper head angles. whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles. the status quo is purely about package size.
also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.
Difficult to say by comparing the 3D rendering with real pictures, but is Speeder Cycling the OEM of the Tavelo Arow frame?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiNJ0NYzqGdItAT--8QRq24e6I0Vr8bS9mqG0AJVN2zg&s)
Interesting to hear about the custom paint. So that’s the matte carbon version then?
I built my SC-R55D last week. In this configuration it comes in 7.05kg. I could easily shave more grams off, but I am happy with the weight for now. This morning was my first work out and the bike felt good under me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fbwVbHHrSzNUtRyG6
I built my SC-R55D last week. In this configuration it comes in 7.05kg. I could easily shave more grams off, but I am happy with the weight for now. This morning was my first work out and the bike felt good under me.Do you have more pics? Considering this one as an alternative to LCR017...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fbwVbHHrSzNUtRyG6
The bike looks quite good and with potential.
The spacers however don't seem to fit perfectly, but maybe it's the picture. looks like the bottom one is too long and is not the shape of the fork. Is that the pic or a feature?
I ordered the spacers aftermarket. So they weren't intended to fit perfectly. Especially the wide ones.OK. That justifies it. In any case, nice looking bike ;)
It is the same photo that speeder uses on their website for the SC-R55D.
Adapt calls it the FM55 (http://www.adapt-bikes.com/Products-detail?product_id=100) (see: three more 3D renderings). Looks identical except Adapt says theirs has T47, which I don't think is possible without an entirely different frame mold, considering it's bigger than BB86. Or it's just a listing error.
I built my SC-R55D last week. In this configuration it comes in 7.05kg. I could easily shave more grams off, but I am happy with the weight for now. This morning was my first work out and the bike felt good under me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fbwVbHHrSzNUtRyG6
Can you put some pictures from the non drive side, i want to see hidden thruaxle
how would you put that bike on the trainer?
I'm curious to know if there is more feedback on how this frame rides. I'm also curious if anyone has more details on tire clearance. Where the tightest spots are, and what size tires people are fitting? Is this a 6mm of clearance with 32mm tires or a 4mm of clearance situation?
FYI, I asked for a quote and they told me that they have an exclusive deal with a German brand, so they won't sell any frames to individual customers in Germany. Too bad, this frame looks awesome.
FYI, I asked for a quote and they told me that they have an exclusive deal with a German brand, so they won't sell any frames to individual customers in Germany. Too bad, this frame looks awesome.
Well that is a shame, was planning to order one to germany...
Ican FL1 it is then
Or Workswell r316, but that is a tad more expensive.
Sorry for the delay.
I will get to the details.
Firstly, with the same wheels the bike has gained weight, it is 7.125 kg now. Made some quality of life adds - adding 70g of weight was shockingly easy to do.
The frame weighed 900 grams with paint, the UDH, and the FD hanger. The finish is very nice but there were oddities, such as the BB was 40.5mm, and compared to a Light Carbon frame I have the disk brake fittings weren't faced as well.
Components: Dura-ace, with a Riro carbon crankset, 50/34 chain rings, Favero assiomo uno power meter pedals, Selle Italia SLR saddle, Onirii 160mm Rotors front and back, Avian Canary 34 width handlebars, Light Carbon Wheels (68mm depth), YBN Chain, Conti GP 5000 TLR, and TPU tubes.
Wheels are here, they are excellent: https://www.lightcarbon.com/lightcarbon-super-light-c67db-undulating-rim-depth-carbon-spoke-road-wheels_p232.html
The build went really smooth other than mistakes I made, I am new to modern bikes and so I had to redo a lot of things.
Note - it comes with a 7 by 7 seat post clamp. Ask for the 7 by 9 if you need it.
Justin from Speeder was excellent, straight forward and accurate, maybe too direct for Canadian living in Wisconsin.
Another post will come in a few minutes with more pics.
Any other people have this bike ? I'm curious to hear some infos and see some pictures of fully built bike
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BGEDge6w1fjCR7FJ8
Photos of the bike.
Hi Hendie, thanks for pics and build details
I'm goind to pull the trigger for this frameset.
The only thing makes me hesitating is tire clearance.
My go-to wheelset at this moment is reserve 52/63 which has 35mm front, 34mm rear.
32c tires on them, expect almost identical to external rim width.
Can you give me a favor to measure how tight space between seatstays and chainstays in you 28c tires?
Got my frame size 51
On first look everything seems good, mounts are faced, no rough bearing seats, bb is faced and inside seems smooth
Only the headtube to downtube juction has something yellow? on the inside of the frame not sure what that is, everything else is smooth.
Was expecting the frame to be a bit lighter but its not too bad.
Weights:
Frame with rear and front derailleur hanger and bottlecage bolts: 930g
Fork uncut: 397g
Seatpost(0mm offset) with saddle clamp: 178g
Thru axles: 73g
UDH: 28g
Will post after i build the bike, still waiting for farsports hypers to be shipped.
Got my frame size 51
Took about a month for it to be shipped and 20 days for shipping, eu tax prepaid
On first look everything seems good, mounts are faced, no rough bearing seats, bb is faced and inside seems smooth
Only the headtube to downtube juction has something yellow? on the inside of the frame not sure what that is, everything else is smooth.
Does the clearcoat without painting is sufficient to protect the frame against the UV rays ?
Anyone here can measure tire clearance of the frame and fork?I have schwalbe pro one 30mm on 26mm internal rims. They measure 33mm. Fork is super wide can probably take 40mm, same as seatstays. Chainstays are the narrowest point but there's still a bit of room. I think 35 should fit.
I'm about to pulling the trigger but not sure if I can put 34-35mm actual width tires front and back.
I have schwalbe pro one 30mm on 26mm internal rims. They measure 33mm. Fork is super wide can probably take 40mm, same as seatstays. Chainstays are the narrowest point but there's still a bit of room. I think 35 should fit.pavlo, much appreciated! That chainstay part looks pretty tight but this isn't a gravel bike, think it's fine.
pavlo, much appreciated! That chainstay part looks pretty tight but this isn't a gravel bike, think it's fine.
Waiting for your full build and review.
Cheers
it's 4mm of clearance on either side so well within acceptable.It looks cool with those deep section wheels
the build is almost done. only need to install the bb and cranks and bleed the brakes
My build is ready.
Built with ltwoo er9 groupset and wheels from Peter
Weight with pedals and bottle cages is 7.7kg which is not the lightest but considering the size and a very deep rims it's not too bad. I originally installed riro carbon cranks but the chainrings turned out to be warped so I'm waiting for a replacement to arrive. With riro cranks the weight is getting close to 7.5kg
65s from Peter? what do they say on the scale?
Order submitted to Justin. Should be a fun build this winter!
| Part | Weight (g) | Notes |
| Frame (size 535) | 842.1 | Unpainted; completely bare (without hanger, FD tab, seatpost wedge clamp, etc) |
| Fork | 393.3 | Unpainted; steerer is 300mm |
| Seatpost (1-bolt setback) | 177.2 | Matte paint, with hardware; 40mm length |
| Seatpost (2-bolt zero-setback) | 171.2 | Matte paint, with hardware; 400mm length |
| Seatpost wedge clamp | 15.5 | |
| Seatpost Di2 battery wedge clamp | 7.4 | |
| Seatpost rubber cover | 4.7 | |
| FD tab + mounting screws | 15.5 | |
| Derailleur hanger (UDH) | 27.9 | Not SRAM-branded |
| Expander plug | 54.8 | |
| Headset top cover | 15.5 | Not FSA-branded; ~10mm height |
| Headset bearings | 61.2 | 51.8 x 40 x 8 mm, 36 x 45 deg |
| Headset spacer (5mm, each) | 5.7 | comes with 5x |
| Headset compression ring | 6.9 | |
| Bottle cage bolt (each) | 2.8 | comes with 5x |
| Bottle cage washer (each) | 0.3 | |
| All cable port plugs (5x) | 1.8 |
Did you get any updates after your order?
I couldn't get any response from him since 22nd Nov.
Isn't the SC-R55D the same as the Quick Pro AR:ONE ?
Who said that? Another thread?
Just had a first ride outside, frame seems good, much more comfortable than my previous bike, although it could also be the wheels and tires, since 28mm tires when inflated are 30mm because of the 24mm internal width
Issues i had building the bike.
The front thru axle was too long, so when i tighten it all the way the wheel was wobbly, so i put a 2mm spacer for now until i get new axle.
Brake mounts are faced but when i mounted the calipers i couldnt get discs not to rub in any position, i guess they are not parallel to the disc, i guess rubbing will stop after i use them for a bit, but i will go get the mounts faced.
Weight without the clip on aero bars is 7.4kg(pedals, bottle cages, garmin mount included)
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Got my frame size 51How.much did it work out with the pre-tax clearance to EU?
Took about a month for it to be shipped and 20 days for shipping, eu tax prepaid
On first look everything seems good, mounts are faced, no rough bearing seats, bb is faced and inside seems smooth
Only the headtube to downtube juction has something yellow? on the inside of the frame not sure what that is, everything else is smooth.
Was expecting the frame to be a bit lighter but its not too bad.
Weights:
Frame with rear and front derailleur hanger and bottlecage bolts: 930g
Fork uncut: 397g
Seatpost(0mm offset) with saddle clamp: 178g
Thru axles: 73g
UDH: 28g
Will post after i build the bike, still waiting for farsports hypers to be shipped.
A bit of an oversight on my part, deda super box stem only allows 2 brake cables and 1 di2 cable, i had in mind to run 2 cables to the junction in downtube and then to battery, will probably file the stem a bit to make space for 2 di2 cables, should be fine i guess?
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What are he handlebar and aerobar ?
How.much did it work out with the pre-tax clearance to EU?
Is this the standard or light version of the frame? Not sure if they actually offer the two yet.
Painting is complete. Now comes the slow build process. I noticed last night that the rear axle is a 1.5mm thread pitch, while the UDH is a 1.0mm pitch, so there is the first thing needing fixed
Question: why the angled stem and not go up a size? Is it handling, looks,...?I think I explained a bit in an earlier post, but the main reason is that I want the top tube to be as low as possible because my knees/inner thighs often rub it. I chose this frame because the size 535 has a reasonably low top tube, yet still has a front-center that would typically be found on a 58cm+ (606mm), which is kinda important at my height for descending stability, and also ensures no toe overlap due to my forward cleat position.
Got my frameset painted up. Now I need to buy a groupset…. So far my wife hasn’t been too upset so I’ll call that a win!
Just about ready to take on a maiden (outside) voyage! Still playing with painting the bottle cages the same as the frame. There’s some small things to add still, but it’s currently 16.0 lbs, or something.something kg.
Paint looks great. You use spray gun or rattle cans?
I only did a quick ride around the block with it, but it feels damn good. Can't wait to do a real ride with it.
Speeder did the paint job.
I also ordered it. How long did it take to receive it ?
I only did a quick ride around the block with it, but it feels damn good. Can't wait to do a real ride with it.Interesting! They refused to do any point for me, but were OK with changing finish (to matte gloss) and adding decals. My frame also took quite long to finish compared to yours, so I guess you have jumped on a "big batch for some brand is coming" wagon.
Speeder did the paint job.
What tightening torques did you use for everything ?
I read 10 N.m for the seat post but it looks a lot.
I want to say it was 6-8 N-m. My clamp has small teeth on it, and it didn't take much to make it stay put.
I did these:
Expandeur plug: 5
Seatpost clamp: 8
Rail saddle, Front and Rear: 4
Thru axle: 10
Rear derailleur hanger: 5
Stem bolts: 5
I rode exactly twice and nothing slipped. The seatpost torque range of 8-10 is pretty high, but since it's written on the clamp, the seatpost must be designed to handle it, right? [crosssing fingers]
Crashed on my speeder today at a local crit.
Only damage to the frame is at the buttom of the chainstays. I am a bit in doubt if I can ride with this or it is only cosmetics.
Frame was flying until i went too fast in a wet corner.
Just about ready to take on a maiden (outside) voyage! Still playing with painting the bottle cages the same as the frame. There’s some small things to add still, but it’s currently 16.0 lbs, or something.something kg.
what's the size of your frame?
I only did a quick ride around the block with it, but it feels damn good. Can't wait to do a real ride with it.
Speeder did the paint job.
nice paint job! what's the size of the frame?
Lol, you went from silly shallow to silly deep! Can your rims do a Pokemon thing and combine into the average of the 2 depths?
Be careful with such rims in the mountains. Cornering on that is awful, and if the weather doesnt cooperate, you will get thrown around like crazy. In a downhill + curve + bad wind shenanigans... best of luck!
Anyone share price of the frame? I don’t think they offer custom painting.
Size 535 (more like a 56-58cm).Hi. How tall are you and what is your inseam? Thanks
I received my frame in size 51. Quality looks amazing. Full review later.
Very nice! Is it glossy black paint? How much do they charge for painting?
I’ve tried to get in touch with speeder, but they are not responding to any kind of message.
Is justin@speedercycling.com the correct adress?
Weird. I’ve tried the message field on the website multiple times, no reply.
Email actually weeks ago, no reply.
I even tried instagram and they wouldn’t reply until I publicly commented on one of their posts…
Weird. I’ve tried the message field on the website multiple times, no reply.
Email actually weeks ago, no reply.
I even tried instagram and they wouldn’t reply until I publicly commented on one of their posts…
They did respond after i publicly commented on one of their Instagram Posts just to
ghost me again
Here is my review :
1) Communication
The messages were by mail only. Sometimes Justin answered within few hours but sometimes It was two or three days. I think that He is very busy. It is less easy to message him than some others sellers who use WhatsApp. However He answered to everything.
2) Production/shipping time
Production time : 27 days
Shipping time : 17 days
The package was well protected but a little damaged. It was not the fault of Speeder Cycling but the fault of the shipping company. There was a little problem with the box but Justin solved the problem quickly. So +1 for his help.
3) Quality of the frame
Inside was so smooth. The paint and clearcoat look very nice. Calipers were faced, no excess painting, same for the BB. Perfect bearing seats. It looks like a very high quality frame. To be honest, I was impress by the quality.
4) Accessories
Spacers (FSA like) are also nice. There is a Di2 battery holder which is nice.
5) Handlebar
I chose the 370 mm handlebar which is on their SC-R55D website. This handlebar is very stiff and inspires trust, no flex even during sprinting.
6) Build
Everything was perfect. I aligned the break caliper in less than 5 minutes (for both). I installed the BB86 pressfit without any problem (thanks to @Serge for the advice of use Liqui Moly Grease). It seems that the handlebar can handle mechanic groupset.
7) Ride
I installed the Ultegra Di2 groupset with the Tagoola Wheels. I won't make a review of the Ultegra because everybody know it :D. For a review of the wheels (I really like them), you can check the other topic.
The frame develop confidence. It is fast and confortable. My longest ride is only 60 km but I can not wait to make longer rides.
Very stable above 60 km/h, I don't have any problem to climb. When I sprint (and thanks to the combo frame / Tagoola wheels / Ultegra) at 1000 W or a little more, there is no disc rubbing.
8) Conclusion
I strongly recommand Speeder Cycling for the quality of the frame. You will not be disappointed. The frame has nothing to envy of a Giant Propel for exemple.
It is not written Speciali*ed or Fac*or on the frame but It will be as fast or faster :).
Looks great! What are dimensions of wheels and tires?
Does anyone know which seatpost of known brands has the same shape (or very-very similar) as SC-R55? Would like to get neat Varia mount...Rose x lite looks quite similar.
Does anyone know which seatpost of known brands has the same shape (or very-very similar) as SC-R55? Would like to get neat Varia mount...
Since I have a little over 2,000 km on the bike, I thought I’d do a short update.
I'm a little conflicted about the bike, but it has nothing to do with any problems with the bike itself—rather, it's about the bike it's intended to replace.
I built it to replace my Rose Reveal endurance bike, as I wanted something that looked faster and cooler so I could show off my race rig in front of my mates on a coffee ride and try a more aggressive position. Since I don’t race, actual performance and aerodynamics make little difference to me. I was mostly going for looks, weight, and fit.
The bike is awesome. Frame quality is really good—it's stiff, and it’s the lightest bike I’ve ever owned (currently 7.3 kg ready to ride, with pedals and Garmin mount, in the largest size). So far, so good.
The cracks are starting to show, however, when I switch back to my old bike for some rides. After riding exclusively on the Speeder for a few months, it's instantly clear how much better the Rose is—at least for me.
Comfort is just a night-and-day difference. I wouldn’t say the Speeder is necessarily uncomfortable—I'm pretty happy with my position (even though I still struggle with saddle choice)—but my old bike is just on another level.
I don’t usually notice things like “compliance” or “rolling resistance,” but the Rose just floats over rough surfaces in comparison. I have the same tires set up tubeless on both, at the same pressure. I also used the same saddle. So the difference really comes down to frame and seatpost compliance.
Frankly, the Rose has a gimmicky, super-flexible seatpost which—until now—I thought didn’t make much difference. But the front-end comfort is also superior on the Rose, so it's not just the seatpost.
I initially planned to sell my endurance bike as soon as the new build was finished...
But now I have to keep both bikes ;D
Thanks for sharing your experience. I went on geometrygeeks.bike to compare both bikes, and the geometry is so different i'm actually lost, which tells me you dont belong on a race bike, just like most people, and it's absolutely fine.
Also, that Rose Reveal looks really nice, actually!
Given that Rose is a catalogue buyer of chinese frames, and that Speeder is a revered OEM manufacturer for companies like Rose, i really doubt that Rose bikes are intrinsically better than Speeder, but it does sound like you found a geometry & frame that work for you, and that's great.
If you dont care about extra speed and ride bad roads, i'd consider selling the speeder, because comfort really does matter. I sold my giant propel for that very reason.
What crankset and calipers are you using? they both look cool.
I'll add my two cents here.
I have ridden a speeder rc48d / winspace slc 2.0 and it was the least compliant bike carbon bike I have ridden.
Currently on a Tarmac SL7 and it's a world of difference same wheels/tire combination.
What do You mean by least compliant? Im ready to pull a trigger for SC-R55D in change of my Bianchi Sprint.
Would it be harshier even after putting 30c instead of 28c?
What do You mean by least compliant? Im ready to pull a trigger for SC-R55D in change of my Bianchi Sprint.I bought the frame in hope it will be slightly comfier than my previous bike yet good for racing.
Would it be harshier even after putting 30c instead of 28c?
I don't find my bike harsh at all. Currently running 30 or 32c tires depending on which wheelset it the flavor of the wind. Took a hot minute to track down all the creaking. Turned out I forgot to carbon grip the seatpost.... Oops.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I went on geometrygeeks.bike to compare both bikes, and the geometry is so different i'm actually lost, which tells me you dont belong on a race bike, just like most people, and it's absolutely fine.
Also, that Rose Reveal looks really nice, actually!
Given that Rose is a catalogue buyer of chinese frames, and that Speeder is a revered OEM manufacturer for companies like Rose, i really doubt that Rose bikes are intrinsically better than Speeder, but it does sound like you found a geometry & frame that work for you, and that's great.
If you dont care about extra speed and ride bad roads, i'd consider selling the speeder, because comfort really does matter. I sold my giant propel for that very reason.
What crankset and calipers are you using? they both look cool.
If you only had the Speeder, you wouldn't know that Rose would be so much more comfortable, and you'd probably find the Speeder to be plenty comfortable :)
Rose x lite looks quite similar.
My friend has one, he'll measure the dimensions and I'll compare it to my speeder
Okay, so it's time to say a few words about my plan for this frameset.
I am currently riding my first road bike Bianchi Sprint size 53 on 105 Di2, which I bought in July 2024 - due to the huge saddle to bar drop (125mm) and the search for comfort, I plan to sell it and spend the entire amount on this project.
I have pre-ordered a Speeder SC-R55D frame in size 510 in white gloss and 50/60mm speeder wheels with wide rims.
I plan to install Ultegra Di2 groupset on the bike, but I'm still considering changing the original crankset to spider powermeter (Sigeyi/XCADEY), carbon cranks (Elilee?) and Pass Quest/Stone chainrings.
Below I paste the project table, my current bike and the speeder rim profile.
EDIT: As it is my first build im open for any suggestions and tips!
Have you gotten this built yet?! Excited to see it in white, cause that's what I'd do also
Idk about this frame. In a size 58 for me, the wheelbase is 1020. That seems crazy long and not ideal for crit racing...
Elaborating on this would be valuable for the audience.
Why is it the only size 58 I'm finding with that long of a wheelbase? Most are around 20-15mm shorter. With my limited knowledge the 1020 just seems longer than what I'm finding on other bikes geared for racing. I'm sure it feels solid. How does the wheelbase number make you feel?Which bike do you compare it to?
Why is it the only size 58 I'm finding with that long of a wheelbase? Most are around 20-15mm shorter. With my limited knowledge the 1020 just seems longer than what I'm finding on other bikes geared for racing. I'm sure it feels solid. How does the wheelbase number make you feel?
Which bike do you compare it to?
When I compare to the rose xlite, which this frame reminds me of, the geo is somewhere between sizes 59 and 61 and the wheelbase for these sizes are 1013 and 1027 so speeder lands right in the middle.
A 59 and 61 are much 'larger' sizes. An SL8 and Factor Ostro Vam in size 58 has a wb of 1006. Cannondale SSE 1007. Size L(57.2)Canyon Aeroad is 1001. Y1Rs is around 1000. Cervelo S5 999.I don't know what you mean by 'much larger sizes'. In the speeder geo table the largest size is 560, the one that assume you refer to as 58. But that 560 is just a length of a seat tube. When you look at the other numbers like top tube and reach, this size is something I would consider an XL. I am 193cm tall and this size is spot on for me(maybe a touch smaller than what I usually ride) but I'm probably on the higher end of the height range for this frame.
Hi Guys,
Long time lurker here. Based on what I read on the forum, several months ago ordered my first frame, the SC-R55D.
Coming from a rim brake SS EVO, I had high hopes and wanted something better than the Aliexpress frames.
Finally received the frame yesterday and I am not sure some things are acceptable.
1. There is a weird peeling near the front derailleur mounts(img_7247).
2. Bottom bracket, delamination(img_7243). This is the most worrying for me. Can it be damage from transport or it left the factory like this ? From what I know once it starts delaminating it is risky to ride, especially in the BB area.
3. Top of headtube, damage on the rim of the tube and on the bearing seat.
4. Seat tube, cosmetic damage on the rim of the hole and what looks like a lot of filler on the inside of the seat tube.
5. No di2 battery hanger included but 3 screws on the downtube. Where should I mount the battery, seatpost ?
I expected a perfect frame for the price but now I am a bit lost as it is my first frame buy.
Could someone please advise if these things are "normal" and acceptable to ride ? pictures attached
It looks like a totally different frame from what I had. The finish of my frame is way better and perfect (you can have a look at some pictures on this topic). It is even above of some major western brands.The battery is mounted on the downtube, right ?
I also received with the frame a Di2 battery holder. It is a small piece which looks like a seatpost clamp.
The battery is mounted on the downtube, right ?
Hi Guys,
Long time lurker here. Based on what I read on the forum, several months ago ordered my first frame, the SC-R55D.
Coming from a rim brake SS EVO, I had high hopes and wanted something better than the Aliexpress frames.
Finally received the frame yesterday and I am not sure some things are acceptable.
1. There is a weird peeling near the front derailleur mounts(img_7247).
2. Bottom bracket, delamination(img_7243). This is the most worrying for me. Can it be damage from transport or it left the factory like this ? From what I know once it starts delaminating it is risky to ride, especially in the BB area.
3. Top of headtube, damage on the rim of the tube and on the bearing seat.
4. Seat tube, cosmetic damage on the rim of the hole and what looks like a lot of filler on the inside of the seat tube.
5. No di2 battery hanger included but 3 screws on the downtube. Where should I mount the battery, seatpost ?
I expected a perfect frame for the price but now I am a bit lost as it is my first frame buy.
Could someone please advise if these things are "normal" and acceptable to ride ? pictures attached
Maybe it's the pictures, but i'm not seeing what you're seeing.
1. FD mount. Looks like the paint just peeled off. Probably they masked the bolts, and the paint peeled off when they removed the masking tape. I wouldnt worry. Potentially, put some nail polish where the paint is missing. But that looks purely cosmetic, and you'll have the FD mounted there anyway.
2. i dont see delamination. Where do you see that?
3. dry fit a bearing and see if it fits properly. That imperfection isn't ideal, but i think it's completely harmless. Tolerances are much more important (does it fit without wobbling / rocking).
4. if we're looking at the same imperfection, then it's completely harmless to the point i probably wouldn't notice it.
If it were a spaceship, these things would matter. It's a bike frame. The internals on your pictures actually look super clean, which seems much more important.
The battery is mounted on the downtube, right ?
My speeder was great but potential gaps in QC can occur.
I think it’s funny you expect a perfect frame for the price.
I'm French, complaining for me is an art de vivre.
But even on these pictures i dont understand what i'm looking at.
By all means, if the BB is indeed delaminating, speak w Justin, but if you provide him w evidence, please do better than what you shared so far, because i dont see the problems you see on these 2 pictures, and it's probably best to hit him first with the best quality evidence you can provide, as opposed to a blurry picture that's a cropped bit of a wider photo.
Ah, now I see! It does look bad! Let us know what Justin says. I wonder if you couldn't just pull on that flake and shear it off and move on. That piece is probably a fraction of a gram, if the rest of the area is resin infused properly it's probably nothing.
I thought the 55d didn’t ship to Germany?I don't think they ship to Germany, just wanted ironic but not screaming reference to the Chinese origin of the bike :)
What are those bottle cages :) are those really the trek ones?
Bike looks great. I’d say the painting isn’t that special. That’s also how I got my 48D. And that was more or less default colorway (either matte or glossy)
I don't think they ship to Germany, just wanted ironic but not screaming reference to the Chinese origin of the bike :)Can you post a closeup of the effect then I answer properly ;)
Your 48D also has marble finish under the coating or it's plain black? Because I meant marble finish (matte or gloss) as a fine touch to the simple finish.
The cages are Cannondale Gripper with Regrip aero bottles. I choose them over the Trek ones because 1) they are significantly cheaper; 2) opening of the bottles is not stupidly narrow; 3) it is possible to fit standard bottles in the cage.
Perhaps you have 3D model file for it? The only one I could find is from ridiculously overpriced sloperoad.com
I am actually using the mount from my old giant propel 2024. Not the exact same mount, but its working :)
Can you post a closeup of the effect then I answer properly ;)Here. I haven't seen such finish from any other brand but it seems standard for this frame.
Perhaps you have 3D model file for it? The only one I could find is from ridiculously overpriced sloperoad.com
Here. I haven't seen such finish from any other brand but it seems standard for this frame.
Perhaps you have 3D model file for it? The only one I could find is from ridiculously overpriced sloperoad.comYeah my 48D has the same effect/finish.
Here. I haven't seen such finish from any other brand but it seems standard for this frame.
Elite also does this finish on some of their wheels. I have a matte version and I do like it but there's a couple of things that annoy me:1) I think it looks really good like that.
1) some parts of the frame are not raw but painted black. I think they spray paint joints and parts of the frame where carbon looks kinda ugly. I personally would rather have ugly carbon showing that just black paint. It is very obvious and does not look great especially in the direct sunlight when carbon weave reflects it but painted parts remain just black. It looks the worst on the fork where the entire crown and bottom part where the dropouts are connected are painted.
3) my girlfriend hated it and keeps remind me how horrible it looks >:(
Came across this bike built on R55D frame.I find it funny the bike is positioned as all-road or even light gravel frame, while it is just a regular modern road geometry. And the price tag is stupid too.
For some reason it doesn't look very cool in this build and colorway. Gives me cheap and generic vibes while the price is kidna crazy.
One difference : Front thru axle is not hidden as compared to the Speeder.it is hidden. it's exactly the same frame. They just have same model build on a different speeder frame in a lower spec https://www.bike24.com/p2794867.html (https://www.bike24.com/p2794867.html)
Pictured like this, it feels like an alternative to the sl7 / SL8 without being a copy of it. Looks nice.
I thought they don't accept paint jobs?
Yeah in the sales section it was also referred to as the new layup.
Do you think they’d mention EPS if it were done that way?
Can we agree that we changed the carbon layup since the first post? It is now T800/1100 and MJ40 end. And they lowered the weight by 100gs. Size 51 is now 780g. If this is true I think it makes the frame quite a bit more interesting. I wish they did EPS moulding.I think it has been this way quite a while ago. My 54 with stock furniture and coating is 916 g, ordered in December.
The EPs former id dipped in latex. The EPs/latex form is wrapped with CF. That latex is the bladder which is the inflated.
Older methods used bladders made of other materials and without a former. I.e. both use gas pressure to consolidate the plys
I finished my build.
Quality is amazing, i didnt find any suprises.
Three things to look after:
- Shimano pressfit BB went almost without resistance
- One bolt seat clamp is shit (used on offset seatpost) it slipped after few potholes.
- Once i pushed seatpost into frame it was battle to raise the saddle (too tight HT propably)
I very like look and overall handling of the bike - i would buy it once again
Size is 510. Wheels are 60mm with 24mm internal on DT350 hubs with Sapim CX and brass nipples from Justin.
I'd get the 55D over the 17D all day, every day.
did you put Loctite on seatclamp bolts? And of course, how is the ride feel compared to your previous bike? I am close to buying either this or LCR017D.
Looks awesome. What did the frame/fork weigh?
I'm planning my first build, and the first frameset I considered was LTK268-D. After reading this topic, I'm having second thoughts. Is 268 dated compared to this frame?
I don't mind the price difference between the two, and according to this thread QC is great.
Just placed an order for LTK268. Ultimately i like the look of this frame more. Also as you said, geometry is more manageable.
Nice one. Good luck with the build! I am close to ordering one myself
Try FM096 from Mondince which is pretty much the same as Longteng. Though they only have size 52 at the moment but you can ask of they have new sizes now
Anyone tried to mount 35mm tires? How's the clearance? I am planning to use it for (not too muddy) cyclocross because I want to sell my older TCX.
Maybe a small update which some might not have seen.
You can now get the frame in T47 with the nicer layup with any MOQs and there is also a zero offset seatpost, which makes this frame quite nice.
Anyone here with the bike who wouldnt mind sharing their long term experiences with the bike?
I have my bike for over a year now and about 8000km. The bike is excellent with a couple of caveats. I've built a lot of chinese frames at this point (2 velobuilds, lightcarbon, spcycle) a this one is above all of them by a huge margin in terms of quality but it's a bit more expensive as well. Ive never owned any of the premium chinese frames so don't really know how it would compare.
some minor problems I've had are clear coat overspray in the headset that i had to clean up and a creaky seatpost. I haven't solved the seatpost problem completely and it keeps coming back. My saddle is set up almost as high as it can go so there's quite a bit of leverage that is contributing to creaking.
Not a huge fan of the handlebar too. Finish quality is fantastic but it's a little heavy in my opinion and a shape does not work for me: drops are too round and I can't find a comfy hand position, also not a fan of a short reach.
I switched from a super comfy endurance bike so the frameset felt quite harsh initially and I could not find a saddle that would work with this geo but this problem was solved since.
TL;DR
Frame is great. would buy again but without a cockpit
Can you tell me which saddle you have?
I use eva version of this https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006016969601.html (https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006016969601.html) saddle. it's super cheap and super light at about 120g. I went though probably 10 different saddles before I found this one. I liked it so much that I now have one on all of my bikes.
I have my bike for over a year now and about 8000km. The bike is excellent with a couple of caveats. I've built a lot of chinese frames at this point (2 velobuilds, lightcarbon, spcycle) a this one is above all of them by a huge margin in terms of quality but it's a bit more expensive as well. Ive never owned any of the premium chinese frames so don't really know how it would compare.
some minor problems I've had are clear coat overspray in the headset that i had to clean up and a creaky seatpost. I haven't solved the seatpost problem completely and it keeps coming back. My saddle is set up almost as high as it can go so there's quite a bit of leverage that is contributing to creaking.
Not a huge fan of the handlebar too. Finish quality is fantastic but it's a little heavy in my opinion and a shape does not work for me: drops are too round and I can't find a comfy hand position, also not a fan of a short reach.
I switched from a super comfy endurance bike so the frameset felt quite harsh initially and I could not find a saddle that would work with this geo but this problem was solved since.
TL;DR
Frame is great. would buy again but without a cockpit
Big thanks! Do you have any idea which cockpit you wouldve gone for instead? My problem is the reach of only 125 as well.
Just wanted to leave an update.
The frame has already been delivered!
Loved how well it was protected and packaged, unfortunately I've not been able to take a lot of photos yet but will do soon.
I do want to ask about a couple of fiber's showing up on the seat tube and ask your opinion on if it's something I should worry or not.
Looks bad tbh. Big shards of carbon not attached to the frame isn't good. The finish quality inside looks rough and bad.
But it's probably the pictures that make it look worse than it is.
I would take a video and send it to the seller.
Stating the obvious, but you can't have large loose shards of carbon in a frame, as these have zero structural integrity. Maybe what you're showing is bag residue or something, but I would reach out to the seller. How's the rest of the frame?
Mind sharing more photos?
Rest of the frame looks super clean. As someone completely unqualified, you're probably fine. It's not like you ordered from tantan. Ride it, worst case, it cracks around the seat post, and you then get it replaced, just monitor the area.
I'd email the seller to mention that. saying that you expect them to honour the warranty if that questionable area ends up breaking.
i dont think it makes sense to try and get the frame replaced, it seems unreasonable.
Do you have geometry charts? Maybe I can compare them to my Adapt DP-B02.
Edit: I searched the bike and checked the geometry. While the design has some similarities, geometry is just tad a bit different compared to my DP-B02. But one thing is for sure, Adapt/Speeder make bikes for Parapera.
That's definitely s55d and there's noghing unusual about it. I'm interested in the composite titanium frame that is also based on the same frame. Just surprised they used an open mold frame for such an expensive project(they sell framesets for 5000 euros) Wonder if they've got the frame from speeder in pieces or just cut the frame and then glued it back together with 3d printed titanium lugsMonocoque frame like this are usually produces in 2 diferent parts, front triangle and rear triangle separated. I'm wondering why to get a monocoque frame, cut the frame and glue 3d printed titanium lugs.... I hope they are not doing it! it would be non sense
Monocoque frame like this are usually produces in 2 diferent parts, front triangle and rear triangle separated. I'm wondering why to get a monocoque frame, cut the frame and glue 3d printed titanium lugs.... I hope they are not doing it! it would be non senseLuckily for Parapera, Speeder is not monocoque :)
Luckily for Parapera, Speeder is not monocoque :)I'm really surprised by this..... :o
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Do you have some photos of the bike from outside? What saddle height did you set, measured from the bottom bracket?
I'm between sizes 535 and 560, but I prefer the 560; I could ride it without spacers. The longer head tube also looks a bit better.
Edit: You can now also select the type of BB: "BB: Press Fit BB86.5 or T47"
How tall are you? I'm 193 and I run quite a few spacers. the stack is pretty low. saddle height is 86cm from bb center to the top of the saddle
How tall are you? I'm 193 and I run quite a few spacers. the stack is pretty low. saddle height is 86cm from bb center to the top of the saddleNot sure whether the bike is that big or the bottle is that small...
You was on the last bikeshow video on YT correct? ;D
I recognize that bike!
Not sure whether the bike is that big or the bottle is that small...
How tall are you? I'm 193 and I run quite a few spacers. the stack is pretty low. saddle height is 86cm from bb center to the top of the saddle
Thanks for the picture.
I'm 1.80m tall, but with an inseam of about 87cm, my legs are a bit longer than usual, and my arms aren't exactly short in proportion to my torso. My saddle height is about 760mm.
Currently, I ride a 2018 TCR Rim Brake in M/L (stack 562, reach 398) with 15mm spacers. So, I would ride the 535 with the Light Carbon cockpit with an 8mm rise and a 110mm stem + 10mm spacers.
I would ride the 560 with a cockpit without rise, a 100mm stem, and no spacers.
The riding position would then be almost identical on all three bikes.
How tall are you? I'm 193 and I run quite a few spacers. the stack is pretty low. saddle height is 86cm from bb center to the top of the saddle
Could you send link to that saddle? I know that it's RYET but what model? Thanks ;)
Thanks for the picture.I am almost your dimensions (180 cm, ~86 inseam, regular arms) and I have 535 frame with 130 stem and 78 reach handlebars, 10 mm spacer. Coincidentally, I have TCX size ML :)
I'm 1.80m tall, but with an inseam of about 87cm, my legs are a bit longer than usual, and my arms aren't exactly short in proportion to my torso. My saddle height is about 760mm.
Currently, I ride a 2018 TCR Rim Brake in M/L (stack 562, reach 398) with 15mm spacers. So, I would ride the 535 with the Light Carbon cockpit with an 8mm rise and a 110mm stem + 10mm spacers.
I would ride the 560 with a cockpit without rise, a 100mm stem, and no spacers.
The riding position would then be almost identical on all three bikes.
I am almost your dimensions (180 cm, ~86 inseam, regular arms) and I have 535 frame with 130 stem and 78 reach handlebars, 10 mm spacer. Coincidentally, I have TCX size ML :)
You may check my bike few pages back. I will change my cockpit to get extra 10 mm but it is mostly to go further down the progressive-agressive fit, if you are on the more traditional side it is fine as it is.
I think you will be fine with 535 setup, 560 will be very long and you get little to no seatpost exposed. I definitely wouldn't put one piece bar yet, just try separate cockpit if you are not settled with the position.
Thanks, buddy. I've actually already seen your bike, I like it quite a bit. Does the glossy finish cost extra?Gloss finish was free of charge.
Yeah, I think 535 is the way to go. This is my second year and I'm slowly getting closer to my optimal position. I currently have a 110mm stem on my TCR. It's pretty much perfect for Zone 2, but for higher efforts in aero tucks, it could be a bit longer.
So the idea of a separate cockpit for now isn't bad either.
I am almost your dimensions (180 cm, ~86 inseam, regular arms) and I have 535 frame with 130 stem and 78 reach handlebars, 10 mm spacer. Coincidentally, I have TCX size ML :)
You may check my bike few pages back. I will change my cockpit to get extra 10 mm but it is mostly to go further down the progressive-agressive fit, if you are on the more traditional side it is fine as it is.
I think you will be fine with 535 setup, 560 will be very long and you get little to no seatpost exposed. I definitely wouldn't put one piece bar yet, just try separate cockpit if you are not settled with the position.
Finally built the bike up, did battled with the internal cable routing ( but that's on me for wanting to use a mechanical groupset and setting up the brakes reversed the first time).
Haven't been able to do a real ride on it, just around the block but it seems way more comfortable that I was expecting, I'm coming from a Look 586 with Cosmic all carbon wheels.
For the curious ones the bike setup is as follows:
Frame: SC-R55D - BB86.5 - Size 510 (was weighing 900g bare frame :( )
Wheels: Tagoola - Aeroraptor 60/50 (1230g)
Handlebar: Lexon thin line 400/110 (320g)
Seat: Ryet G01 (100g)
Groupset: Shimano 105 - 12 Speed Mechanical
Crankset: Goldix 53-39T chainrings with CRUZBIKE (Titanium axle)
Cassette/Pedals/Chain/BB: Dura-ace (cassette 11-30T)
Disk rotors Shimano (not sure the model)
GPS Bracket: Zrace titanium
Bottles: AhyKa Aerodynamic
Bike as it stands in the photos is 7KG
The objective was to take it to below the 7kg with all, maybe when I move to a 1x I will be able to do it.
Looks good, can you take a photo with the bottles on the bike, interested to see the downtube to bottle transition
Looks good, can you take a photo with the bottles on the bike, interested to see the downtube to bottle transition
- saddle clamp bolt position makes it impossible to reach the front bolt with torque wrench and regular head - ended up tightening it by feel
I have a question:It's a new layup.
Anyone knows why initial post mentioned T700/T800 carbon, but official site is Toray M40J T800 / T1100 now?
I have a question:
Anyone knows why initial post mentioned T700/T800 carbon, but official site is Toray M40J T800 / T1100 now?
Mine fits just right. You can buy ball end hex bits for hard to reach areas. I usually use those on brake mounts and shifter boltsMine has similar shape and when I try to torque it up to spec, it slips - the angle is not close enough to 90 degree. And it scratches the seatpost too... Anyway, it's not that much of a trouble :)
Ordered: Geometry looks pretty progressive for 535 frame: reach is long - 399, but stack is not too high. 0-offset is available also.
Much, much wiser choice than Ali frame. I'm yet to see anyone hating on their Speeder frame.
Looking to get this and wondering about geometry. Is their size 450 closer to a size 48 in Cannondale? I plugged them into Bike Insights and this looks like a slightly more aggressive Supersix Evo frame in my size of 48. Would this be right? I'm only 5'5 so can't really go to any smaller size.You are right. And it's pretty much the same as the 2026 model.
Also how do you get started with ordering? Click on the contact button on the website or email justin?
Question about geometry as I am considering this frame. I am 175cms, 80cms in seam. Currently ride a Medium Giant TCR with 5mm spacer, 110mm stem. Would a size 480 or 510 be more suited for me?
Question about geometry as I am considering this frame. I am 175cms, 80cms in seam. Currently ride a Medium Giant TCR with 5mm spacer, 110mm stem. Would a size 480 or 510 be more suited for me?
Bike is ready and even did one race on itThis frame looks a while lot like the Twitter gravel v3 in this image
Hi, I’m slowly building my frame up but struggling to figure out how to install the shimano di2 battery. Any tips or is there a battery retention mechanism I’m missing?
Thank you
Looks similar to rose xlitelooks nice, has anyone asked the price yet?
This frame is very similar to the gravel Twitter v3 in this image.