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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: James dean on August 17, 2024, 08:48:05 PM
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Hey all.
Anyone here familiar with no6 wheels. Looks like carports wheels to me. Curious what others think?
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Yes it's just a rebrand of off the shelf farsports parts for double the price. Internal on the front is too wide for road and will cause a number of problems. I don't see what there is to talk about. Farsports wheels have been discussed to death on weightweenies and for this price it's a waste of money.
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That’s exactly what I thought. Thank you
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Yes it's just a rebrand of off the shelf farsports parts for double the price. Internal on the front is too wide for road and will cause a number of problems. I don't see what there is to talk about. Farsports wheels have been discussed to death on weightweenies and for this price it's a waste of money.
Which parts? I can't find those 34mm wide wheels for Farsports anywhere.
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Also this is a different forum.
Just because it was on ww doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed here again.
At this point, all the Chiner town "experts" = WW and YouTube comments section scrapers with second hand hearsay accounts. Without any explanation or actual experience with the products/frames they are taking a dump on.
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Who said it can't be discussed here ?' can see anything like that mate.
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Which parts? I can't find those 34mm wide wheels for Farsports anywhere.
Because it's a gravel rim fs30/34G
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Who said it can't be discussed here ?' can see anything like that mate.
I had to double check if we are in same thread still. Are you saying that in a thread with 7 replies, you can't see a comment that says there is nothing to talk about as it has been discussed already on WW?
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Because it's a bigger knowledge base, including ppl who actually own the product. If you have any questions, chances are, that thread has answered them five times over and if it hasn't, those users are certainly more likely to give you correct information.
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I had to double check if we are in same thread still. Are you saying that in a thread with 7 replies, you can't see a comment that says there is nothing to talk about as it has been discussed already on WW?
I think you need a coffebreak mate, no one bans you from talking about it, toxin just expressed his view on it. He mentioned that it has a huge thread on WW. it's over 200 pages so it's the best source of knowledge about farsports wheels. I think you won't find a better source then this one. If anyone wants to know anything about farsports should really have a first look there.
It's hard to beat 200 pages of discussion so I gotta agree with toxin that there is not much to add. But if you have those wheels and want to share your experience also here it would be nice :)
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Double post
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https://www.no6.works/products/4550?VariantsId=10036
Hadnt heard of them.
I have pretty much the opposite widths on my bike, w wheels from Peter from Carbonspeed (on the forum). Wide in the front and very wide in the rear. And mine are 55-60mm deep.
If i were to order again i'd get the 34mm width front and back, because that way you can run 30 or 32C and you know the rim will be (a bit) wider, which should be aero optimized. My ContiGP5000 32C on the 34mm wide at the rear measures 33.5mm, it's pretty awesome. On bad mountain roads, i motor through most things. In the front i'm running 30C, and if i put 32C on that rim, i'd get a bit of a lightbulb effect. When i ordered i didnt have the courage to put a 34mm rim in front, i thought it was too much. Mistake on my part.
My current setup is by far the fastest bike i've been on, and i'm faster on the flat than everybody i ride with, very noticeably, including sworks, scotts, cannondale and so on. So ultimately my equipment choices have worked.
i'm 81-85kg, so for road cycling purposes, i'm a unit. My zone 2 is ~35kmh, so aero does matter. in fact i'm on a bike where the whole "it holds its speed well" fluff makes sense. you can feel the bike is just there when going at 15kmh, but at 30kmh+, it feels fun to go vroom vroom, you dont feel like you're pushing against an invisible wall, the bike slips through and it feels super nice. Or rather me on the bike slips through, as it's obviously mostly about my position on the bike. Can't go 40kmh in Z2 sitting up like a sail.
Off topic but do You have an idea of your power at 35 km/h on flat road ?
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https://www.no6.works/products/4550?VariantsId=10036
Hadnt heard of them.
I have pretty much the opposite widths on my bike, w wheels from Peter from Carbonspeed (on the forum). Wide in the front and very wide in the rear. And mine are 55-60mm deep.
If i were to order again i'd get the 34mm width front and back, because that way you can run 30 or 32C and you know the rim will be (a bit) wider, which should be aero optimized. My ContiGP5000 32C on the 34mm wide at the rear measures 33.5mm, it's pretty awesome. On bad mountain roads, i motor through most things. In the front i'm running 30C, and if i put 32C on that rim, i'd get a bit of a lightbulb effect. When i ordered i didnt have the courage to put a 34mm rim in front, i thought it was too much. Mistake on my part.
My current setup is by far the fastest bike i've been on, and i'm faster on the flat than everybody i ride with, very noticeably, including sworks, scotts, cannondale and so on. So ultimately my equipment choices have worked.
i'm 81-85kg, so for road cycling purposes, i'm a unit. My zone 2 is ~35kmh, so aero does matter. in fact i'm on a bike where the whole "it holds its speed well" fluff makes sense. you can feel the bike is just there when going at 15kmh, but at 30kmh+, it feels fun to go vroom vroom, you dont feel like you're pushing against an invisible wall, the bike slips through and it feels super nice. Or rather me on the bike slips through, as it's obviously mostly about my position on the bike. Can't go 40kmh in Z2 sitting up like a sail.
Interesting take. I’m just a bit hesitant about how wide the front rim is. Seems like a better gravel rim then road
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It straight up is a gravel rim. It's from Farports' gravel line
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It straight up is a gravel rim. It's from Farports' gravel line
im familiar with the name farsports but have never used the wheels. Are they any good?
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These generic wheels generally do not have actual aero work done and very few will even show that they did CFD. This might seem marginal, but the even for optimized wheels the aero difference between a 40mm deep wheel and a 80mm one is like <10w at TT speeds. Poor design can easily erase gains that small. A lot of the aero charts also weigh high yaw angles more, overstating their benefits. IMO, there is very little point to buying aero wheels and frames that were not developed with aero in mind. That said, Far Sports is one of the more reputable carbon rim makers that sell DTC. My experience is a few years old and outdated, but I would say Light Bicycle made better rims back then. I've heard good things but have yet to experience the quality of their complete wheels.
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Farsports definitely doesn't do any aero work
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the marketing was done extremely well, (pat lino, GC Performance, and lately mike from norcal cycling all received a pair from KG), just like the CRW wheels. They all come from OEM wheels manufacturers based in Xiamen. I can already see similar specs offered on CarbonSpeed. but i must say the decals look really good. Also, guess what no. 6 corresponds to on the periodic table.
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the marketing was done extremely well, (pat lino, GC Performance, and lately mike from norcal cycling all received a pair from KG), just like the CRW wheels. They all come from OEM wheels manufacturers based in Xiamen. I can already see similar specs offered on CarbonSpeed. but i must say the decals look really good. Also, guess what no. 6 corresponds to on the periodic table.
They are just farsports wheels
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It’s crazy just how many wheel manufacturers are out of xiamen. I can’t really see a lot of differences between all the manufacturers. Most offer the same depths and carbon spokes. Elite for the price I think are great wheels
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It’s crazy just how many wheel manufacturers are out of xiamen. I can’t really see a lot of differences between all the manufacturers. Most offer the same depths and carbon spokes. Elite for the price I think are great wheels
There are few manufacturers. Rest are just marketing companies that but rims from one of this big factory and out their branding.
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^ yep
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There are few manufacturers. Rest are just marketing companies that but rims from one of this big factory and out their branding.
Crazy the way this industry works
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Crazy the way this industry works
That's a little winspace shill and winspace also does not own the factory but use one of the big one in xiamen. Winspace just does r&d and give the instructions to the manufacturer. It's funny that those factories produce wheels for like 30 brands and the ladies that make those wheels don't care which wheel they doing, they just get instructions with how carbon layers should be done and that's all.
Actually Yuan an is the company that owns their own factory and do their own r&d and use this in their brand - elite wheels. Of course most of the production is still outsourcing for western brands.
https://youtu.be/tXDAgKx8680?si=ObkeyNzRxUR-O5Ri
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That's a little winspace shill and winspace also does not own the factory but use one of the big one in xiamen. Winspace just does r&d and give the instructions to the manufacturer. It's funny that those factories produce wheels for like 30 brands and the ladies that make those wheels don't care which wheel they doing, they just get instructions with how carbon layers should be done and that's all.
Actually Yuan an is the company that owns their own factory and do their own r&d and use this in their brand - elite wheels. Of course most of the production is still outsourcing for western brands.
https://youtu.be/tXDAgKx8680?si=ObkeyNzRxUR-O5Ri
Yeah I have seen that video. It’s great. It’s just like the bikes 3 or 4 majors producing everyone’s bikes.
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So I looked at Wheelsfar. Do you know what Hubs No.6 are using? With some coupons you can get the price down to be very close to the Wheelsfar wheels but you get warrenty, crash replacement and pretty sick looking decals.
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So I looked at Wheelsfar. Do you know what Hubs No.6 are using? With some coupons you can get the price down to be very close to the Wheelsfar wheels but you get warrenty, crash replacement and pretty sick looking decals.
Pretty sure it's the rd270 hub
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I saw https://youtu.be/dfQGr7QYskA
Norcal does say paid promotion...
Out of curiosity, I asked Peter from Xiamen Carbon speed for a similar setup to see if these wheels were magical or not. I wont share prices because i've already ordered quite a bit from him so i get special pricing; he can do full T800, 50mm 50mm (D50CU-33), 33/34mm wide (depends where you look on the rim), at 1310g w ceramic bearings, or 1320g w steel bearings (there's a material price difference between ceramic and steel, and i wouldn't buy ceramic myself because i'm yet to see any evidence it saves you even 1W, but i do know for a fact that bearings are more fragile, and last less).
So, given the n6 wheels are 45&50, we're at 1260vs1310, but the price difference is absolutely massive. I wonder how much Norcal is making from each wheelset he sells.
Idk where the 50g difference is, whether it's rim, hub or spokes. But i know that 80+kg me would save my money and accept the 50g penalty...
Rd270 is a very light hub. Does Peter have 40/50 combo ?
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I saw https://youtu.be/dfQGr7QYskA
Norcal does say paid promotion...
Out of curiosity, I asked Peter from Xiamen Carbon speed for a similar setup to see if these wheels were magical or not. I wont share prices because i've already ordered quite a bit from him so i get special pricing; he can do full T800, 50mm 50mm (D50CU-33), 33/34mm wide (depends where you look on the rim), at 1310g w ceramic bearings, or 1320g w steel bearings (there's a material price difference between ceramic and steel, and i wouldn't buy ceramic myself because i'm yet to see any evidence it saves you even 1W, but i do know for a fact that bearings are more fragile, and last less).
So, given the n6 wheels are 45&50, we're at 1260vs1310, but the price difference is absolutely massive. I wonder how much Norcal is making from each wheelset he sells.
Idk where the 50g difference is, whether it's rim, hub or spokes. But i know that 80+kg me would save my money and accept the 50g penalty...
Can you share your thoughts on the wheels if you have ridden them? I’m not expecting these to be the next best thing to slice bread but wondering what your thoughts are.
Thank you
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What kind of spokes and hubs do xmcarbonspeed have available to get to that weight? No6 (farsports) rims should be about 70g lighter in total in those two setups
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He does. In 33/34mm wide, he's got 35, 40, 50, 65mm depths.
I haven't ridden N6 wheels, nor carbon spoked wheels. I have 8k+ km on wheels from Peter though (55&58mm deep, steel spokes) and I'm super pleased w them. I've used Farsports wheels for many years, and couldn't tell them apart (afaik, T800 is what it is, sapim cx ray ditto, & a hub is a hub). In fact if you're using the same materials and specs, i really dont think anyone could tell wheelsets apart. I've bought 5 sets from Peter and we're all v happy with them.
Can I ask what other wheels Peter makes besides number 6.
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He doesn't make n6 wheels, toxin's been saying n6 gets their rims from farsports. I wrote that he can make a very similar spec for much less money.
Peter does OEM for brands we all know but i've been asked not to say because it's the sort of things brands dont like advertised in the open.
Thanks so much for all the replies although I’m so confused. Who can make a far less spec for less money?
Sorry
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Peter from Xiamen carbon speed can make a spec very similar to N6 wheels (as per my previous post) for much less money.
Also, and obviously, if indeed it's Farsports that makes the rims /wheels for N6, then Farsports can probably make the same spec for less money, but i havent chatted with Windy in a long time because she's been on maternity leave so someone would have to confirm that.
Thank you
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The vast majority of non-bonded carbon spokes come from STREN, including all the western brands that use such carbon spokes (Cadex, Scope, Newmen, Black inc, Hunt and more). Winspace were one of the first to use them in mass production. Farsports make their own that they provide to some other brands. Lightbicycle might be making their own as well, not sure. I've heard conflicting things about CRW. CC Joe made it sound like they're a CRW in-house product but another wheel manufacturer says they also come from stren. Komcas (Superteam) has one design to make 1cm wide spokes that I haven't seen anywhere else. These spokes all require special hub and nipple interfaces due to the way the carbon fibres are locked with the metal parts. They are all much stronger than steel spokes and very impact resistant.
There is another type, which tries to emulate regular steel spoke interfaces by bonding the metal parts with the carbon in order to be able to use regular nipples and hubs. This type of design was implemented very poorly by Lightbicycle early on and their were spokes notoriously failure prone. Some customers recieved their wheels with almost all the spokes debonded from their intefaces out of the box. There is an improved version of this type of design that mitigates this by introducing barbs and some other stuff inside the metal bits to better retain the carbon. I haven't heard of failures with these but it is a fundamentally inferior design at the end of the day. I have absolutely no idea who makes them but they're available through Nextie, Aliexpress, EIE, Deerobust and others. They offer no advantage beyond compatibility with traditional hubs and I wouldn't use them over good steel spokes, tiny weight saving be damned.
No6 wheels are Farsports through and through, I could email Farsports right now and I could have my order in production by tommorrow with the exact same parts as No6 for a little more than half the price. They are not the only marketing brand doing this. I saw another yesterday and I thing there are at least another two I don't remember and probably several more I haven't heard of.
I was also asking because I don't see carbon spokes available on xmcarbonspeed website but I have a hard time imagining how they could get to that weight without them.
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The vast majority of non-bonded carbon spokes come from STREN, including all the western brands that use such carbon spokes (Cadex, Scope, Newmen, Black inc, Hunt and more). Winspace were one of the first to use them in mass production. Farsports make their own that they provide to some other brands. Lightbicycle might be making their own as well, not sure. I've heard conflicting things about CRW. CC Joe made it sound like they're a CRW in-house product but another wheel manufacturer says they also come from stren. Komcas (Superteam) has one design to make 1cm wide spokes that I haven't seen anywhere else. These spokes all require special hub and nipple interfaces due to the way the carbon fibres are locked with the metal parts. They are all much stronger than steel spokes and very impact resistant.
There is another type, which tries to emulate regular steel spoke interfaces by bonding the metal parts with the carbon in order to be able to use regular nipples and hubs. This type of design was implemented very poorly by Lightbicycle early on and their were spokes notoriously failure prone. Some customers recieved their wheels with almost all the spokes debonded from their intefaces out of the box. There is an improved version of this type of design that mitigates this by introducing barbs and some other stuff inside the metal bits to better retain the carbon. I haven't heard of failures with these but it is a fundamentally inferior design at the end of the day. I have absolutely no idea who makes them but they're available through Nextie, Aliexpress, EIE, Deerobust and others. They offer no advantage beyond compatibility with traditional hubs and I wouldn't use them over good steel spokes, tiny weight saving be damned.
No6 wheels are Farsports through and through, I could email Farsports right now and I could have my order in production by tommorrow with the exact same parts as No6 for a little more than half the price. They are not the only marketing brand doing this. I saw another yesterday and I thing there are at least another two I don't remember and probably several more I haven't heard of.
I was also asking because I don't see carbon spokes available on xmcarbonspeed website but I have a hard time imagining how they could get to that weight without them.
Thank you for this your knowledge is amazing man. Love reading your posts.
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The spec offered by XMC is 100% with carbon spokes. Basically i saw the norcal video, looked at the n6 link, chatted up Peter to see if he could build something similar and for how much. Carbon spokes is a feature, not just a way to reduce weight, so we picked the rim of the (almost) same depth, (almost) same width, same spokes (ie carbon), same hubs (ie ceramic bearings), resulting in (almost) the same weight.
@serge and @toxin.
If you were building a set of wheels to ride in winter 30-35 mm depth around 1200 granms 21 internal 28 external. Nothing fancy how would you build them. I need a set of winter trainers and can’t figure out where or who to use.
Thank you so much gentlemen
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https://wheelsfar.com/hyper-disc-26mmwide-dt-swiss-240-new-exp-built-tubeless-wheel-set-24h-24h-p0184.html
Or
https://www.carbonbikekits.com/carbon-road-bike/carbon-road-bike-rims-wheels/28mm-width/700c-35x28mm-carbon-tubeless-hooked-hookless-road-bike-rim
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Hey toxin
Thank you unfortunately both options are too expensive for a winter wheel set. Ultegra wheels for me will be cheaper.
Thanks so much anyways. Sent u a pm
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Thanks so much for all the replies although I’m so confused. Who can make a far less spec for less money?
Sorry
Mate no.06 is a brand not a manufacturer like Peter. They outsource production, pay for marketing and give you 2 years warranty and lifetime crash replacement. It all has a price. Those are some basic economics...
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Thank you sir
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Thank you sir
If you want some light wheels 21/28 for Winter just get elitewheels edge from AliExpress during sale or get directly from yuanan. Leon is gone but others cleaned up his mess.
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Again appreciate the help.
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For some reason Wheelsfar has removed the possibility to order with their own hub on the website. Anyone who knows anything about this?
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Reviving an old threads but I’m not sure if no6 is really from farsport
I’ve emailed them to get a quote with the same specs as the 52/58 wheels but told me they don’t have such rims
Does any of you have any info’s about no6 manufacturer ? Or is it a special mold farsport can’t sell beside to no6?
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Reviving an old threads but I’m not sure if no6 is really from farsport
I’ve emailed them to get a quote with the same specs as the 52/58 wheels but told me they don’t have such rims
Does any of you have any info’s about no6 manufacturer ? Or is it a special mold farsport can’t sell beside to no6?
Go ask Zara from ZEN, she will offer you similar specs (or even better) for less than half of the price.