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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Sebastian on January 28, 2025, 05:51:49 AM
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First impression of these wheels. I think these are a winner in terms of bang for your buck.
I bought this wheelset from serenadebikes.net which is the brandname of 7-Tiger Bike Components. These wheels are clearly modelled after the Princeton Carbonworks 4550 Evolution wheels, but obviously a LOT more affordable and a lot less over the top in terms of decals and design.
They're 529 USD with Pillar Wing20 spokes and 569 with Sapim CX-Rays (which are what the original wheels use). Personally, I've built and own wheels with both types of spokes and, I think they're pretty much the same and they're certainly indistinguishable when riding. The Pillars might be a touch less aero, being 0.2mm wider but I believe that's splitting hairs.
The specs
The standout feature obviously is the weight. As you can see, I've measured them to weigh 1190g. Frankly, I think that's absolutely bonkers for a 50mm deep clincher wheelset with steel spokes.
Inner width is a more traditional 21.5mm hooked. Externally, I've measured them to be 29.75mm.
My other wheelset has an internal width of 25mm and personally, I've come to the conclusion that I like a narrower internal rim width more because the tire cross section of a 28mm is rounder and steering and handling feels better. More like I'm used to from a tubular. Also, particularly when climbing out of the saddle, I really didn't like the feeling of a squishy front tire squirming underneath me with a 25mm internal rim. I'm talking the exact same tire pressure. About 60psi in the front for me. I think 21-23mm internal is the sweet spot for 28c-30c tires which is what I ride. It just feels better and more nimble to me.
So are they aero? Obviously I need more riding time to at least assess whether there's a discernible difference in the data on my usual routes. These 28c Tufo tires blow up to 30.5mm on these rims. As you can see though, the rim at least visually appears to basically be exactly as wide as the tire.
The ride
I've been looking for that "zingy" kind of feeling of a superlight wheelset. IME it truly transforms the way that a bike feels and it's just plain fun to ride. My rim brake Chinarello that I use for crits has 60mm deep tubular wheels weighing just 1300g. Combined with cotton tubs that makes for a truly special ride feel. Aero and still crazy responsive when sprinting up sharp inclines. These wheels can recreate that kind of feeling in a truly magical way. I had a super aero wide wheelset on there before that weighs 1450g. But it just felt sluggish every time I needed to sprint up a hill. These just GO. And I don't feel like they lack inertia on the flats. There's no discernible lack of stiffness. The hubs are the now ubiquitous straight pull ratchet centerlock hubs with 36 tooth. They're DT Swiss compatible should you have to source different freehubs.
This is my second wheelset by Serenade / 7-Tiger. I can wholeheartedly recommend them. I think they offer some of the best stuff there is in the 4-700USD price range. You can order via their website. However, I usually communicate per whatsapp with Marya (+86 180 2020 4229)
This is my initial impression. I've only ridden these for a week now and I'll do an update when I've done a few thousand kilometres.
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Forgot to put a link to these wheels:
https://serenadebikes.net/50mm-Wave-Whape-Carbon-Racing-Bike-Wheelset-Ratchet-hub-1200g-p6220620.html
Also, shipping is fast for anyone in Europe because they have a warehouse in Spain.
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Very nice looking wheels, was looking for something similiar for my velobuild. So shipping from spain no additional costs? As a loyal customer can you ask a code for referring your friends on chinertown? :P -10% maybe worth trying ;-)
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Very nice looking wheels, was looking for something similiar for my velobuild. So shipping from spain no additional costs? As a loyal customer can you ask a code for referring your friends on chinertown? :P -10% maybe worth trying ;-)
Well, I can certainly try :) They have some sort of first purchase discount anyway if you sign up for their newsletter, IIRC.
It's Chinese New Year, though, so I wouldn't count on a quick reply.
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Well, I can certainly try :) They have some sort of first purchase discount anyway if you sign up for their newsletter, IIRC.
It's Chinese New Year, though, so I wouldn't count on a quick reply.
Did you have to pay import duties/customs? What country was it shipped to?
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Did you have to pay import duties/customs? What country was it shipped to?
Shipping to Germany. 30USD. No customs obviously bc it's both within the EU.
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Btw, are they magicians, or are they cutting corners? Do we know from where they saved the weight, and is it safe / as reliable as a wheelset 100g heavier? I think light carbon (i think it's them?) makes a version of their wheels for super light people, for example, and i wouldnt ride them, because i'm not exactly light... Were corners cut there?
Well, the originals are 1220g so not exactly a huge amount heavier. And there's no specified weight limit to my knowledge.
I think there's two things going on:
A) The hubs are VERY light at 248g for the set. They do spin very smoothly but it obviously means the bearings are probably smaller in diameter. That's a common way of saving weight. If the bearings are opf sufficient quality, that's fine. The jury is still out in terms of durability of course. That's why I'll post a long term update.
B) There's weight savings in the rim profile. Obviously with these being wavy rims, there's less material used than with a standard 50mm rim. AND they're simply narrower. Would they be 32mm wide or even wider, you'd probably be looking at a 1300-1350g wheelset which can be considered quite common now, right?
Edit: Rider weight limit is 100kg as per the product page of these wheels. (See link above)
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Those are some crazy specs. I would prefer just a hair more external width. I think you are onto something with narrower IW and feel though. I have 28s on 24IW wheels and lateral stability feels a little off. I'm not crazy about it. I preferred 28s on IIRC 19-21 IW wheels (whatever cheapo Elite Drive wheels are)
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Would you recon if they could work on some terrain or they are road only? This 100kg limit tells me don't but.....
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Would you recon if they could work on some terrain or they are road only? This 100kg limit tells me don't but.....
I think these are intended to be road wheels and not much else. I mean sure you could obviously still ride them on gravel but I‘d suggest there’s options better suited to that.
Serenade offer a 25internal/30external/30deep gravel wheelset that’s like 1180g for around the same money or even less if you want something seriously light. Others out there have similar options, I believe.
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I think this is a wheelset from Serenade that was recommended in another thread here in Chinertown related to gravel
https://serenadebikes.net/1320gr-40mm-carbon-gravel-bike-wheelset-hookless-paintless-rims-disc-brake-ratchet-wheels-p4485391.html (https://serenadebikes.net/1320gr-40mm-carbon-gravel-bike-wheelset-hookless-paintless-rims-disc-brake-ratchet-wheels-p4485391.html)
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I've been looking for that "zingy" kind of feeling of a superlight wheelset. IME it truly transforms the way that a bike feels and it's just plain fun to ride.
Kind of surprising considering the tires mounted in the photos. I have literally worn out hundreds of tubulars over the years and never met a Tufo I liked. To be fair I have never tried this version, are they built like the older versions (latex bonded to casing) ?
What I did like about Tufo tires is that if you had a flat, some tubeless sealant could be used to get you going again. Unfortunately I found they were only suitable for training.
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Kind of surprising considering the tires mounted in the photos. I have literally worn out hundreds of tubulars over the years and never met a Tufo I liked. To be fair I have never tried this version, are they built like the older versions (latex bonded to casing) ?
What I did like about Tufo tires is that if you had a flat, some tubeless sealant could be used to get you going again. Unfortunately I found they were only suitable for training.
The recent Tufo tubeless tyres are much, much better than old Tufos - forget about those. The Comtura Aero, Comtura Duo and Endurance 7TR all test well in indepedent testing from bicyclerollingresistance.com. The gravel tyres (Thundero) are excellent too. Tufo has taken a massive step with their recent releases.
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+1 Tufo are now a force to be reckoned with. These Comtura Aero clinchers are Tube type tires which are very similar in construction to the old Conti GP4000.
I ride the Hi-Composite tubular in 28mm on my rim brake tub wheelset and it’s much better than the old Tufo tubs. + being basically a tubeless tubular, you can use sealant very reliably and even plug them with Dynaplugs to get you home. No need to replace a punctured tub on the road.
The Tufo Thundero is hands down the best gravel tire I’ve ever ridden and it’s what brought me back to Tufo in the first place. I had ditched them and forgotten about them much like you because of the awful reputation their tubs had in the past.
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I think these are intended to be road wheels and not much else. I mean sure you could obviously still ride them on gravel but I‘d suggest there’s options better suited to that.
Serenade offer a 25internal/30external/30deep gravel wheelset that’s like 1180g for around the same money or even less if you want something seriously light. Others out there have similar options, I believe.
Yeah but ngl those are visually pleasing
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Any thoughts on the performance of these wheels in cross winds?
I'm interested in getting a pair of either these Serenades, or another set of wavy/undulated wheels from xmcarbonspeed, LightCarbon, Farsports, or Yuanan. However, I'm skeptical that there's been any real testing to prove they improve performance in cross winds. The aesthetics do not match my bike very well, so if there is not a performance benefit, I'll probably just purchase a more traditional 50mm rim.
From what I can see, the Light Bicycle Falcon Pro and Elite Wheels Drive Helix seem closest to the Zipp and Princeton designs, but they're out of my price range.
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So, Marya sent me a discount code: WPOSJ62ZNPQ6
It should give you 10% discount. Line I said, if you sign up as a new customer you should get that anyway.
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With the discount code, unique wavy look and decent weight, these aren't a bad deal! Plus I only ride 25c tires since I just don't like 28c, so 21mm IW isn't a big deal to me.
Maybe I'll pick these up later in the year! ;D
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and yet another brand i need to check out... im planning a new build right now and yea sick seeing all these new to me options!
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Any thoughts on the performance of these wheels in cross winds?
Too early to tell really. I‘ve only done a few hours on these. The front wheel might have felt less susceptible to gusts. But i need more riding time to really be able to tell.
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Are the stickers/Decals removeable or did you somehow order them without?
I've been eyeing buying from them, but I'm wanting something with no logos.
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They‘re removable.
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They‘re removable.
Please forgive the derail - as you can see, I'm new here - but is that a genuine Dogma or a replica? If the latter, I would very, very much like to know where you got it. :)
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So, Marya sent me a discount code: WPOSJ62ZNPQ6
It should give you 10% discount. Line I said, if you sign up as a new customer you should get that anyway.
Hah nice, I was talking to her earlier she told me to wait with ordering. Sebastian will get a discount code. They do deliver, that's good. Ordered a pair, i'll be a test person to :)
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That looks like the same mold as all of the superteam base wheels. Albeit a good price. Wing 20.soomes are great. I've used them in on multiple gravel and MTB wheels.
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Please forgive the derail - as you can see, I'm new here - but is that a genuine Dogma or a replica? If the latter, I would very, very much like to know where you got it. :)
I was gonna write a review in the VB 218 thread. I got the 218 in the rim brake version. I liked the geometry, fit and handling so much that I wanted a disc version, too. The 218 is not available anymore. So I went with this one from the QILEFU Store on aliexpress after much back and forth.
Not only is this cheaper than the 218, but it is also lighter and cleaner/better finished in many places, for instance headset and headset cover fit, BB threads, no sharp edges anywhere. Very happy with it. But i‘ve only done around 700km on it, much of that indoor bc of the weather here. So too early for a final verdict.
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Sebastian…..did you figure out who produced that 218 frame you bought off Ali? All of their frames look very very clean!
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Thank you, Sebastian. I know where my frame is coming from, now. :)
Suppose I'll have to wait until after the New Year to contact them about geometry, BB spec and the like.
Edit: Wait, I found all that.
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Sebastian…..did you figure out who produced that 218 frame you bought off Ali? All of their frames look very very clean!
No idea really. But there is enough of a difference in the supplied hardware and details to assume that it’s a different manufacturer from Velobuild. The headset bearings on this one are 8mm tall instead of 7mm on the VB, for instance. Which is great because I could swap in a Japanese stainless steel bearing from Tange in the bottom to prevent rust and corosion issues.
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Very interesting, thanks OP. I wonder how the Serenade frames are.
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How long did it take after ordering before delivery btw?
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How long did it take after ordering before delivery btw?
Around 10 days, I think it was.
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Around 10 days, I think it was.
Well, thanks to you, and to me casually researching wheels for my build, I just ordered a frame. :D
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Communication with Serenabikes is very tedious, slow and exhausting.
It's hard to get binding information.
I've been trying in vain to fix an order for more than 10 days and I'm starting to lose patience.
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Communication with Serenabikes is very tedious, slow and exhausting.
It's hard to get binding information.
I've been trying in vain to fix an order for more than 10 days and I'm starting to lose patience.
It's a disaster lol, still have no clue where my wheels are at this moment. After two weeks the answer was "Next monday will leave to China"
Pfff, if it takes time I understand that but they should atleast give serious updates. Like 'Our stock in Spain was empty, these will be shipped from China with(insert shipping company) and will arrive at +- (insert date). But no ..
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Write yesteday for a set, still no answer on whatsapp.
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It's a disaster lol, still have no clue where my wheels are at this moment. After two weeks the answer was "Next monday will leave to China"
Pfff, if it takes time I understand that but they should atleast give serious updates. Like 'Our stock in Spain was empty, these will be shipped from China with(insert shipping company) and will arrive at +- (insert date). But no ..
Marya from serenadebikes told me, that in Spain is no stock and only wheel repair.
@ wandulus
@ Avalius
Who is your contact person?
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Quick communication isn't exactly their forte, sometimes at least. There's three Whatsapp numbers for three different sales agents on their website. I have dealt with Marya exclusively so far, however. I was told that there's a warehouse in Spain and wheels can be shipped directly from there, if they're in stock. They established it there because they have a big customer base among MTB riders in Spain apparently.
They've been nothing but reliable in my case. My first wheelset from them came from China which took the usual two to three weeks via DPD.
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Marya from serenadebikes told me, that in Spain is no stock and only wheel repair.
@ wandulus
@ Avalius
Who is your contact person?
I wrote via Whatsapp to Marya.
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I was about to pull the trigger on the wavy set but a couple of people on the below forum have experienced structural issues with the rim including the wavy design which is enough to put me off this brand. YMMV.
PS it's a Spanish forum so use google translate - the last 3-4 pages is where the issues pop up.
https://www.foromtb.com/threads/censo-ruedas-chinas.1184418/page-973
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My set of 55deep/25internal wheelset has seen a lot of abuse and is holding up fine. That one is 1450g however. The wavy wheels have not seen too much road use and I will report back.
The squeeze test is not really indicative of build quality. Wall thickness will obviously be thin on a lightweight rim just like with frames. Long term durability is an unknown with these. So let’s see. Maybe I give them a run on cobbles to see if they can take it. That’s usually a good indicator for durability.
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I wrote via Whatsapp to Marya.
Same here
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Any thoughts on the performance of these wheels in cross winds?
I'm interested in getting a pair of either these Serenades, or another set of wavy/undulated wheels from xmcarbonspeed, LightCarbon, Farsports, or Yuanan. However, I'm skeptical that there's been any real testing to prove they improve performance in cross winds. The aesthetics do not match my bike very well, so if there is not a performance benefit, I'll probably just purchase a more traditional 50mm rim.
From what I can see, the Light Bicycle Falcon Pro and Elite Wheels Drive Helix seem closest to the Zipp and Princeton designs, but they're out of my price range.
Sorry for late response.
I got pair of wave wheels (Nextie 45-50) from about 8 months and 4K Km. They perform really well. I live in a really step zone, so a lot of climbs and fast descends. Only one freaky moment, on a fast descend (about 80 Kmh) with about 30 Kmh crosswind. Nothing to scare about, but to be aware of it. I'm used to 80mm profiles on TT Bikes, and this wheels are night and day compared to that.
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Arrived today, they look good. Will test :-)
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I have now accumulated around 1300km on these wheels. But about 50% of that was indoors, however, when there was snow and/or bad weather outside.
But I've done around 500k outdoors in just these past three weeks alone on various terrain and in various conditions: Flat terrain, very hilly terrain, zero wind as well as a very windy ride with particularly strong gusts. Here are my key takeaways so far:
The weight: This is the strong point of these wheels, obviously. Being so light, they feel amazing uphill. Even on slight inclines when powering over small crests I feel it is very noticeable that there is very little resistance to accelerations and the bike just feels extremely light footed in general.
The stiffness: The wheels' strong point is also their weak point. Obviously, if you built a rim like this with carbon spokes, it would make for a much stiffer wheel. Sapim CX Ray-spokes aren't the stiffest to begin with. Pair this with a - probably - less stiff rim and you do feel that there is some give. They don't feel inefficient. They're definitely stiff enough for climbing out of the saddle and the occasional sprint. But if you want something with minimal flex under high power-efforts like sprinting, you might want to look elsewhere. To me, these strike a very good balance between comfort and stiffness.
Durability: I'm not a light rider. My weight varies between 80 and 85kg. My FTP is usually somewhere between 300W and 350W depending on the time of the season and my training. I am not an explosive rider, more of a time trial kind of guy. I was wary of the weight limit with these and found myself nursing them down descents on bad roads at first. But I think it was all in my head. After a while you kind of just forget about it. Some of the roads in my area are really pretty broken, super bumpy, open cracks and giant potholes on descents that you have to negotiate. There's also the occasional stretches of cobbles. I've done it all on these wheels and there is no sign of them running out of true. I'm pretty confident (SO FAR) that they hold up fine.
Riding dynamics and cross wind stability: To me, these are perfect allrounders and I particularly love the way these ride in hilly terrain with short steep ramps. Being a heavier rider, these really help me power over short pinches and keep my average speed high on hillier rides. The lack of inertia makes these just go uphill effortlessly. But it is also what makes it feel slightly less satisfying on the flat. It might just be in my head because the numbers do not really show them to be much slower on the flat than my 55deep wheels. But it's just the way they feel. I definitely agree that they feel more stable in cross winds. I'm a heavier rider so I don't really have much trouble with winds to begin with. But these feel particularly unaffected by cross winds. I did a ride with super strong gusts and apart from one time where the front wheel on a very fast descent got slightly upset by a wind gust, they felt literally completely unaffected. I got 60mm deep wheels on my rim brake bike which feel much worse in those kind of conditions. However, the very light weight and lack of inertia in my experience makes them feel more nervous on descents through corners and over bumps. Less weight just means less gyroscopic force, if that makes sense? So at high speeds through corners, these wheels react more nervously against steering impulses and are easier upset through bumps in the road. You do get used to it but it's noticeable.
Conclusion: These are great allrounders which make for a worry free wheelset to be ridden on all kinds of terrain and in all conditions (on the road, that is). They seem very well made for the money. I'd only really advise against these if all you ever do is riding on flat terrain. That's where these just feel less exciting to ride.
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Mine arrived on 02.04.2025, ordered on 12.03.2025. Communication via WhatsApp was very good, also regarding technical questions (for instance, I wanted to know if and which third-party freehubs are compatible, DT Swiss are, which now I can confirm ;)...). Weight is 1226 g (with SRAM freehub), which is a bit disappointing, as I was also hoping for a sub 1200 g wheelset. At the moment they are set up with GP5000s and ridenow tubes. Mountain tires, rotors, freehub, etc. went smoothly.
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Mine arrived on 02.04.2025, ordered on 12.03.2025. Communication via WhatsApp was very good, also regarding technical questions (for instance, I wanted to know if and which third-party freehubs are compatible, DT Swiss are, which now I can confirm ;)...). Weight is 1226 g (with SRAM freehub), which is a bit disappointing, as I was also hoping for a sub 1200 g wheelset. At the moment they are set up with GP5000s and ridenow tubes. Mountain tires, rotors, freehub, etc. went smoothly.
Freehub compatible DT Swiss,
The weight under 1200 g, Since it was a little on the soft side, we ultimately chose a weight that would work for most people, Our primary focus is to eliminate potential misunderstandings and provide reliable wheel performance. For those particularly concerned about weight, customized solutions are available upon request.
In addition to reducing the weight of the rim, the weight of the spokes is equally important.
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1700k now. Lots of outdoor riding on steep pinches out of the saddle. I found them stiff enough. I also really like the hubs. They feel super smooth.
The only criticism I have: The spoke tension wasn’t as uniform throughout the wheel as I would have liked. Maybe I’m picky being a wheelbuilder myself. But I corrected that and retrued the rear wheel to evenly distribute spoke tension as much as possible.
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Arrived today, they look good. Will test :-)
Any updates on how they're performing? I'm interested in getting a set for my road bike and will provide feedback for the MTB set I ordered in the MTB forum once they arrive.
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Any updates on how they're performing? I'm interested in getting a set for my road bike and will provide feedback for the MTB set I ordered in the MTB forum once they arrive.
Friend is using these on his bike for gravel competitions. He says they are the best wheels he had.
Spoke tension was perfect on mine. My friend finished top 30 is most big gravel fondos for what it's worth. So he's really bombing them offroad.
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I was about to write a review on these. I’m hugely impressed. I’ve ridden them on lots of different types of terrain. I’ve also raced on them. I’ve ridden these for roughly 2-2.500km now. For a wheelset that light I‘m very impressed with how much of a beating they’ve taken without any issues. I’m not light. Around 85kg currently. I’m particularly impressed by the hubs. Serenade confirmed to me that they’ve switched to TPI bearings from Taiwan which allegedly also DT Swiss use in their hubs. True or not, but these are some of the smoothest spinning hubs I’ve ever had.
These are the best allrounders I’ve ever had. They can do pretty much everything on a very high level. And I love how nimble and agile they feel on steep ramps. Only for purely flat riding I feel that some even deeper wheels are a bit more satisfying in how they feel and also marginally faster.
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thanks for the review, might consider them as well.
Nice looking bike, which frame do you have?
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I was about to write a review on these. I’m hugely impressed. I’ve ridden them on lots of different types of terrain. I’ve also raced on them. I’ve ridden these for roughly 2-2.500km now. For a wheelset that light I‘m very impressed with how much of a beating they’ve taken without any issues. I’m not light. Around 85kg currently. I’m particularly impressed by the hubs. Serenade confirmed to me that they’ve switched to TPI bearings from Taiwan which allegedly also DT Swiss use in their hubs. True or not, but these are some of the smoothest spinning hubs I’ve ever had.
These are the best allrounders I’ve ever had. They can do pretty much everything on a very high level. And I love how nimble and agile they feel on steep ramps. Only for purely flat riding I feel that some even deeper wheels are a bit more satisfying in how they feel and also marginally faster.
Which frame is that you built up? Very nice.
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thanks for the review, might consider them as well.
Nice looking bike, which frame do you have?
It’s a Chinarello Dogma F in size 57.5 from QILEFU Store on Aliexpress.
Nothing special really. Cheap. Nice paintjob. Not particularly light (like me). But I love the geometry. I’ve had no issues with the bike apart from some trouble with a slipping seatpost. I think the fact that it’s painted and has no anti slip kind of surface adds to the problem. Grip tape and assembly paste helped.
The bike including pedals and all accessories weighs just under 7.7kg. Light enough for a guy like me.
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For those of you who have ordered from Serenade: how long did it take between payment and shipment? I purchased my set on June 3rd and was told rims would take 2-3 days to arrive with the wheels being built and shipped soon after. I am having them made with nonstandard Koozer 450 hubs (for high engagement) but these were confirmed to be received on the 12th. I'd be fine if they gave me an estimate for when the wheels will be built, but I keep getting told, "I will update you when I have more information" despite asking for any kind of estimate.
This is the first time I've ordered something directly from a Chinese company rather than via Ali or eBay and I suppose I'm getting anxious. Any of your experiences are appreciated. :)
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This seller is notoriously bad at communicating. Don’t worry. You’ll get your wheels. I waited roughly four weeks for wheels that needed to be built and shipped from China to Germany. I ordered on April 29 and they got here on May 26. But I only ever received updated when I kept asking for it. I’ve told them many times that they need to do better.
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I was about to write a review on these. I’m hugely impressed. I’ve ridden them on lots of different types of terrain. I’ve also raced on them. I’ve ridden these for roughly 2-2.500km now. For a wheelset that light I‘m very impressed with how much of a beating they’ve taken without any issues. I’m not light. Around 85kg currently. I’m particularly impressed by the hubs. Serenade confirmed to me that they’ve switched to TPI bearings from Taiwan which allegedly also DT Swiss use in their hubs. True or not, but these are some of the smoothest spinning hubs I’ve ever had.
These are the best allrounders I’ve ever had. They can do pretty much everything on a very high level. And I love how nimble and agile they feel on steep ramps. Only for purely flat riding I feel that some even deeper wheels are a bit more satisfying in how they feel and also marginally faster.
which spokes did you get with the wheels? Sorry I think I may have missed it if you had written it before.
Any weight differene between the Pillar Wing20 and Sapim CX-Rays spokes?
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This seller is notoriously bad at communicating. Don’t worry. You’ll get your wheels. I waited roughly four weeks for wheels that needed to be built and shipped from China to Germany. I ordered on April 29 and they got here on May 26. But I only ever received updated when I kept asking for it. I’ve told them many times that they need to do better.
Yes, I have learned that. Towards the beginning I was told rims would take 2-3 days for them to receive and then the wheel would be built and ship soon. That's what I expected when I placed the order. After asking directly what was taking so long with the rims I was finally told today that the AM weight were out of stock and need to be made... but with no timeline for how long that will take. It feels like they are worried providing more details for why things are taking longer will make me worry when the opposite is true. I'll just have to be patient as you say. :)
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which spokes did you get with the wheels? Sorry I think I may have missed it if you had written it before.
Any weight differene between the Pillar Wing20 and Sapim CX-Rays spokes?
CX-Rays. But I have several wheelsets with Wing20s. No difference, really. You could argue that in theory the Wing20s could be marginally stiffer while the CX-Rays could be marginally more aero purely judging from their minimally different cross sections. But I sure can’t feel it.
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It feels like they are worried providing more details for why things are taking longer will make me worry when the opposite is true. I'll just have to be patient as you say. :)
Yes. That seems to be a common practice that I’ve also experienced with other sellers that I find super annoying. I just ordered a replacement seatpost for my Chinarello from Velobuild. They assured me they had it in a 3K finish. After I ordered they went silent. When I asked they told me the finish wasn’t available and the only thing I could get was matte black. Similar things happened also with others.
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Well, patience finally paid off and I received pictures of my finished wheels. I'll post a review of them in the MTB section once they arrive. Just wanted to provide an update here since it's the main Serenade thread. :)
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New wheelset in.
Specs:
- 23internal/34external/60deep
- Sapim CX Ray spokes and nipples
- Hubs: SR248 - the weight is in the name, they're 248grams per set with 36tooth ratchet freehub and TPI bearings from Taiwan (same hubs as on the wavy wheels)
- total weight: 1418g
Price: 539 USD + 30 USD shipping / With the coupon code I actually paid 515 USD delivered to my door
I was looking for a modern aero wheelset for predominantly flat riding including some hills. Most of the routes available for daily training in my area are like that. I got the superlight wavy wheels because climbing and descending is what I like most. But for my everyday training rides, some wide aero wheels fit the use case better.
These are a perfect fit for 32mm wide tires. I got a set of Tufos on there which are 28c but are probably still designed for narrower rims. They come up to almost 32mm. I measured the rims close to 34mm at around the widest point but my vernier calipers are not long enough.
I've done somewhere between 1000-1500km on this set now. I can obviously only report what I felt and what my Wahoo showed me. These are the fastest wheels I ever had for flat courses. I'm recording the highest average speeds ever and they feel super satisfying to ride.
Comfort is supreme because of the wider tires and internal width. They feel absolutely rock solid. I'd do cobbled rides on these with no hesitation. I've also ridden them on light gravel.
I'm a heavier rider so crosswinds do not concern me much. But it does get windy where I live. Very windy in fact. You do feel that these are 60 deep. But they feel much easier to handle than the narrower and more classic V-shaped 60s on my rim brake bike.
I've raved about these hubs before. This is the second wheelset with them and they're so nice. Just to give you an idea: I spun the front wheel in the stand the other day and it kept on spinning for +5 minutes. I know this is not particularly scientific. But the only hub that comes close to this is an old Roval hub that I put SKF bearings in. I got that in my rim brake wheelset which up to now I thought was the best rolling hub I got. But these are just as good.
If you're looking for some deep Enve-esque wheels for a bargain price, you're not going to be disappointed.
They're also still reasonably light for climbing. I probably wouldn't ride these if I was going to a super mountainous area. They'd still be fine but other wheels would be more fun. But for flat and rolling courses or crits, they're awesome!
The decals are removable as always.
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Hi Sebastian,
I've been chatting closely with Serenade about a set of wheels, they look great but I'm nervous about their QC process and the quality of their layups etc.
Essentially I don't want to end up in hospital so it's a bit of a leap of faith.
Did you (or anyone else in this thread for that matter) get much insight into their QC process when you ordered?
Thanks,
Sam
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Hi Sebastian,
I've been chatting closely with Serenade about a set of wheels, they look great but I'm nervous about their QC process and the quality of their layups etc.
Essentially I don't want to end up in hospital so it's a bit of a leap of faith.
Did you (or anyone else in this thread for that matter) get much insight into their QC process when you ordered?
Thanks,
Sam
Serenade are a seller, not a manufacturer. They claim that they're investing in molds and do QC oversight. But as with many other sellers, it comes down to faith and trust, IMO. You can obviously ask them, but it comes down to whether or not you believe what they're telling you.
I took faith from the fact that their wheels are popular in the Spanish MTB scene and seem to hold up fine. So popular in fact that they opened a warehouse in Spain.
I got three of their wheelsets now. One for gravel, two for road. I've abused all of them pretty extensively over 10k km. But that's anecdotal.
I have never had to deal with warranty issues with their wheels so I can't really tell you how reliable they're handling issues, should they come up.
I think where they excel is value for money. Where they lack is communication. But I've found them to be trustworthy.
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Regarding quality I have talked with Serenade about this a bit. They claim the rims I am having built up are tested to pass a 100J impact test and sent these pictures. However, as Sebastian said they don't have any actual evidence of any testing so it is a trust factor.
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I mean they look great, I was looking at Hunts too as a more “western” pick, they’re easily available in the UK but they’re also reported to have poor QC and failures so it’s a lottery I guess.
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I mean they look great, I was looking at Hunts too as a more “western” pick, they’re easily available in the UK but they’re also reported to have poor QC and failures so it’s a lottery I guess.
I think the risk with wheels is fairly low at this point. I cant really recall any serious wheel issues with anyone here on the forum. There’s hub quality issues here and there. I’ve found quality to be reliable with pretty much every Chinese seller I used. Years ago when complete wheels from China weren’t a thing yet, I would get badly drilled spoke holes every now and then. The cheapest rims I usually avoid. But those are usually also the heaviest.
Build quality and uniform spoke tension is a good indicator for QC I think. That is something you can easily check yourself. And I wouldn’t necessarily use wheels at the absolute edge of the given weight limit.
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To add one anecdotal experience here: I hit a massive pothole with my wavy wheels in a decent at roughly 60 kph (it was getting dark). The front wheel suffered a light wheel wobble, but nothing cracked or broke or similar... This would have happened to any other wheel I guess. In my experience, these wheels are just as good/solid as any other wheels I'v ridden previously.
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Ordered a set of their wavy rims, paid $574/£430-ish shipped.
Looking forward to them turning up!
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Thank you for your valuable suggestions. We have increased our customer service staff so they are always available to answer questions.
We have a large inventory of road wheels with internal widths ranging from 21mm to 25mm, and mountain wheels with 30mm internal width XC level.
The strength of the wheel is our first choice, not weight.
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New wheelset in.
Specs:
- 23internal/34external/60deep
- Sapim CX Ray spokes and nipples
- Hubs: SR248 - the weight is in the name, they're 248grams per set with 36tooth ratchet freehub and TPI bearings from Taiwan (same hubs as on the wavy wheels)
- total weight: 1418g
Price: 539 USD + 30 USD shipping / With the coupon code I actually paid 515 USD delivered to my door
I was looking for a modern aero wheelset for predominantly flat riding including some hills. Most of the routes available for daily training in my area are like that. I got the superlight wavy wheels because climbing and descending is what I like most. But for my everyday training rides, some wide aero wheels fit the use case better.
These are a perfect fit for 32mm wide tires. I got a set of Tufos on there which are 28c but are probably still designed for narrower rims. They come up to almost 32mm. I measured the rims close to 34mm at around the widest point but my vernier calipers are not long enough.
I've done somewhere between 1000-1500km on this set now. I can obviously only report what I felt and what my Wahoo showed me. These are the fastest wheels I ever had for flat courses. I'm recording the highest average speeds ever and they feel super satisfying to ride.
Comfort is supreme because of the wider tires and internal width. They feel absolutely rock solid. I'd do cobbled rides on these with no hesitation. I've also ridden them on light gravel.
I'm a heavier rider so crosswinds do not concern me much. But it does get windy where I live. Very windy in fact. You do feel that these are 60 deep. But they feel much easier to handle than the narrower and more classic V-shaped 60s on my rim brake bike.
I've raved about these hubs before. This is the second wheelset with them and they're so nice. Just to give you an idea: I spun the front wheel in the stand the other day and it kept on spinning for +5 minutes. I know this is not particularly scientific. But the only hub that comes close to this is an old Roval hub that I put SKF bearings in. I got that in my rim brake wheelset which up to now I thought was the best rolling hub I got. But these are just as good.
If you're looking for some deep Enve-esque wheels for a bargain price, you're not going to be disappointed.
They're also still reasonably light for climbing. I probably wouldn't ride these if I was going to a super mountainous area. They'd still be fine but other wheels would be more fun. But for flat and rolling courses or crits, they're awesome!
The decals are removable as always.
You said you are a heavier rider. What is the rider weight limit on these wheels? I know their limit is normally lower than most.
Thanks for sharing.
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You said you are a heavier rider. What is the rider weight limit on these wheels? I know their limit is normally lower than most.
Thanks for sharing.
110kg rider weight. It’s all there on their site. ;)
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110kg rider weight. It’s all there on their site. ;)
Thanks. I actually found they have some with even higher limits.
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Received my QC pictures today, being 95kg Marya suggested I use the SR268 hub as they can take a bit more weight. The wheels look great though and I’m happy that they’re slightly heavier.
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I received my wheels (MTB but I'm not sure if I should start a new Serenade thread over there) today. They're 54g heavier at 1624g than claimed before shipping but a little extra strength can't hurt. I picked Serenade because I had seen good reviews here and they worked with me to use custom orange Koozer 450 hubs without charging extra. Finish is very clean despite being coating free. Spoke tension is fairly consistent and they are quite true. I will try to get them taped up this week so I can try them out. I'm happy with the hubs so there's a bonus picture of one of them.
These were $575 shipped to the US which feels like a fair price considering the tariff situation and the customization.
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Because these wheels were built with aluminum nipples and after seeing zippyzoom's trouble with nipples breaking on his Easedon wheels with aluminum nipples. I took a closer look at them on my Serenade wheels. I'm a little concerned by what I see. Several spokes protrude out of the nipples by 1mm on each wheel which is fine since I'll run tubeless, but one or two are about 2mm below the slot in the nipple.
I'm worried they're too short and not engaging with the head of the nipple. One of them is in the drive side of the rear wheel and one is on the disc side of the front wheel. I contacted Serenade and they promised the lengths are right and that they even rebuilt one of the wheels to increase the disc side spokes by 2mm. This inconsistency with some too long, some flush with the head, some flush with the slot, and one below the slot is concerning.
What do you guys think?
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+/-1mm should be no problem at all. Depending on nipple length maybe even a bit more. Hard to judge exactly from your photos. But one of them does look short. Are there threads showing where the spoke enters the nipple? That would be a definite no go.
For what it’s worth: I’ve built wheels - particularly when I first started doing it - with fairly short spokes. They’re still running fine and perfectly true. I’ve built exclusively with brass nipples in those days, however.
I got three wheelsets from Serenade now and I must admit that I haven’t really checked the spoke length on any of them. So I can’t tell you if your findings are consistent with my wheels. Unfortunately all my wheels are taped but I might have a look in one of them for you. For what it’s worth: my gravel wheels have not had a single issue on more than 4K km of riding - some of it loaded.
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I would appreciate you taking a look if that isn't too much trouble, but since yours are brass it probably wouldn't be a concern even if they were as short as mine. Part of it may be having these built with hubs Serenade isn't used to working with, which complicates spoke length calculation by a bit.
I took these to a local shop and the mechanics there recommended replacing three of the spokes with slightly longer ones so the nipple heads are supported. The worst two sit 2 to 3mm below the bottom of the slot and are not threaded into the head at all which is what concerned me and the mechanics agreed. I am trying to work with Serenade to get a credit for buying the replacement spokes and I will replace them myself.
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My Serenade wheels use aluminium nipples. The examples I mentioned are wheels I built myself in the past.
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I would appreciate you taking a look if that isn't too much trouble, but since yours are brass it probably wouldn't be a concern even if they were as short as mine. Part of it may be having these built with hubs Serenade isn't used to working with, which complicates spoke length calculation by a bit.
I took these to a local shop and the mechanics there recommended replacing three of the spokes with slightly longer ones so the nipple heads are supported. The worst two sit 2 to 3mm below the bottom of the slot and are not threaded into the head at all which is what concerned me and the mechanics agreed. I am trying to work with Serenade to get a credit for buying the replacement spokes and I will replace them myself.
I appreciate your efforts and we are willing to cooperate with you. We hope that every customer has a better wheel.
When customers raise questions, we will take note of them and make improvements, trying to make them perfect.
We rarely hear users complain about broken nipples. We insist on using the same model and the same material.
Within the 2-year warranty period, if it is a material problem, we will replace it for free. If it exceeds 2 years, we will provide assistance so that everyone can balance.
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Serenade was very helpful and reimbursed me for the cost of 3 spokes. I appreciated their responsiveness and willingness to work with me. Now that the spokes are replaced I'll start testing out the wheels and will report back once I have some time on them.
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That’s how you get returning business and gain new customers, well done serenade!
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I was able to swap out the short spokes, tape the rims up, and go on a ride today. With tires and sealant they are 510g lighter than the stock wheelset. Not as big a difference as I expected, but that's not Serenade's fault as these weigh what they predicted. Very happy with the wheels so far. My stock alloy ones would pop and ping all the time during rides and these were silent. They feel stiffer laterally which gives me confidence in corners although I am learning I have to pick better lines as they do bounce off rocks a bit more. Time will tell how they hold up but so far I am very happy with this wheelset. Serenade's willingness to build them up with my preference of hubs was unique among most of the wheel vendors I contacted and the value for these is incredibly high.
I'll share periodic updates when I have more miles on them and/or if anything happens.
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Thank you for your feedback.
This is just the beginning. We will work hand in hand with you in the next two years.
We will continue to develop new products.
In countries and regions where local services can be provided, we will directly provide after-sales service. If there is no local service, we will do our best to assist.
You provide real money, and we must also provide real products and services.
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Well they’ve arrived and they look absolutely class, no squishy sides either.
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Well they’ve arrived and they look absolutely class, no squishy sides either.
They look lovely. What finish did you choose to get that textured look of the rims?
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Matt Marble!
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@Serenade: Will you offer the TRF4540S as complete wheelset with carbon spokes and some lightweight hubs (e.g. SR310C)? What weight would you expect (standard vs. fly weight)? What rider weight limit would you suggest?
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@Serenade: Will you offer the TRF4540S as complete wheelset with carbon spokes and some lightweight hubs (e.g. SR310C)? What weight would you expect (standard vs. fly weight)? What rider weight limit would you suggest?
Hello Sir,
SR310C is 21 spokes, only 5045 wavy rims for choice, regular rims we can do any holes.
https://serenadebikes.net/Full-Carbon-Spoke-Wheelset-Road-Bike-Carbon-Wheelset-50-Depth-21-Spokes-Clincher-Rims-p6546517.html
If you want 4540 wavy
we have another 24 carbon spokes hub. The weight is more 20 - 30g.
https://serenadebikes.net/Full-carbon-spokes-road-bicycle-wheelset-35-40-45-50mm-clincher-rims-p6295874.html
Carbon spokes wheelset, more stiff more reactive,
Max rider weight 100kg.
Thanks for everyone choosing Serenadebikes wheel.
Best regards
Wendy Lee
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Off the back of feedback in here I've ordered from Marya (super engaging and helpful) a set of their new sr268 hubs with 23 internal, 34 external widths rims and CXRay spokes for my LTK268 currently building. Asked for no decals and drain/pressure holes to be drilled. Marya confirmed this was possible. Estimated weight in 60mm is 1400g, with shipping GBP 450. I'm told these will be built up next week and pictures will be sent to me.
Should this go smoothly, going to order the sub 1200g sr148 hub wavey 45/50 wheels with carbon spokes for my R088 which I've decided to make my dedicated climbing/hillier day bike.
Will post a review of the new sr168 hubs once wheels received and ridden.
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I'm currently riding the 4550s in the Austrian/Bavarian Alps. Partly on pretty bad pavement and even some gravel sections on very small mountain roads. They're awesome wheels for that, giving me no troubles.
The mono bloc Ztto cassette creaks on the biggest cogs in the back, though, and only there. Probably due to slight movement in the cog/spider interface area. I've had the same problem with the older design SROAD cassette as well.
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Hi all,
I’ve been reading through the Serenade Wheels thread and just wanted to see if anyone has any more recent thoughts or feedback on the wheels. I’ve done the usual — had a read through the existing posts — and at the price point, they definitely look like good value.
That said, I’m curious if anyone has more experience with them in real-world conditions — especially in terms of build quality, ride feel, durability, or after-sales support.
Any insights would be appreciated — cheers in advance!
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Well, I’ve accumulated probably around 10k km on three of their wheelsets now. Two road wheels and one wheelset that I had on my road bike first but I’ve been using it for gravel for quite some time now. I feel like I’ve said everything there is to say about Serenade. At the price point, they’re awesome. Durability is awesome. The gravel wheels had dry bearings that needed replacing quickly. The SR248 hubs in my road wheels however are among the smoothest I’ve ever used. I converted the gravel wheels to Campagnolo N3W with an original DT Swiss freehub so the hubs seem compatible. But someone else on the forum needed to bodge a spacer to do the same with the wavy wheels.
Can’t say much about after sales support bc I simply never needed any. But the most recent example of them covering the cost of spokes is at least promising. Not sure whether I’d ask them to build wheels with custom hubs that they have little experience with, though.
Also, in my time dealing with them they’ve always seemed to be willing to listen to customer feedback and improve their products. Their hubs being one example of that.
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Well, I’ve accumulated probably around 10k km on three of their wheelsets now. Two road wheels and one wheelset that I had on my road bike first but I’ve been using it for gravel for quite some time now. I feel like I’ve said everything there is to say about Serenade. At the price point, they’re awesome. Durability is awesome. The gravel wheels had dry bearings that needed replacing quickly. The SR248 hubs in my road wheels however are among the smoothed I’ve ever used. I converted the gravel wheels to Campagnolo N3W with an original DT Swiss freehub so the hubs seem compatible. But someone else on the forum needed to bodge a spacer to do the same with the wavy wheels.
Can’t say much about after sales support bc I simply never needed any. But the most recent example of them covering the cost of spokes is at least promising. Not sure whether I’d ask them to build wheels with custom hubs that they have little experience, though.
Also, in my time dealing with them they’ve always seemed to be willing to listen to customer feedback and improve their products. Their hubs being one example of that.
Hey Sebastian my non AI reply really appreciate you sharing all that—super helpful. Sounds like you’ve put those wheels through a fair bit of riding!
The Campag/DT Swiss compatibility info is gold—nice one. And yeah, sounds like they’re at least trying to listen and improve, which is always good to hear. Agree with you on the custom hub front… probably not worth the risk if it’s something they’re not used to building with.
Thanks again for the honest write-up—proper useful.
I transcribe my replies sometime simply don’t have the time to write endless replies hopefully
This is more to your satisfaction then
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You’re welcome, buddy. By the way: I could do without AI repeating my entire post when you answer. Keep it short and simple. Makes for easier reading in my opinion.
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The bearings in the gravel wheels might have been a one off. I dunno. The front wheel sounded rough pretty quickly so I replaced the bearings with some SKF. When I took out the old ones I realized that they were bone dry. While the bearings in the rear are not 100% smooth anymore, they’re still ok. But I’ll probably replace them soon.
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The bearings in the gravel wheels might have been a one off. I dunno. The front wheel sounded rough pretty quickly so I replaced the bearings with some SKF. When I took out the old ones I realized that they were bone dry. While the bearings in the rear are not 100% smooth anymore, they’re still ok. But I’ll probably replace them soon.
I don’t expect much longevity myself with any bearings supplied with any OEM wheels ceramic or steel like you I will upgrade to a quality steel bearing like NTN or SKF
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True. Which is why it’s a pleasant surprise when they’re actually good. Like in the recent wheels I got from Serenade. A few years ago when Novatec hubs were pretty common in Chinese wheels, I usually had to replace them within the first few months. Replacing bearings in freehubs would sometimes be a PITA due to their construction. Replacement freehubs would sometimes be hard to get. Now with the DT compatible hubs, it’s a non issue.
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Do you recall what brand the bearings are in the Serenade hubs?
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Do you recall what brand the bearings are in the Serenade hubs?
The road hubs I'm praising so much use Taiwanese TPI bearings. The gravel hubs use NBK or S&S bearings. Mine had NBK bearings. My experience with NBK is mixed. Some worked flawlessly, others wore out quickly. This time, I had basically both scenarios in one wheel set. The front wore out, the rear still works fine, albeit a bit rougher than in the beginning.
The TPI bearings in both road wheel sets I got are still super smooth. It's my first time using TPI bearings. I haven't really heard of those before, If I'm honest. Neither have I really heard of S&S.
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Got pictures of my wheels today - exactly how I wanted them :) 50mm/60mm
Will report back once I have my first couple of rides on them. Have to say communication is great with Serenade - quick answers and timelines met!
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I'm looking to get these wheels as a dedicated gravel set next:
https://serenadebikes.net/wider-tire-gravel-bike-carbon-Wheelset-40mm-depth-36mm-wide-clincher-rims-SR042-hub-p6403872.html
It's sort of inspired by the Zipp XPLR 303 wheels. Not quite as extreme at 30internal/36external.
1350g +/- with Pillar1420s/CX-Rays. I'll probably get 1420s this time around as they might be marginally stiffer due to their ever so slightly thicker cross section. Also they're cheaper so win/win.
I'm looking to run 40-45s on them. They're available in hookless and hooked. For gravel, I actually prefer hookless, though.
I'll keep you posted on how these ride once I get them.
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A couple of hours after they landed I had a fall down the stairs and I’ve fractured my foot so I’m out of commission for a while.
A good mate of mine has popped the tyres on for me, running agilest TLRs 32mm, they certainly look the part.
Can’t wait to get out on them, eventually
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Sorry to hear about your injury. I hope it heals quickly and you can get back on the bike soon.
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So how did this wheelset become over twice the price in just one half of a year? Might be time to change that title.
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So how did this wheelset become over twice the price in just one half of a year? Might be time to change that title.
Not sure what you mean? I’m seeing these on the site for the same price as always. Starting with 529 USD. There’s also a 25internal/34external version now and a version with 21 carbon spokes, albeit not that much lighter.
https://serenadebikes.net/50mm-Wave-Whape-Carbon-Racing-Bike-Wheelset-Ratchet-hub-1200g-p6220620.html
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Not sure what you mean? I’m seeing these on the site for the same price as always. Starting with 529 USD. There’s also a 25internal/34external version now and a version with 21 carbon spokes, albeit not that much lighter.
https://serenadebikes.net/50mm-Wave-Whape-Carbon-Racing-Bike-Wheelset-Ratchet-hub-1200g-p6220620.html
Hello GammaDriver,
You may be located in the United States. It's true that shipping fees went up around two months ago. Although our current shipping costs are higher, this allows for quicker delivery and helps you avoid customs delays.
For any after-sales service within a two-year period, including replacing parts, we'll use the same shipping method. This identical service is also provided for customers in the EU and UK.
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Got pictures of my wheels today from Marya.
These are the ones:
https://serenadebikes.net/round-fat-sharp-road-bicycle-wheelset-23mm-internal-disc-brake-sr268-hubs-p6490804.html
As mentioned I got the 60mm deep UD Matte option with CX Ray spokes. Marya has said they weigh 1450g, which is 3.5% more than the claimed 1400g weight. I'm ok with that as these are not for a weight weenie type build and I am by cycling standards a heavier rider.
Hopefully they get posted soon. Will be interesting how long it takes to get to UK and whether the DPD shipping gets a customs charge or not.
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Mine took 6 days to NW UK but even Marya was surprised by that 😂
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Mine took 6 days to NW UK but even Marya was surprised by that 😂
Now that's pretty quick 🤞
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As mentioned I got the 60mm deep UD Matte option with CX Ray spokes.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Like I said in my review earlier in this thread, I love how these feel for flat courses. Also, I personally think that 23internal is a bit of a sweet spot for 28-30c tires, resulting in a round cross section and good handling.
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Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Like I said in my review earlier in this thread, I love how these feel for flat courses. Also, I personally think that 23internal is a bit of a sweet spot for 28-30c tires, resulting in a round cross section and good handling.
I'll be sure to post my thoughts. I am also interested to see how these ride compared to my recently purchased XMCS wheels. I love those wheels so far!
I've got 28mm michellin power cups I'll be putting on these wheels with tpu tubes.
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@serenadebikes:
Is there a possibility of reviving the discount code posted here before? :)
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Marya gave me one over WhatsApp when I was ordering, it was only 5% but it’s better than 0% I suppose
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@serenadebikes:
Is there a possibility of reviving the discount code posted here before? :)
We usually post discount codes on our website, but you can also ask me or my colleagues for them. Based on past experience, shipping costs will continue to rise starting in September, and we will adjust our rates accordingly.
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Is there any video of rear hub sound? I like loud hubs.
I'm very interested of buying one of these wheelset. Is this equal to elitewheels?
What is difference between carbon or steel spokes?
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Is there any video of rear hub sound? I like loud hubs.
I'm very interested of buying one of these wheelset. Is this equal to elitewheels?
What is difference between carbon or steel spokes?
I asked this question and they sent me this:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMQTsk7PQjL/?igsh=MWFyZnZ1amJ0bmtubw==
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It's seems to be quite loud. Thank you.
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Not sure what you mean? I’m seeing these on the site for the same price as always. Starting with 529 USD. There’s also a 25internal/34external version now and a version with 21 carbon spokes, albeit not that much lighter.
https://serenadebikes.net/50mm-Wave-Whape-Carbon-Racing-Bike-Wheelset-Ratchet-hub-1200g-p6220620.html
Yeah, sorry folks - I think I ended up on some other set of wheels that they sell that were more expensive. My fault.
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Did just ordered a pair of TRW60s with the SR248 hub, 23 mm internal, 34 outer. Just paid 559 dollars true bank transfer with shipping to Sweden. Also looked at the 55/60 option they have on offer, which comes in a bit lighter(think the claimed weight was 1350 something). But after some messages back and forth on whatsapp they recommended me the regular 60s with sapim x-rays. First looked at the lightest options with the pillar 1417 but they advised me against that. All of the communication was clear and fast. Looking forward to trying the wheels out when they arrive!
Got an picture of the wheelset on the scale, 1417 grams
Looked at CarbonSpeedCycle first, but then found this thread and eventually ended up with these. The CSC alternative was a bit heavier claimed weigth(1480), smaller internal(21), but a bit less(510isch).
Excited to try them out!
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After praising the SR248 hubs extensively, I have to report a premature bearing failure in the rear hub. I’ve done two weeks of riding in the rain in the Alps and honestly, I dunno if any other hub would have fared much differently. I’ve ridden in enormous downpours almost every time. I’m talking rivers of water crossing the roads. The bike never dried down properly during those two weeks. I needed to take off the bb cover to properly drain the frame of water several times. Almost every single one of the (cheap) steel screws in the frame started corroding.
So, after all that and the bike hanging on the wall for a week, the bearings in the rear hub feel pretty rough. Lots of resistance and vibrations when spinning the wheel in my hand. The odd thing is, that visibly everything looked pretty good when I took it apart. No obvious corrosion. Plenty of grease still everywhere in the freehub and in the hub. But the rear wheel bearings in the hub seem to be worn and/or corroded beyond saving. The freehub seems alright. I’ve ordered replacements and I’ll swap them out for some SKFs.
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Where do you source SKF bearings from?
Thanks
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There is an online shop in Germany, that I get them from. It’s called kugellager-shop.net.
I usually try to get automotive quality bearings. They got plenty of different levels of quality and construction depending on the application. Not every type of bearing can be had from SKF, though.
I got a 6802 bearing from SKF for the NDS. The DS says “TPI SC02TOILBT” on the seals. The equivalent is a proprietary 15267 bearing just like in the DT Swiss hubs. It’s not available from SKF. I got it from Enduro bearings.
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After praising the SR248 hubs extensively, I have to report a premature bearing failure in the rear hub. I’ve done two weeks of riding in the rain in the Alps and honestly, I dunno if any other hub would have fared much differently. I’ve ridden in enormous downpours almost every time. I’m talking rivers of water crossing the roads. The bike never dried down properly during those two weeks. I needed to take off the bb cover to properly drain the frame of water several times. Almost every single one of the (cheap) steel screws in the frame started corroding.
So, after all that and the bike hanging on the wall for a week, the bearings in the rear hub feel pretty rough. Lots of resistance and vibrations when spinning the wheel in my hand. The odd thing is, that visibly everything looked pretty good when I took it apart. No obvious corrosion. Plenty of grease still everywhere in the freehub and in the hub. But the rear wheel bearings in the hub seem to be worn and/or corroded beyond saving. The freehub seems alright. I’ve ordered replacements and I’ll swap them out for some SKFs.
I’ve been messaging serenade bikes via WhatsApp and they suggested their sr315 hubs are more durable. They’re about 50g heavier and seem to have beefier spoke and centrelock interfacing, but are made from 6061 instead of 7050 aluminum. They said that the sr315 is more corrosion resistant, but I think this is probably to do with the bearings rather than the alloy.
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Received my wheelset today.
8 days shipping time to UK, no issues with customs via DPD.
60mm depth, sr268 hubs total weight = 1436g
Pics attached of wheels and weights on my scales.
Cost GBP 452 via PayPal (USD 584 with USD 15 discount applied)
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Packaging - very safely packaged
Delivery - 8 days is pretty quick for consolidated shipping which they appear to use based on shipping labels.
Comms: Spot on, came with no logos on rims and with drain holes installed (on one side of wheel only - I think most of my wheels have two holes, 1 on each side at opposites)
Ride: TBC and will report back
Durability: TBC but as above will report back
Grease has been applied between end caps and bearings which is usually a good sign.
Will mount up my Power Cups before the weekend and put them on a bike for actual use testing.
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Looking good! Surprised of such a fast delivery, then I might have to start scramble the rest of the parts for my complete build 😅 Also realised I forgot to ask for removal of the logos... See how they look when they show up.
Which spokes did you get?
Received my wheelset today.
8 days shipping time to UK, no issues with customs via DPD.
60mm depth, sr268 hubs total weight = 1436g
Pics attached of wheels and weights on my scales.
Cost GBP 452 via PayPal (USD 584 with USD 15 discount applied)
Review -
Packaging - very safely packaged
Delivery - 8 days is pretty quick for consolidated shipping which they appear to use based on shipping labels.
Comms: Spot on, came with no logos on rims and with drain holes installed (on one side of wheel only - I think most of my wheels have two holes, 1 on each side at opposites)
Ride: TBC and will report back
Durability: TBC but as above will report back
Grease has been applied between end caps and bearings which is usually a good sign.
Will mount up my Power Cups before the weekend and put them on a bike for actual use testing.
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Hello.
Anyone know the difference between sr248 and sr268 hubs? Apart from the weight, what would be the advantage and disadvantages of one and another?
https://serenadebikes.net/new-road-carbon-bike-wheelset-hub-SR248-p5749573.html
https://serenadebikes.net/7050-Alu-Road-Bicycle-Hub-Center-Lock-Disc-Brake-SR268-100x12mm-142-x-12mm-p6481939.html
Talking with Marya she said that in the sr268 When the freehub is pulled out, the ratchet is a whole (picture she send me). I don't exactly know if that's good or not and If that means is not compatible with dt Swiss or not. Just trying to understand if the 20g extra would make the sr268 stronger and worth.
Thanks guys
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Looking good! Surprised of such a fast delivery, then I might have to start scramble the rest of the parts for my complete build 😅 Also realised I forgot to ask for removal of the logos... See how they look when they show up.
Which spokes did you get?
I went for Sapim CX rays.
They're quite easily removable as I think they're just stickers. I don't actually mind decals but decided I would go without.
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I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been chatting with Silver, the head guy there I believe - nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths decals are stickers so can be robbed.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP, which is fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very very competitive price point I don’t know anyone doing wheels at this price for these widths and lighter weight weeks say 1200g 50/60 combo as an example.
I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been in touch with Silver, the head guy there — nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP — fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very competitive price point.
I’ve also been speaking with another OEM in Xiamen to see what they can offer. I’m getting a load of prices and specs sorted and will post something once I have them. There’s fierce competition in the wheel market right now — maybe we can even get a $500 USD carbon-spoked wheel with wider inner widths. Who knows!
What’s everyone’s thoughts on wider inner widths? Where’s the sweet spot in your opinion? I was thinking 24/25 mm myself.
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Received my wheelset today.
8 days shipping time to UK, no issues with customs via DPD.
60mm depth, sr268 hubs total weight = 1436g
Pics attached of wheels and weights on my scales.
Cost GBP 452 via PayPal (USD 584 with USD 15 discount applied)
Review -
Packaging - very safely packaged
Delivery - 8 days is pretty quick for consolidated shipping which they appear to use based on shipping labels.
Comms: Spot on, came with no logos on rims and with drain holes installed (on one side of wheel only - I think most of my wheels have two holes, 1 on each side at opposites)
Ride: TBC and will report back
Durability: TBC but as above will report back
Grease has been applied between end caps and bearings which is usually a good sign.
Will mount up my Power Cups before the weekend and put them on a bike for actual use testing.
Wheels mounted on my R088 for now. Wanted to test them asap and not wait whilst I'm building up my other frame. Mounted 28mm Power Cups, came up to 30.14mm at widest point according to my calipers.
Maiden voyage on them this pm.
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Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give some insights into my experience with Serenade. I noticed them due to Sebastians post here in the forum. I was searching for a new wheelset to replace my Novatec R4 wheelset, which I now use for another bike. I liked the style and the specs Serenade offered and contacted them via WhatsApp. Response was super fast and easy. I ordered the following:
TAR5045S, 34mm wide/25 mm hooked - Black hubs SR248 - Marble with glossy finish, - Flyweight version (410g) with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. I ordered on the 16.07 and received the wheelset on 4th of August via DPD. Packaging could be improved, but nothing was damaged. And the finish is superb for the price!
Since it's quite busy right now, I have ridden them just for two short rides (80km). But they seem a lot stiffer, lighter and more agile then the Novatec R4 wheelset. The hub bearings are a lot smoother and they were centered really well. Spoke tension was also quite good overall.
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Bought my wheelset. 50mm depth, 23mm inner and 34mm outer. Wing20 with brass nipples and SR248 hubs. Should be around 1320g. Should get it in less than a month, and then i will update with what I think about the wheels. Talked via Whatsapp with Marya. Easy communication and fast responses.
Now I just wait to receive the wheels hope the wheels will be quick and reliable.
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I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been chatting with Silver, the head guy there I believe - nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths decals are stickers so can be robbed.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP, which is fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very very competitive price point I don’t know anyone doing wheels at this price for these widths and lighter weight weeks say 1200g 50/60 combo as an example.
I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been in touch with Silver, the head guy there — nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP — fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very competitive price point.
I’ve also been speaking with another OEM in Xiamen to see what they can offer. I’m getting a load of prices and specs sorted and will post something once I have them. There’s fierce competition in the wheel market right now — maybe we can even get a $500 USD carbon-spoked wheel with wider inner widths. Who knows!
What’s everyone’s thoughts on wider inner widths? Where’s the sweet spot in your opinion? I was thinking 24/25 mm myself.
Hi Sander2177
Thank you so much.
We have provided internal 24mm hooked, 25mm hooked and hookless rims.
Gravel 30mm internal hooked and hookless.
We have stock of the hot-selling models. Road disc brake UD 24H, XC MTB 28H.
Because the rims require a certain degree of rigidity, we choose not to produce super-light ones, we can do it if client asked.
Over the past 10 years, conservative choices have enabled us to move forward more steadily.
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Hi Sander2177
Thank you so much.
We have provided internal 24mm hooked, 25mm hooked and hookless rims.
Gravel 30mm internal hooked and hookless.
We have stock of the hot-selling models. Road disc brake UD 24H, XC MTB 28H.
Because the rims require a certain degree of rigidity, we choose not to produce super-light ones, we can do it if client asked.
Over the past 10 years, conservative choices have enabled us to move forward more steadily.
What would be the max rider weight limit on the new 24 or 25 internal width of wheels? Likely depends on other parts.
Thanks.
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Can you guys make wheels with berd spoke or local equivalent? For MTB applications
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What are bees spokes? I tried looking them up and couldn't find anything.
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Berd spokes sorry. With Hwork hubs and a good XC rim 1150g should be achievable.
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Berd spokes sorry. With Hwork hubs and a good XC rim 1150g should be achievable.
Hello Ludo,
We don't build with berd spokes.
With Berd spokes should be more lighter.
Sapim cx-ray + M270 + TME9035 (305g) = 1160g ( Choice lighter rims).
The more lighter verion rims is TME9236 (290g), We stocked 330g.
https://serenadebikes.net/Low-profile-29er-carbon-fiber-bike-rim-35mm-wide-20mm-depth-tme9035-p5187398.html
Hubs
https://serenadebikes.net/272g-Supper-light-7050-Alu-MTB-Bicycle-Wheelset-Hub-6-bolts-Disc-Brake-M270-110x15mm-148-x-12mm-p6483001.html
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Do you do rim brake wheels? Looking for as light a set as possible for a hill climb build.
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Hello,
In case I choose rim paintless finish, how is the safety from prolonged UV exposure handled? I'm worried about the structure.The resin epoxy matrix degrades with UV. Is it ok?
Thank you!
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Hello,
In case I choose rim paintless finish, how is the safety from prolonged UV exposure handled? I'm worried about the structure.The resin epoxy matrix degrades with UV. Is it ok?
Thank you!
Hello
The degradation of epoxy resin requires a temperature of 120-160 degrees Celsius, which is difficult to reach with sunlight.
Paintless is just 1 very very thin layer of paint, almost negligible, Some clients called raw carbon fiber
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Berd spokes sorry. With Hwork hubs and a good XC rim 1150g should be achievable.
I have asked couple of OEMs about Berd Spokes appear these are difficult and expensive to obtain apparently.
H-works B306 ROAD DISC HUBS FOR BERD to SPOKES 316.2grams $150-200uad
gravel rims 45mm 395g
100-110kg limit $270usd
29mm Inner Width at bead
35mm outer width at bead
37mm actual rim width
Berd Spokes 2.5g 48No 120g $8USD each $384usd
If and OEM could get Berd Spokes wheels would be about. $824-874usd 1226.2grams
90kg limit rim 1146.2g +20usd
135kg limit ton 1306.2g -70usd
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I understand that Berd spokes are much more time consuming to build with and require multiple stages of tensioning spread over a few days. That's going to add significant cost. Goosynn seem to be the Chinese equivalent but their wheelsets are $2k+ and they don't appear to sell parts.
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Berd replace a wheeler for around 700$ so between labor cost and no initial spike cost, I think oem could get wheels with beed spokes in the 900-1000$
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Berd replace a wheeler for around 700$ so between labor cost and no initial spike cost, I think oem could get wheels with beed spokes in the 900-1000$
Berd spokes $8 each x48 $385
Hub from h works around $156
135kg Standard rim $120 $240
135kg Lightweight rim $135. $270
100-110kg Superlight rim $145. $290
90kg Ultra light rim $155. $310
These prices are for all depths
Rim finishes don’t cost extra
And wheel building is included in cost generally
$781usd to $822usd
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Another key factor that influences the weight of carbon fiber wheels is tire pressure, which is often overlooked.
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I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been chatting with Silver, the head guy there I believe - nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths decals are stickers so can be robbed.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP, which is fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very very competitive price point I don’t know anyone doing wheels at this price for these widths and lighter weight weeks say 1200g 50/60 combo as an example.
I’ve been looking at 7Tiger, the seller behind the own-brand Serenade wheels.
I’ve been in touch with Silver, the head guy there — nice bloke.
Most of their range has fairly narrow inner widths, but I think these new 23 mm inner / 34 mm external rims have only just been released — I had an email today with a link. They’re available in 40, 45, 50, and 60 mm depths.
Prices range from $469 to $539 USD, depending on whether you choose one of the three Pillar spoke options or the Sapim CX-Ray.
That works out to about $599 USD including shipping to the UK, which is roughly £450 GBP — fantastic value.
I also suggested they consider offering a 24/25 mm inner width version with carbon spokes. If they could hit around $650 USD, that would be a very competitive price point.
I’ve also been speaking with another OEM in Xiamen to see what they can offer. I’m getting a load of prices and specs sorted and will post something once I have them. There’s fierce competition in the wheel market right now — maybe we can even get a $500 USD carbon-spoked wheel with wider inner widths. Who knows!
What’s everyone’s thoughts on wider inner widths? Where’s the sweet spot in your opinion? I was thinking 24/25 mm myself.
I might have overlooked these previously but spotted these today:
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
1280g +/- 3% in a 60mm deep (23mm IW, 34 EW) rims, 20h 3.3mm carbon spokes, SR278 hubs. With the 5% coupon code USD 600 dollars / GBP 468 delivered including taxes. I have just ordered these with no decals, and drain holes installed.
Not quite as wide internally as what you're suggesting as the sweet spot, but not far off. I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with my 1450g sr268 hub wheels with 24h CX rays spokes. They are surviving rough Oxfordshire roads on my R088 very well.
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Super happy with my wheelset so far! Did my first ride today and will report back after some more kms :)
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Do they come with a rim tape, if not, do you recommend one for tubeless setup?
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Super happy with my wheelset so far! Did my first ride today and will report back after some more kms :)
Hi
Which model are they?
I you can attach the link, I will appreciate.
BR
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I might have overlooked these previously but spotted these today:
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
1280g +/- 3% in a 60mm deep (23mm IW, 34 EW) rims, 20h 3.3mm carbon spokes, SR278 hubs. With the 5% coupon code USD 600 dollars / GBP 468 delivered including taxes. I have just ordered these with no decals, and drain holes installed.
Not quite as wide internally as what you're suggesting as the sweet spot, but not far off. I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with my 1450g sr268 hub wheels with 24h CX rays spokes. They are surviving rough Oxfordshire roads on my R088 very well.
Can those wheels works for road and gravel bike ? The endurance bike I bought was with 30mm tires and I'm fine with that (might even go with 32 later) but Id like to maybe reuse them later on a second bike
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23mm inner rims, fit 28mm tire but capable of handling gravel tires up to 50mm wide.
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Got the 50mm Wave Whape wheelset and used since approx 11 August. According to Strava covered approx 400 miles in mostly nearly all dry conditions. Wheels have been all good expect that front and rear bearings are completely shot. Rear seized and fronts on the way out.
Maybe a one off on a bad set of bearings but worth checking your bearings. Good news is contacted Serenade and they had no issues posting out a new set.
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Latest shipping time
China to US, after shipped 4~5 days by FedEx, taxes include.
China to European, 5-8 days by UPS, 6-15 days by DPD.
New MTB wheels coming,
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Today I got my 650b Gravelwheelset 30mm deep and 27mm inner and 33mm outer width, they weigh 1240g without rimtape (which was supplied, incl. 2 sparespokes and 2 tubeless valves). I'm no expert and haven't been able to test them as I'm still waiting for my tires to arrive (thunder burts 2.1) but so far they look good. Will report back once I tested them a bit.
I'm already thinking of getting a second wheelset and would be happy to get your advice and opinion. I have a Canyon CF SL which I would like to fit with carbon wheels. I probably will transfer the wheels someday to a new build (something like a Spcycle X70, X68 LTK-266 SL).
I thought on getting 50mm deep ones.
Marya offered me a wheelset with 24mm innerwidth, SR278C hubs, carbon spokes, and a advertised weight of around 1160. What are your toughts, would that be a suiting and futureproof wheelset? I plan on running 32 GP5000 on the rims.
Happy to hear your thoughts on that
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Latest shipping time
China to US, after shipped 4~5 days by FedEx, taxes include.
China to European, 5-8 days by UPS, 6-15 days by DPD.
New MTB wheels coming,
Can you provide any information on the new MTB wheels?
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Can you provide any information on the new MTB wheels?
36mm external width, 30mm internal width, 22mm height, weight 260~280g,
Boost hub M270,
With Steel spokes 1100g
With Carobn filber spokes Under 1000g.
Not yet officially produced.
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Got the 50mm Wave Whape wheelset and used since approx 11 August. According to Strava covered approx 400 miles in nearly dry conditions. Wheels have been all good except that front and rear bearings are completely shot. Rear seized and fronts on the way out.
Maybe a one off on a bad set of bearings but worth checking your bearings. Good news is contacted Serenade and they had no issues posting out a new set.
Just a follow up that new set of 6x SKF bearings arrived and have been installed. These seem to be an upgrade from stock but I'm no engineer or bearing expert. These are the new bearings - https://www.acorn-ind.co.uk/p/skf/single-row-deep-groove-ball-bearings/6210-2z-skf/
Wheels are running perfectly now - thanks again to Serenade for resolving.
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Bought my wheelset. 50mm depth, 23mm inner and 34mm outer. Wing20 with brass nipples and SR248 hubs. Should be around 1320g. Should get it in less than a month, and then i will update with what I think about the wheels. Talked via Whatsapp with Marya. Easy communication and fast responses.
Now I just wait to receive the wheels hope the wheels will be quick and reliable.
Got my wheels last week. Bought 14th Aug, sent 29tg Aug and received in Portugal 4th September. I think box could come with more protection, but in my case the box come without any damage. Weight was 1300g without tape.
Its my first carbon wheels, so I cant compare to others. But by looking they are amazing. Done like 200km right now, and they feel good. A bit faster than my alloy stock wheels. Need more rides to tell how much faster. Only thing I noticed less positive is that there is a bit of rotor rubbing while out of the saddle. I also installed new rotors, so maybe could help reset the pistons... I did a bit of riding with some wind and didnt felt unstable, sure it moves a bit, but pretty predictable (this with 32mm gp5000 that measure around 33mm in this rim).
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I just worked with Wendy to order a set of durable gravel wheels:
TAR30S (30mm deep, 24mm inner width, hooked), Flyweight, No decals. 3K Glossy.
SR315 hubs
Pillar 1423 spokes, 24/24, Laced 2X front/rear
Brass Nipples
~1381g
Really excited to receive them and will post photos when I get them (I didn't see many others order 3K and/or glossy)!
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I just worked with Wendy to order a set of durable gravel wheels:
TAR30S (30mm deep, 24mm inner width, hooked), Flyweight, No decals. 3K Glossy.
SR315 hubs
Pillar 1423 spokes, 24/24, Laced 2X front/rear
Brass Nipples
~1381g
Really excited to receive them and will post photos when I get them (I didn't see many others order 3K and/or glossy)!
There's probably a good reason why not mant people order 3K glossy 😁 but yeah, curious to see the result on your bike
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There's probably a good reason why not mant people order 3K glossy 😁 but yeah, curious to see the result on your bike
Why do you think that is? People just prefer more subtle look? I'm over compensating because my last bike was all black/gray and I want something that pops now!
For reference this is what 3K glossy is (from 7Tbikes website)
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Why do you think that is? People just prefer more subtle look? I'm over compensating because my last bike was all black/gray and I want something that pops now!
For reference this is what 3K glossy is (from 7Tbikes website)
Yeah I think people is playing it safe. Plain black wheels match every bike. The 3K finish needs matching finishes on the frame and so.
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Yeah I think people is playing it safe. Plain black wheels match every bike. The 3K finish needs matching finishes on the frame and so.
The front wheel will match the rear wheel and vice versa! ;D. This is one the situations where I really like the carbon fiber appearance unlike interior crap which looks like carbon fiber but isn't. I went with only 30mm deep rims so I don't think it will be too imposing.
Unrelated, how long did it take folks to for their wheels to ship and/or be delivered to the USA from the date of payment? I can't seem to get an actual estimate from them...
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Hello
For rims that are not in stock, production usually takes 10-15 working days, and after shipping, it takes 8 days to transport by FedEx. Taxes include.
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Hello
For rims that are not in stock, production usually takes 10-15 working days, and after shipping, it takes 8 days to transport by FedEx. Taxes include.
That's very helpful thanks.
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Hello
For rims that are not in stock, production usually takes 10-15 working days, and after shipping, it takes 8 days to transport by FedEx. Taxes include.
That's optimistic.
I am 27 days, with no confirmation of shipping for a standard set of wheels on your website.
My first order with you went really well.
This order is not so great and Marya is not being good at providing honest answers to manage expectations.
Edit: Shipping information now received.
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That's optimistic.
I am 27 days, with no confirmation of shipping for a standard set of wheels on your website.
My first order with you went really well.
This order is not so great and Marya is not being good at providing honest answers to manage expectations.
Edit: Shipping information now received.
Wow thanks for sharing your experience. Yea I think we could really benefit with more proactive and clear communication around production.
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Anybody had these delivered to the US recently? How much money in extra fees were you hit with?
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I just received my wheelset today
1200g 4550 wavy marble with 25/34
Came in at 1235g
Delivery took 14 days to Germany with DPD
The package was slightly compressed by DPD, the wheels were fine.
Quality seems very good, only 2 minor inperfections that you don't really notice on the marvel finish
Did you guys use the rim tape that came with the wheels? Is it any good? I will run ridenow TPU Inner tubes
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Can't say how it works for running tubes but I used the included tape for a tubeless setup. It was my first time taping rims, so it took a while, but I was able to get a good seal. I did use tubes overnight at high pressure to flatten out the tape and didn't have any issues, but they were traditional tubes instead of TPU.
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I just received my wheelset today
1200g 4550 wavy marble with 25/34
Came in at 1235g
Delivery took 14 days to Germany with DPD
The package was slightly compressed by DPD, the wheels were fine.
Quality seems very good, only 2 minor inperfections that you don't really notice on the marvel finish
Did you guys use the rim tape that came with the wheels? Is it any good? I will run ridenow TPU Inner tubes
is that 14 days from order date? Not bad, if so.
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is that 14 days from order date? Not bad, if so.
Yes, paid on the 11.09 delivered yesterday 25.09. The Tracking Code didn't Update before the 23.09
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is that 14 days from order date? Not bad, if so.
It's been 14 days since my order date and I can't even get an estimated ship date. Wendy just keeps telling me she'll "let me know if/when there is an update"... ::)
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That's optimistic.
I am 27 days, with no confirmation of shipping for a standard set of wheels on your website.
My first order with you went really well.
This order is not so great and Marya is not being good at providing honest answers to manage expectations.
Edit: Shipping information now received.
I received my wheels yesterday. First order was exponentially quicker. This order took 34 days. DPD shipping.
For tracking if your order has shipped but not yet been picked up by DPD or your courier, you can try this tracking site which picks up the logistics in China better than ParcelsApp and 17track:
http://47.103.28.217/
Marya explained to me that my order was longer than before due to
some modifications to the moulds being required.
Anyhow 60mm deep and carbon spokes, with tape and valves installed weighing 1357g. I'm happy with that. The value/quality ratio is very good. I just wish they were more transparent about shipping timeframes.
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I just received my wheelset today
1200g 4550 wavy marble with 25/34
Came in at 1235g
Delivery took 14 days to Germany with DPD
The package was slightly compressed by DPD, the wheels were fine.
Quality seems very good, only 2 minor inperfections that you don't really notice on the marvel finish
Did you guys use the rim tape that came with the wheels? Is it any good? I will run ridenow TPU Inner tubes
Provided tape with ridenow tubes workes well with mine!
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Got the 50mm Wave Whape wheelset and used since approx 11 August. According to Strava covered approx 400 miles in mostly nearly all dry conditions. Wheels have been all good expect that front and rear bearings are completely shot. Rear seized and fronts on the way out.
Maybe a one off on a bad set of bearings but worth checking your bearings. Good news is contacted Serenade and they had no issues posting out a new set.
Did you manage to get the ratchet ring out of the hub shell in order to punch out the bearing? I got the appropriate tool from Aliexpress but I cannot for the life of me get it to unscrew. I don’t want to damage the hub shell. Does it even have to come out? On DT Swiss hubs it must come out to make way for the bearing.
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I can answer my own question. In contrast to original DT Swiss hubs, the ratchet ring in the Serenade hubs doesn’t have to come out in order to replace the bearing. Haven’t tried it yet but that’s what Marya told me. So no special tools needed.
Now I have another proprietary tool I rarely use in my ever growing collection.
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This tool will be useful. To remove it, you need to increase the length of your arm.
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Hey guys, I'm still hesitating to take the plunge and order a set of wave wheels with Sapim spokes. For those of you who have purchased this exact wheelset, what's your long-term feedback?
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Hey guys, I'm still hesitating to take the plunge and order a set of wave wheels with Sapim spokes. For those of you who have purchased this exact wheelset, what's your long-term feedback?
To be honest, apart from a few cases of bearing replacements, there hasn't been any after-sales service. The after-sales rate is at 3%.
If there really is any after-sales issue, we will do our best to assist and provide local support.
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Hey guys, I'm still hesitating to take the plunge and order a set of wave wheels with Sapim spokes. For those of you who have purchased this exact wheelset, what's your long-term feedback?
Well I have just ordered a set of 60/60mm wheels
Why are you hesitating?
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I juste ordered a 5045 and 6055 @1310g for 529 USD before shipping with pillar wing 20 weighted. Communication before ordering was smooth and responsive.
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Hey all,
I’ve been following this Serenade thread for quite some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger and order a set of these rims. I’ve also been in contact with Silver Xia, the owner, who’s been really helpful and quick to reply.
On the Serenade website, the 60/60mm wheels are currently listed only in UD Paintless finish and come with black hubs. I asked Silver if they could do the hubs in silver, and he confirmed they could — so I’ve gone with silver hubs and UD Paintless Glossy rims as a custom request.
Here are the specs of the wheels I’ve ordered:
• Depth: 60mm front & rear (hooked)
• Width: 34mm external / 23mm internal
• Finish: UD Paintless Glossy (adds about 5 days before shipping)
• Spokes: Carbon bladed
• Hubs: Serenade SR278C (DT Swiss–style 36T ratchet, steel bearings)
• Freehub: Shimano HG (XDR also available)
• Load limit: 110 kg
• Claimed weight: 1280 g
• Price: $569 USD + $60 USD shipping (~£470 GBP all-in)
That said, I’m currently just trying to get the claimed weight confirmed.
Someone pointed out that if you add up the published weights of the rims, hubs, and spokes, it comes out closer to 1322 g, not 1280 g.
It could just be a typo on the website, or maybe the info I’ve been given isn’t fully up to date — I’m waiting for Silver to confirm. Either way, the price is very competitive, and it’ll be really interesting to get a set of these in hand and see how they perform on the road.
I’ll update this thread once they arrive with the actual weights and first impressions.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
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Hey all,
I’ve been following this Serenade thread for quite some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger and order a set of these Wheels’s and try a different brand and see if I can get some serious value for money . I’ve also been in contact with Silver Xia, the owner, who’s been really helpful and quick to reply.
On the Serenade website, the 60/60mm wheels are currently listed only in UD Paintless finish and come with black hubs. I asked Silver if they could do the hubs in silver, and he confirmed they could — so I’ve gone with silver hubs and UD Paintless Glossy rims as a custom request.
Here are the specs of the wheels I’ve ordered:
• Depth: 60mm front & rear (hooked)
• Width: 34mm external / 23mm internal
• Finish: UD Paintless Glossy (adds about 5 days before shipping)
• Spokes: Carbon bladed
• Hubs: Serenade SR278C (DT Swiss–style 36T ratchet, steel bearings)
• Freehub: Shimano HG (XDR also available)
• Load limit: 110 kg
• Claimed weight: 1280 g
• Price: $569 USD + $60 USD shipping (~£470 GBP all-in!!)
That said, I’m currently just trying to get the claimed weight confirmed.
Someone pointed out that if you add up the published weights of the rims, hubs, and spokes, it comes out closer to 1322 g, not 1280 g.
It could just be a typo on the website, or maybe the info I’ve been given isn’t fully up to date — I’m waiting for Silver to confirm. Either way, the price is very competitive, and it’ll be really interesting to get a set of these in hand and see how they perform on the road.
I’ll update this thread once they arrive with the actual weights and first impressions.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
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Hey all,
I’ve been following this Serenade thread for quite some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger and order a set of these rims. I’ve also been in contact with Silver Xia, the owner, who’s been really helpful and quick to reply.
On the Serenade website, the 60/60mm wheels are currently listed only in UD Paintless finish and come with black hubs. I asked Silver if they could do the hubs in silver, and he confirmed they could — so I’ve gone with silver hubs and UD Paintless Glossy rims as a custom request.
Here are the specs of the wheels I’ve ordered:
• Depth: 60mm front & rear (hooked)
• Width: 34mm external / 23mm internal
• Finish: UD Paintless Glossy (adds about 5 days before shipping)
• Spokes: Carbon bladed
• Hubs: Serenade SR278C (DT Swiss–style 36T ratchet, steel bearings)
• Freehub: Shimano HG (XDR also available)
• Load limit: 110 kg
• Claimed weight: 1280 g
• Price: $569 USD + $60 USD shipping (~£470 GBP all-in)
That said, I’m currently just trying to get the claimed weight confirmed.
Someone pointed out that if you add up the published weights of the rims, hubs, and spokes, it comes out closer to 1322 g, not 1280 g.
It could just be a typo on the website, or maybe the info I’ve been given isn’t fully up to date — I’m waiting for Silver to confirm. Either way, the price is very competitive, and it’ll be really interesting to get a set of these in hand and see how they perform on the road.
I’ll update this thread once they arrive with the actual weights and first impressions.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
1357 with tape and valves installed.
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Hey all,
I’ve been following this Serenade thread for quite some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger and order a set of these rims. I’ve also been in contact with Silver Xia, the owner, who’s been really helpful and quick to reply.
On the Serenade website, the 60/60mm wheels are currently listed only in UD Paintless finish and come with black hubs. I asked Silver if they could do the hubs in silver, and he confirmed they could — so I’ve gone with silver hubs and UD Paintless Glossy rims as a custom request.
Here are the specs of the wheels I’ve ordered:
• Depth: 60mm front & rear (hooked)
• Width: 34mm external / 23mm internal
• Finish: UD Paintless Glossy (adds about 5 days before shipping)
• Spokes: Carbon bladed
• Hubs: Serenade SR278C (DT Swiss–style 36T ratchet, steel bearings)
• Freehub: Shimano HG (XDR also available)
• Load limit: 110 kg
• Claimed weight: 1280 g
• Price: $569 USD + $60 USD shipping (~£470 GBP all-in)
That said, I’m currently just trying to get the claimed weight confirmed.
Someone pointed out that if you add up the published weights of the rims, hubs, and spokes, it comes out closer to 1322 g, not 1280 g.
It could just be a typo on the website, or maybe the info I’ve been given isn’t fully up to date — I’m waiting for Silver to confirm. Either way, the price is very competitive, and it’ll be really interesting to get a set of these in hand and see how they perform on the road.
I’ll update this thread once they arrive with the actual weights and first impressions.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
I made the comment on the weight. I think the issue is you have a variation of +- 15g on the rim. I hope they can tighten their tolerance.
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I made the comment on the weight. I think the issue is you have a variation of +- 15g on the rim. I hope they can tighten their tolerance.
Hey Man
Thanks for picking that up!
Can’t believe i missed it!
No you were right and I have spoken with them about it this morning
Wheels should be like 1320g.
It’s no big deal not at the price it’s only 40g so they need to update there site
I should get photos and weights before they are shippe so I will make light of the Claimed weight and hopefully it’s sorted there side as it’s misleading
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Hey all,
I’ve been following this Serenade thread for quite some time now and finally decided to pull the trigger and order a set of these rims. I’ve also been in contact with Silver Xia, the owner, who’s been really helpful and quick to reply.
On the Serenade website, the 60/60mm wheels are currently listed only in UD Paintless finish and come with black hubs. I asked Silver if they could do the hubs in silver, and he confirmed they could — so I’ve gone with silver hubs and UD Paintless Glossy rims as a custom request.
Here are the specs of the wheels I’ve ordered:
• Depth: 60mm front & rear (hooked)
• Width: 34mm external / 23mm internal
• Finish: UD Paintless Glossy (adds about 5 days before shipping)
• Spokes: Carbon bladed
• Hubs: Serenade SR278C (DT Swiss–style 36T ratchet, steel bearings)
• Freehub: Shimano HG (XDR also available)
• Load limit: 110 kg
• Claimed weight: 1280 g
• Price: $569 USD + $60 USD shipping (~£470 GBP all-in)
That said, I’m currently just trying to get the claimed weight confirmed.
Someone pointed out that if you add up the published weights of the rims, hubs, and spokes, it comes out closer to 1322 g, not 1280 g.
It could just be a typo on the website, or maybe the info I’ve been given isn’t fully up to date — I’m waiting for Silver to confirm. Either way, the price is very competitive, and it’ll be really interesting to get a set of these in hand and see how they perform on the road.
I’ll update this thread once they arrive with the actual weights and first impressions.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
Would love an update on these once received, it's basically the exact spec I was looking at ordering (although 95kg rider on TT bike might be right at the top of the weight limit!)
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Would love an update on these once received, it's basically the exact spec I was looking at ordering (although 95kg rider on TT bike might be right at the top of the weight limit!)
They do increased rider limit but this will add 100g to the set. not sure what it is will find out.
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Anything would match the Princeton Carbonworks 7580 wheelset?
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Anything would match the Princeton Carbonworks 7580 wheelset?
What do you mean?
You want a set of 75/80 wavey carbon rim?
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Happy with my 4550 and 5560 @1287g with steel spokes :)
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Finally received my gravel wheelset yesterday. Paid Sept 12 so took about 6 weeks, much longer than expected. They shipped them with a Shimano freehub when I ordered XDR so they still need to send me an XDR freehub. Fortunately the hubs are compatible with DT350 freehubs of which I already have one I can use in the mean time. I also asked if the rims came with drain holes, was told they they did but they arrived without them. They landed at exactly the spec weight and appear true by my eye. Still need to mount them so haven't ridden them.
Specs:
SR315 hubs (315g/pair)
TAR30s Rims flyweight 3K Glossy (24mm internal, 30mm external, 370g, 24H/24H)
Laced 2X on all sides
Brass nipples
Pillar 1423 spokes
1380g total
$532 shipped to US
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Hi,
I've lost the end cap for my rear wheel, or it wasn't in the package.
I contacted Serenade to find out how to replace it, but I'm asking here in the hope of getting a quicker response.
It's an SR248 hub. Are there any compatible models?
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I believe you have already received the new.
If you haven't received it yet, please contact me.
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I wonder if anyone likes this color; it's the original titanium alloy color, and the price will increase by $30.
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Black Friday Discount Voucher
Voucher Code: 8OSPPGP8W8UQ1
8%
Offer Duration: The discount will last until December 4th.
Shipping Update: We are absorbing the pressure of rising shipping costs and will not increase the freight prices, maintaining the following options:
DPD Air Freight: $80 (12-15 days)
UPS Rail Freight: $30 (25-30 days)
Please feel free to contact me.
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Happy with my 4550 and 5560 @1287g with steel spokes :)
Whats the build on the 5560 wavy set? are those 1287g?
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Is anyone able to order to the US using UPS rail? The only shipping option I am provided on the purchase screen is $95 for air freight. I want to use rail freight as I’m not in a rush.
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Is anyone able to order to the US using UPS rail? The only shipping option I am provided on the purchase screen is $95 for air freight. I want to use rail freight as I’m not in a rush.
Well, Just give it a quick thought 😉
China to US could get a bit more expensive via rail freight...
Rail freight is probably only an option for Europe.
To the real topic, received my wheelset today, ordered 9th November.
SR228 hubs, Pillar 1420 and TAR30s was quoted for 1200g±30g.
They haven't been able to pass that part of the spec. the wheelset came in at 1120g.
Absolutely great looking, absolutely true. I'm really happy and excited to get them on the road in the following weeks
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That’s fair. I just assumed it was “fly into an ups main hub and then put it on a train” vs “fly to your closest ups hub” given it was a commented around a Black Friday sale.
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Is anyone able to order to the US using UPS rail? The only shipping option I am provided on the purchase screen is $95 for air freight. I want to use rail freight as I’m not in a rush.
Hello Sir,
Following your suggestion, we have added sea freight as a shipping option.
Ship to US, You can choose by Air or by Sea shipping.
By sea, after shipped 25-35 days arrive, 45$, FedEx pick up from ROCKFORD.
By air, after shipped 8-12 days arrive, 95$, FedEx pick up from BLOOMINGTON.
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Like buses everything I have ordered is coming in at the same time!
Had the WhatsApp this morning – my 60/60mm set is finally ready!
Started this process back on 17th October. Me being me, I wanted to go off-spec: UD Gloss rims + silver hubs.
Was told matte rims were in stock and ready to ship in 7 days, but gloss would take 2–3 weeks. Okay, I waited… eventually got photos, but they weren’t UD gloss as requested – just gloss. Personally, not really bothered. Sh*t happens, and it’s only a set of wheels at the end of the day.
Some back and forth with Wendy (fantastic comms btw), but if I wanted UD gloss it would mean another couple of weeks. Couldn’t be arsed – not a deal breaker – so I went matte UD.
Originally, when the wheels were ordered, the website claimed 1280g, but I can’t remember if it was me or someone else who pointed out that if you added the specified weights, the wheels were actually closer to 1320g, which was in line with what people were posting. Had a look today and the page has now been updated to 1310g.
At the time, I asked if they had any lighter spokes since the standard ones are bladed carbon and steel. They said they had 2.9mm carbon/titanium spokes at 2.1g including nipples, and the upgrade was only $30 USD, so I went for it. Estimated weight was then 1284g, in line with the original claim.
I was a bit unsure how these spokes would look on the 60s, but from the photos they look fine – and the wheels came in at 1287.5g. :D
Product link
Delivery shouldn’t take long as UK-based purchasers, I believe, have been receiving wheels in about 7 days.
Would be good to get some updated posts from people on their wheels to see how they’re getting on.
I’ll inevitably post when they land – not sure if I’ll get out on them before Christmas or not as I’ve got a lot on!
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60mm Serenade wheels finally arrived yesterday! They actually got into the UK last week, but I was away on holiday, so just got my hands on them now.
Communication was great with Wendy even after the initial comms mix up but handled well, no big deal!
Initial impressions out of the box: the wheels look great—very clean and tidy. Came with spare spokes and rim tape, which is always nice. They look exactly as expected after reading everyone else’s reviews.
They came with decals, but I’ve removed them—probably saved around 4.5g in the process.
Weather pending hopefully get out on them Saturday!
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Tyres and bits all mounted up
• Tyres: Continental GP5000s 28mm
• Tubes: Ride Now 19g, 65mm TPU
• Rim Tape: Supplier unspecified
• Brakes: Galfer Wave C/L 160mm front / 140mm rear
• Crankset: Shimano (with Locm Rings)
• Cassette: Sixwheel Evo Steel 11-34T
Weights:
• Total bike weight: 2235.2 g
• Wheelset: 1287.5 g
• Additional weight: +947.7 g
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I have just received my shipment 278 hubs with asymmetrical 21mm internal rims (planning on running 28c). I know the rims are UD unpainted raw which will show more blemish from production but just wondering what people think of these? Normal? They look visually bad but they are smooth.
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I have just received my shipment 278 hubs with asymmetrical 21mm internal rims (planning on running 28c). I know the rims are UD unpainted raw which will show more blemish from production but just wondering what people think of these? Normal? They look visually bad but they are smooth.
People as this all the time and I wish the wheel brands when they sell this UD Raw Paintless finish would explain to buyer this is the nature of the finish.
The blemishes you’re seeing are typical for UD unpainted raw carbon. It’s the natural outcome of the manufacturing process, not a defect. As long as the surface is smooth it’s normal.
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People as this all the time and I wish the wheel brands when they sell this UD Raw Paintless finish would explain to buyer this is the nature of the finish.
The blemishes you’re seeing are typical for UD unpainted raw carbon. It’s the natural outcome of the manufacturing process, not a defect. As long as the surface is smooth it’s normal.
I understand there should be blemishes just that the first picture looks like delamination but it is actually smooth so couldn't tell if that is normal to a UD paintless. Other "imperfection" I see on the rim I understand it is due to the paintless effect.
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Here is my initial pictures and feedback. Took advantaged of the 11-11 promo so this is the odd ball that I've ordered
- TRF50SE (No Logo) (21mm internal asymmetrical - 2.5mm offset), 50mm deep
- UD Matte Paintless,
- Hub: SR278C Spoke
- Carbon Spoke
- Freehub: Shimano HG
Package got deliver just before Christmas. There were some communications issues like it is being built but took another 2-3 wheels before it got shipped after saying it is being built. Shipping they said was through UPS but I got a China Post tracking number instead. Surprisingly once the shipment started to move it really started to move quickly. Landed in Canada without any duty.
Kit comes with tubless valves (80mm), 2 spare spoke, and rim take (26mm for 21mm internal?). Some initial measurements:
- 21mm internal: measured closer around 21.6mm or maybe slightly larger
- 29mm external: measured close to 29.5mm and slightly narrower closer to the bead
- Weight: Front 528g, Rear 637g, Total: 1166g (lighter than expected)
Initial quality,
- Some blemish from the UD paintless but it also looks like their mould might not be perfectly clean when laying the rims up.
- Pad printing on the hub (see pictures), are definitely not aligned and the model of the hub is chopped off at the bottom
- Trueness: mostly true but there are some spots of slightly out of true
- Grease: may be a little light on the grease, I didn't see any o-rings on the end caps so might need to put some more grease for better durability
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Every one,
Merry Chrimstams!
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Hello all,
Happy new year,
May everyone's wishes come true.
Serenade will also launch more new products.
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After 3 month test,
The 1015g MTB Wheelset Online.
Rim: 36 x 30 x 22mm depth
Hub: M308C 24H boost XD/MS
Spokes: 3.5mm wide aero spokes,
(2.0mm round spokes will be launched in February)
link,
https://serenadebikes.net/carbon-spokes-29er-mountain-bike-wheelset-30mm-inner-22mm-depth-xc-mtb-carbon-rims-p6889720.html
Contact us for the coupons.
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Received my 50mm wheels from serenade. Carbon spokes with titanium nipples and titanium grey hubs. Weight came at 1189g. Slapped some custom stickers provided by Serenade and installed on the bike. Going to Tenerife for 2 weeks on Thursday to test it out. They look impressive in person.
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I got my 60mm 23is/34ow this week too. Titanium color hubs too. Really happy with the initial quality and looks. No photos or weights, I realized about it after I had tubeless sealant set.
Rim tape and included valves are good quality. Setup was a breeze, everything went smoothly but the rear rotor, there was no way of installing dura ace rt-cl900 rotor on the rear wheel, it rubbed the outer part of the rotor no matter how I place the caliper, front wheel is fine. I tried with an used mt900(xtr) and several aliexpress rotors without this issue. It seems that new dura ace rotor doesn't interface properly with sr278c rear hub. Has anyone experienced something similar?
I m really looking forward for a proper test ride, compared to my dt erc1400 they feel nimbler.
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Had the 50mm wavy wheelset come in this week with 25mm internal.
Weight 580g for front wheel and 665g for rear bringing to a grand total of 1245g which is frankly astonishing for the price.
Went with Sapim CX in the end.
Waiting now on the frame to come in before I put them through their paces but want to vouch for the high level of customer service also. v impressed. :)
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@Halfshark what did you pay for these?
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Less than 550 gbp
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I got my 60mm 23is/34ow this week too. Titanium color hubs too. Really happy with the initial quality and looks. No photos or weights, I realized about it after I had tubeless sealant set.
Rim tape and included valves are good quality. Setup was a breeze, everything went smoothly but the rear rotor, there was no way of installing dura ace rt-cl900 rotor on the rear wheel, it rubbed the outer part of the rotor no matter how I place the caliper, front wheel is fine. I tried with an used mt900(xtr) and several aliexpress rotors without this issue. It seems that new dura ace rotor doesn't interface properly with sr278c rear hub. Has anyone experienced something similar?
I m really looking forward for a proper test ride, compared to my dt erc1400 they feel nimbler.
Has the problem been solved?
All center lock hubs are of the same specifications.
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After reading this sub I ended up buying a set of 60 mm Serenade wheels with carbon spokes and steel bearings:
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
SR278C Hubs.
Full disclosure: I posted a video of it on Instagram that got some good attention (for my follower count - I’m no Patty!). Then I talked with Serenade and they offered me partner up with them. The video is made before this tough and I’ve added a 5% discount code to it afterwards.
Long story short, if you want to hear the hubs and see the wheels:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTxocXYiChi/?igsh=MTA5YWgzZDJjNWN2aw==
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Has the problem been solved?
All center lock hubs are of the same specifications.
Installed the dura ace rotor on my DT swiss, will try it at some point, the rotor is new and from r2 bike, but it could be out of spec and not the serenade hub.
My front rim has this protuding bubble, is it ok?
Edit: used the dura ace rotor on the spare wheelset (dt erc 1400)that worked without issues before with all the rotors and same problem. Serenade rear cl disc hub has the exact same spacing as dt Swiss wheel, so it could be tolerances that stack up from shimano and/or winspace frame, serenade hub is not the culprit and it is not faulty.
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kubackje , can you tell me more about your bike in the pics above ?
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kubackje , can you tell me more about your bike in the pics above ?
Scott addict rc10 2020 size 58
Dura ace 11s mechanical
Bigrock Skyline handlebars 110/38
Exs lightweight handlebar tape
Bigrock 165mm crankset with xcadey PM
Stone 50/34 chainrings
Goldix ULT steel cassette 11-34
Serenade wheels 50mm
TTT pro carbon rotors 140/160
Tufo Comtura prima TT tires
Ultegra long axle pedals
Hylix thru axles
Ryet ultralight carbon saddle 128mm
Dura Ace 12s chain
AliExpress carbon cages
3d printed rear radar mount by 3dsn.pl
Anything else you wanna know?
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kubackje , can you tell me more about your bike in the pics above ?
The bulge here is usually caused by a small amount of air entering, which is commonly encountered in carbon fiber molding. Since it’s very small and we haven’t addressed it, it has no impact on the strength of the rim.
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New wheelset with carbon spokes.
🔹 Wavy Carbon Rims: Variable 45/40mm, 50/45mm, 55/50mm, 60/55mm
🔹 Carbon Spoke: 24 spokes, 3.5mm wide. 3.2g
🔹 New hubs: SR251C, 142/100x12mm, HG,XDR, CP, MS. 248g
🔹 UD surface Finish: A raw high-tech aesthetic that saves grams and looks stealthy.
🔹 Wide & Modern: 25mm internal width, 21mm internal width, optimized for your favorite 28-32mm tires.
🔹45/40mm weight 1152g, Rim height over 45mm, rider weight limit 125kg.
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New wheelset with carbon spokes.
🔹 Wavy Carbon Rims: Variable 45/40mm, 50/45mm, 55/50mm, 60/55mm
🔹 Carbon Spoke: 24 spokes, 3.5mm wide. 3.2g
🔹 New hubs: SR251C, 142/100x12mm, HG,XDR, CP, MS. 248g
🔹 UD surface Finish: A raw high-tech aesthetic that saves grams and looks stealthy.
🔹 Wide & Modern: 25mm internal width, 21mm internal width, optimized for your favorite 28-32mm tires.
🔹45/40mm weight 1152g, Rim height over 45mm, rider weight limit 125kg.
Price ? Also you wrote internal width twice
25 mm external width is not really modern
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Not only for wavy rims.
21mm, 23mm,24mm, 25mm, 30mm internal.
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My rear wheel has started wiggling. I am suspecting that the hub might be the issue, I would like anyway to replace the bearing and even the ratchet. The hub is SR036.
https://www.7tbike.com/product/carbon-spokes-road-bicycle-wheels-hubs-sr036.html
The listing show four 6802 2RS at the back. How easy would it be to replace those? Are there really 4 bearing in the hub? I am used to 2.
Thanks!
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My rear wheel has started wiggling. I am suspecting that the hub might be the issue, I would like anyway to replace the bearing and even the ratchet. The hub is SR036.
https://www.7tbike.com/product/carbon-spokes-road-bicycle-wheels-hubs-sr036.html
The listing show four 6802 2RS at the back. How easy would it be to replace those? Are there really 4 bearing in the hub? I am used to 2.
Thanks!
I'd guess it's two in hub body and two in the freehub
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My rear wheel has started wiggling. I am suspecting that the hub might be the issue, I would like anyway to replace the bearing and even the ratchet. The hub is SR036.
https://www.7tbike.com/product/carbon-spokes-road-bicycle-wheels-hubs-sr036.html
The listing show four 6802 2RS at the back. How easy would it be to replace those? Are there really 4 bearing in the hub? I am used to 2.
Thanks!
The front hub has 2 bearings and the rear hub has 4 bearings—all are 6802 2RS models. They are very easy to replace and don't require many tools. If you need them, we can ship them to you.
To determine if the issue is indeed the bearings, you can have a local bike shop take a look (we will cover the costs). The bearing play should not be this significant.
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I've had these for a while now and feel like I can share my praises of them. First and foremost, I bought these last November for my future (soon hopefully, I just submitted payment) FM126 build. I did not expect them to come so quickly, nor to actually be riding them, but I've had them on my gravel bike for some winter miles on pavement. They feel insanely quick and insanely light, but again, I was riding a carbon gravel wheelset so that's kind of obvious.
I ordered the 50mm wavy, 25mm internal hooked width, with pillar spokes. I got a black friday discount, and asked for cheaper/slower shipping options (got laughed at for this, but you're welcome), and paid $531 with tax and shipping. Out of the box, the hubs were pretty quiet and didn't sound like the youtube video posted. I asked about this, got a quick reply that it was expected and the SR249 are quiet hubs, and was fine with that. After a few hundred miles, they are definitely quite a bit louder. I still don't care, but just something to note. I've been riding these in crusty conditions (New England USA winter), so I'm guessing there's probably a little gunk in the hubs. I had some issue with the tubeless setup but after dealing with slow leaks for a while, I just redid it, this time double taping the rim, and now I have no issue. I've noticed a lot of brands give the bare minimum amount of tape, so I was pretty thankful to Serenade for actually including enough to have some margin for error. Thank you for the support, Marya!
I have 32mm GP5000s on and the bike just rips. My gravel bike is a Specialized Diverge with a mechanical SRAM Apex 1x11, which IMO is an amazing bike, but is a bit boring in terms of stability and comfort. The wheels are giving me a surprising amount of zippy feeling.
I think the real test will be how they come together with the upcoming Mondince FM126 - I'll probably follow up here after that's all together.
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EDIT: They arrived today. April 2026 - What are people in the US experiencing for ship times? I placed an order February 24 and received shipping info from Wendy on March 8. Shipped via boat. Thanks!
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If the wheelset in stock.
22-32 days. From China To USA. Shipping needs to be scheduled
9-12 days, By Air.
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If the wheelset in stock.
22-32 days. From China To USA. Shipping needs to be scheduled
9-12 days, By Air.
Which model is that wheel on the picture ?
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Which model is that wheel on the picture ?
This is a semi-public model.
45/42mm wavy rims, 25mm inner. offset 2.6mm.
Smoother waves
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Bought the 60 mm 23int 34ext build with Sapim-xray this autumn for some 550 dollars with shipping to Sweden. Clear communication beforehand via WhatsApp, had the recommendation to go X-ray spokes for comfort and reliable performance, sitting at 83 kg and pushing some 1200 watts in 15s sprints. Also discussed the 55-60 rims, but they suggested the regular 60s for the same reason. Got pictures after assembly on weight, just below 1400g. Was also away when the package arrived so the after sales team contacted me to make sure I was not sent back, felt really proffesional to have that kind of attention!
Have only ridden them with 28 mm Vittoria Corsa(measures bang on 30 mm on the rim) with ridenow tubes on my newly assembled Velobuild aerotrace(368). They feel absolutely rock solid, easy to mount the wheels, dead-true after some 900+ km of riding in some fairly rough early spring conditions in the north of Sweden. The accelerate well, atleast by my standards, holds speed and perform as I want them to. Its a high rim so in gusty crosswinds you need to hold onto your handlebars, but I usually do that anyway when I ride a bike 😅 Compared to early days V-shape rims they are super stable.
Will se how long the beerings last, but even if they break down I will be super happy with the purchase. From the feedback before shopping, during, and after sales I would argue that these are some of the best wheels if you dont want to spend more money than necessary, want to have a modern int and external measure. I also looked a lot at CSC, which could have been even a bit cheaper, but went Serenade because of the slightly wider rim. Will buy another pair for my girlfriend in the future, will probably compare CSC, Serenade, DFS and Zen against each other again, but after the very smooth experience Ive had of buying, and using, and since I like to find a optimum of bang-for-the-buck, I will lean towards Serenade again. Would recommend the product and the company!
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Awesome looking bike!
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The bearings and ratchet are usually shipped with only a small amount of grease. It is therefore recommended to apply a little more grease to the bearings and freewheel to prevent damage and rust. But that applies to all manufacturers.
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I've been eyeing these wheelsets for a while now, but I am so confused with all the hubs. What should I look for a decent ratchet (DT) style hub? I am at 78 kg more or less climbing avoiding sprints if possible, if that matters. Any suggestions? 248/268?
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I've been eyeing these wheelsets for a while now, but I am so confused with all the hubs. What should I look for a decent ratchet (DT) style hub? I am at 78 kg more or less climbing avoiding sprints if possible, if that matters. Any suggestions? 248/268?
SR268, Compatible with DT swiss, impact resistance
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I've been eyeing these wheelsets for a while now, but I am so confused with all the hubs. What should I look for a decent ratchet (DT) style hub? I am at 78 kg more or less climbing avoiding sprints if possible, if that matters. Any suggestions? 248/268?
Go DT ratchet style if you can. But it should be no bug deal as most people dont service there own hubs anyway so it really does not matter. But if you want to swap the racthet over at home ratchet is easier than Pawl,
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=sr+248+and+sr268+serenade&mid=4706334B5901818F37F24706334B5901818F37F2&churl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fchannel%2fUC89dbp-nrKyfEA8CmXNXDnQ&FORM=VIRE
Model: SR268
Body Material: AL7050-T6
Axle Material: AL7075-T6
Disc brake: center lock
O.L.D: 100 x 12mm
Spoke: 14G * 24 Holes
Weight: 93 gr, rear 176g
Front Flange P.C.D: 36 mm L/R
Rear Flange P.C.D: 32/44 mm L/R
Front Bearing: 6802 x 2 TPI
Rear Bearing: 15267 x1, 6802 x 3, TPI
Rear Hub
Weight: 156g
Spoke Holes: 24
Sealed Bearings: TPI 6802 2RS*4pcs
Ratchet 36T
O.L.D.:142x 12mm
Axle Material: AL7075
Cassette Body Material: AL7075
Cassette Body: Shimano ,XDR
Color: Black
Front Hub
Weight: 80.6g
Sealed Bearings: TPI 6802 2RS*2pcs
Spoke Holes: 24
O.L.D.: 100mm x 12mm
Axle Material: AL7075
Color: Black
There in not much in the hubs really both DT ratchets but one uses 7050 2(68) aluminium the 0ther 7075 (248)
Carbon spoke just go with there SR278
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Thanks! I am rocking DT 370 on my mountain bike with upgraded 60-tooth ratchet ring from AliX and could not be more pleased (oh, the sound!). I service my hubs regularly so I prefer the ratchet system from that perspective as well.
Leaning towards this model in 50 mm depth and wider spokes: https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
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Thanks! I am rocking DT 370 on my mountain bike with upgraded 60-tooth ratchet ring from AliX and could not be more pleased (oh, the sound!). I service my hubs regularly so I prefer the ratchet system from that perspective as well.
Leaning towards this model in 50 mm depth and wider spokes: https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
I've that model in 60 mm. I got them for this season and have been riding them for around 2 months now.
They are massive upgrade to the Elitewheels I had before. The first things I noticed was the acceleration out of the corners etc. But just in general it feels like my bike is just faster this year. My power have not increased, but my speed have and the only thing I really have changed is the wheels (this almost makes it sound like a miracle product.. It's not - but I'm really pleased with it).
I don't know what the forum rules are on this, so I won't just post it, but I've a 8% discount code if you need it.
EDIT: if you want to hear them:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW6bMlACLtb/?igsh=ZGZ6bHMxcnUwbHFx
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Hello Serenade !
Do you plan on offering wavy 60-65mm deep wheels ? Would also be interested in 65-70 even.
Thanks
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I've that model in 60 mm. I got them for this season and have been riding them for around 2 months now.
They are massive upgrade to the Elitewheels I had before. The first things I noticed was the acceleration out of the corners etc. But just in general it feels like my bike is just faster this year. My power have not increased, but my speed have and the only thing I really have changed is the wheels (this almost makes it sound like a miracle product.. It's not - but I'm really pleased with it).
I don't know what the forum rules are on this, so I won't just post it, but I've a 8% discount code if you need it.
EDIT: if you want to hear them:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DW6bMlACLtb/?igsh=ZGZ6bHMxcnUwbHFx
Just watched/listened to your posts on these wheels yesterday. Cool stuff!
The thing is, I mostly do longer and steeper climbs when and where possible. I currently run ICAN AERO35s with 21 mm internal and 35 mm depth on Sapim cx-ray spokes that weight just below 1300 g that I bought new on auction for a fraction of the sticker price. The wheels are fine and all, but I am very tempted to try deeper wheels with carbon spokes (3.5 or even 5 mm) and would love to decrease the weight if possible. I will also need to check the aesthetics of 60 mm deep wheels on my bike.
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Just watched/listened to your posts on these wheels yesterday. Cool stuff!
The thing is, I mostly do longer and steeper climbs when and where possible. I currently run ICAN AERO35s with 21 mm internal and 35 mm depth on Sapim cx-ray spokes that weight just below 1300 g that I bought new on auction for a fraction of the sticker price. The wheels are fine and all, but I am very tempted to try deeper wheels with carbon spokes (3.5 or even 5 mm) and would love to decrease the weight if possible. I will also need to check the aesthetics of 60 mm deep wheels on my bike.
Thank you mate! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I'm the wrong guy to help for climbing equipment. I'm big/heavy and live in flat Denmark - my go to is always aero. But even 50 mm Serenade would be lighter.
Aesthetic wise I always think that deeper rims looks better :)
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Just watched/listened to your posts on these wheels yesterday. Cool stuff!
The thing is, I mostly do longer and steeper climbs when and where possible. I currently run ICAN AERO35s with 21 mm internal and 35 mm depth on Sapim cx-ray spokes that weight just below 1300 g that I bought new on auction for a fraction of the sticker price. The wheels are fine and all, but I am very tempted to try deeper wheels with carbon spokes (3.5 or even 5 mm) and would love to decrease the weight if possible. I will also need to check the aesthetics of 60 mm deep wheels on my bike.
You can definitely go lighter and deeper. I got 21mm internal with 50mm deep and 3.5mm carbon spoke. Weight 1180g for the pair.
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Hello Serenade !
Do you plan on offering wavy 60-65mm deep wheels ? Would also be interested in 65-70 even.
Thanks
Hi Dewa6975,
6560 We can do it.
24 spokes wavy, 65mm depth.
Rim 500g,
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Placed an order (50 mm, 5 mm carbon spokes, silver hubs). Let's see how they turn out ... 8)
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Ordered these 23mm Internal High Performance Aero Bike Wheels Build With Carbon fiber Spokes.
Came in this week, did a test ride yesterday damn great value for this money.
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How long did it take from placing an order to delivery and where to?
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Hello Edy,
We stock and ship from China,
Choose DPD shipping method, No Taxes.
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Finally the weather is good enough for my first test run after purchasing a set from Black Friday discount. I got something I guess a little usual compare to everyone else, 21mm internal with asymmetrical rim, 50mm deep and carbon spokes. Works out to be 1180g. First test ride of 40km, wheel/bike feels fast and stiff (may need to adjust tire pressure a little). But the acceleration and snappiness is like instant! Looking for more long term testing.
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How long did it take from placing an order to delivery and where to?
+-14 days to Belgium. Got a message a few days after arriving to ask how it was going with the wheels, follow up on point! ;-)
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too early to service but thinking down the road, what tools is needed for the SR278C hubs? I think it needs a special tool like DT swiss to remove the ratchet ring in order to remove the bearings?
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Anyone has a coupon code for Serenade store?
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Ask them via PN or send a Whatsapp
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Anyone has a coupon code for Serenade store?
I've sent you one in messages if you still need it :)
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too early to service but thinking down the road, what tools is needed for the SR278C hubs? I think it needs a special tool like DT swiss to remove the ratchet ring in order to remove the bearings?
No ratchet tool required.
The 15267 bearing is smaller than the ratchet ring.
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Got a set of 50s with 21 carbon spokes and 23internal/34external on the way. I got the same rims already with CY-Rays in 60mm depth and those wheels are awesome in how comfy and yet fast they are. The new wheels will go onto a climbing bike. Hoping they not too harsh.
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I've sent you one in messages if you still need it :)
I'm new here. Do you still have a 8% code? Would like to get a 23IW 1,200gr 50mm silver hub. I have a 60mm 23 IW 1,300gr set, it's pretty fast.
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Does anyone know if these or any wheel set they make come in a staggered set? As in a 50mm from and 60mm rear etc ?
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Does anyone know if these or any wheel set they make come in a staggered set? As in a 50mm from and 60mm rear etc ?
Sure, just contact them by WhatsApp.
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No ratchet tool required.
The 15267 bearing is smaller than the ratchet ring.
according to the site it uses 2802 but you mentioned 15267. Which one is correct and both still smaller than the ratchet ring?
https://serenadebikes.com/product/serenade-sr278c-rear-and-front-20-holes-road-bicycle-disc-brake-hub-for-carbon-fiber-spokes/
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I'm new here. Do you still have a 8% code? Would like to get a 23IW 1,200gr 50mm silver hub. I have a 60mm 23 IW 1,300gr set, it's pretty fast.
Yeah. I've send you a DM :)
Bike looks great btw!
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according to the site it uses 2802 but you mentioned 15267. Which one is correct and both still smaller than the ratchet ring?
https://serenadebikes.com/product/serenade-sr278c-rear-and-front-20-holes-road-bicycle-disc-brake-hub-for-carbon-fiber-spokes/
Front Hub: 6803 2RS (x2)
Rear Hub: 15267 2RS (x2) and 6802 2RS (x2)
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15267 bearing with ratchet ring.
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Wasn't there a post here re: hooked wheels ?
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Wasn't there a post here re: hooked wheels ?
Most random posts I find are hooked wheelsets
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My wheels have finally arrived and made their maiden voyage.
https://serenadebikes.net/23mm-internal-high-performance-aero-bike-wheels-build-with-carbon-fiber-spokes-p6704522.html
50 mm deep, 5 mm carbon spokes, silver hubs, HG freehub; weighted at 1196 g (without tape)
Paired with GP5000 in 30 mm version (clincher version, measured at 31 mm) and TPU inner tubes they feel fast and noticeably more comfortable than my previous wheels with Sapim CX steel spokes. The ratchet also has a nice metallic sound to it ...
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There's a new rim coming up with 25 internal and same 34 external as the current 23/34, right? No "snakeskin" or wavy rims. I've seen the rim profile in the China bikes Facebook group in a comment but I can't find it anymore. When will this be available and in which depths?
Kinda want to try something deeper than my current 50mm Farsports/Wheelsfar Hyper in 24/31, looking into Reserve 57/64 and China alternatives.
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So you mean an update from 23 to 25mm of those rims, right?
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Exactly, saw it in the Facebook group but can't for the life of me find it again. What I don't like too much about the current 23/34 is that they are pretty shallow on the top of the rim, I think more like 31 instead of the 34 on the widest bit.
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Exactly, saw it in the Facebook group but can't for the life of me find it again. What I don't like too much about the current 23/34 is that they are pretty shallow on the top of the rim, I think more like 31 instead of the 34 on the widest bit.
The rims above are wider than 31mm I believe but I will check when I get a set.
The attached rim you mean is only 50mm
Attached is there rim catalogue
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The rims above are wider than 31mm I believe but I will check when I get a set.
The attached rim is that you mean only 50mm
Attached is there rim catalogue
Thanks, Stephen!
Would be nice if this would also be available in 60 and 65mm.
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The rims above are wider than 31mm I believe but I will check when I get a set.
The attached rim you mean is only 50mm
Attached is there rim catalogue
Ive ordered a set of wheels with these spokes. Steel spokes, brass nipples and the SR042 hub. Wanted something for year long use. Quoted as being 1375g in total.
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I've sent you one in messages if you still need it :)
Can you also send it to me? Thanks
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Hello all,
For my new road bike project (I'm going with the Lightcarbon LC018 frame) I will be using 30 to 32 mm wide tires.
I am torn apart between two wheelset (both profile are compatible with the tires I want to run) and wanted some insights :
1st option : LightCarbon C53DB 23 mm internal 32 mm external
Pro :
- 600 USD with shipping
- comes with ceramic bearings + 54T ratchet
- Sapim CX-Ray spokes
Cons :
- Heavier at around 1370 gr
2nd option : Serenade 23mm mm High Performance Aero Bike Wheels 23 mm internal 34 mm external
Pro :
- lighter at around 1250 gr
- carbon spokes that looks gorgeous
Cons :
- A bit more expensive especially if I take the ceramic bearings.
For context I ride in France and in winter there is lots of rain and the road are sometimes rough (potholes) greasy and grimy.
My questions are :
1) Which hubs between the 2 wheelset do you think will be the more resistant, easiest to maintain and eventually replace ?
2) Are carbon spokes more or les durable than the Sapim and is it easy to replace a carbon spoke ? (I know how to do it with a steel one but never had carbon spokes wheels)
3) are ceramics bearings worth it ?
4) Given my context which wheelset would you choose ?
Thanks !
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Don't go ceramic bearing unless it is Ceramicspeed.
For 30/32 mm tires choose something with 25 mm internal width.
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ceramic bearings make no sense. Don't buy them. Even a ceramic bearing can rust, since the bearing shells are made of steel. Steel bearing is also fine. As long as you use enough greace, everything is perfect also with steel bearings. Most of the wheelssets have nearly no greace. Therefore directly after you receive them, apply more greace under the end caps. Then you will have less problems in winter time.
For 30/32mm tires I would also prefer 24/25 inner wide. ;D
There are some rims from Serenade with 24mm, see picture. Than you need light hubs like SR268 and the CX-Ray. The external rotating mass must be as small as possible. So the rim is most important. Followed by the Spokes. Of course a carbon spoke is light, but it is hard to replace them. The CX Ray is a reliable and high-quality spoke.
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The rims above are wider than 31mm I believe but I will check when I get a set.
The attached rim you mean is only 50mm
Attached is there rim catalogue
Somebody enlighten me on rims like these. It has a very wide internal width, but with the 31mm external width at the rim, you are basically forced to run a 28mm tire, as a 30mm tire at that width would measure over 31mm for sure. It seems like the internal width is very nice, but too wide for the outer width.
What kind of tires to people run on rims like these, and what kind of rims are good for 30-32mm tires so that it would still follow the rule of 105?
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The brand ENVE actually states this: avoid using ceramic bearings, as steel bearings offer better stability.
As for internal widths of 24mm and 25mm, they are indeed designed for 30mm tires. A 24mm internal width is highly compatible with 28mm tires, whereas for a 25mm internal width (32mm outer) , a 30mm tire might be the absolute minimum requirement.
Around 10-15 days, We will have a lot of 25mm inner 50mm depth in stock 20/24H
There are 5 set 20H 25mm inner for carbon spokes, with a better price. Weight of the rim 420g.
Contact me.
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Some models are already available.
25mm inner.
It's not the lightest, but it's definitely stable.
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Ordered the 60mm X-weave ones. 21mm internal, so stone-age according to some, but they look stunning to me.
539 eur with shipping and taxes included to Europe. Ordered today (15.06), was in contact with Wendy, who said turnaround would be around 15 days with another 2 weeks for shipping. I asked for pictures before shipping, so let's see if they're able to facilitate that. Will post opinion and review once received :)
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Web site says its not available anymore. Is this true?
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Web site says its not available anymore. Is this true?
Better of sending them a WhatsApp if you cannot find what you’re looking for.
Plus they have two websites and the .net one is the older one.
If you message Wendy at Sernade she can help +86 133 3802 7203 I’m would be surprised if they are not available still.
And if you make a purchase over $500usd you can get an additional 8% off with code my code CHINABIKE ;)
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There is another discount code available: AQHVSJW8
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There is also discount code: SERENADE-OFF
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Received my gravel wheels (32int, 50deep) today. 4 weeks from payment to receival in Germany.
Including free spare spokes, valves and installed tubeless tape.
Definitely one of the best values out there currently.
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I've been reading through this thread for a while and Serenade seems to be one of the brands that keeps popping up.
The value for money looks pretty crazy to be honest, especially compared to some of the mainstream brands. The specs seem good, the weights look competitive, and with the discounts that are floating around they're starting to look very tempting.
Just wondering what people's experiences have been though. Has anyone actually had any issues with the wheels, hubs, bearings, spoke tension, warranty support, or anything else?
From what I've seen so far they seem to be offering a lot for the money and I haven't come across many complaints, but sometimes that can just mean people don't bother posting follow-up reviews after they've bought them.
I've had a look through the range and they seem like a solid option on paper. Would be good to hear from some long-term owners and not just people who've weighed them straight out of the box. How are they holding up after a season or two of riding? Any regrets or would you buy another set?
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If you don't need the absolute lightest, but still competitive (in terms of weight) wheelset, I think Serenade is a great option that is cheaper or very similarly priced than other offerings around here. I got a 45mm carbon wheelset with carbon spokes from them this winter for 560€ including shipping to Europe. The wheelset weighs 1120g with tape installed (comes in the box).
The wheels I received were not *completely* balanced, but they were good enough so I was not bothered adjusting them. This is about the only complaint I have. The pros really outweigh the cons though: wheels are fast, don't feel sluggish, have maintained their balance during the ~4000km of use (this includes some unforgiving gravel use -- even though they are road bike wheels), the support has been great regarding some questions I had before and after ordering/using the wheelset. There seem to be a lot of good wheel manufacturer options available lately, but I can fully recommend Serenade. I think they shine especially in the pricing and aftersales support department.
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Serenade were kind enough to send me a set of their new 65mm “Snakeskin” wheelset for review.
Full disclosure—they sent these to me free of charge, but the opinions below are entirely my own. In fact, I’d already been seriously considering buying a set because I thought they looked really interesting.
I’ve now got around 90km on them, so these are only first impressions rather than a full review.
Specification:
* 65mm front / rear
* 20/20 spoke count
* 3.9mm carbon spokes
* Claimed weight: 1,296g
I’m running Continental GP5000 30mm front and 32mm rear, which measure approximately 32mm and 34mm on these rims. The front tyre/rim transition works really well aerodynamically, while the rear is a little wider, which I don’t think is particularly important.
Initial impressions are very positive. They’re light for a 65mm wheelset, feel impressively stiff under power and have been very stable in crosswinds so far. No strange noises, no brake rub, and they’ve felt solid from the first ride.
The “Snakeskin” finish is obviously going to divide opinion. Personally, I like that it’s something different, but I know it won’t be for everyone. Whether you love it or hate it, it certainly stands out.
Are they the lightest 65mm wheels available? No. But coming in at just under 1,300g, I think that’s an impressive weight for a wheelset of this depth.
I’ll continue riding them over the coming weeks and update this thread once I’ve got a lot more miles on them, including some faster group rides and rougher roads.
If anyone is considering a set, I do have a discount code available just PM it’s also further back with some other.
If you local to Stevenage DM and you can come have a look!
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Thx for the first impressions! What are the internal width? EW ?
They look cool, but what is supposed to bring this new "texture"?
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Thx for the first impressions! What are the internal width? EW ?
They look cool, but what is supposed to bring this new "texture"?
I have a load of photos
New texture! ;D
Have a look at Scope Artech 6
https://www.scopecycling.com/product/artech-6/?srsltid=AfmBOopekGM0aka_GQcUrcSQ9OosZAF95NGlLkwK6w1ak6RAV7TfgXws
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Serenade were kind enough to send me a set of their new 65mm “Snakeskin” wheelset for review.
Full disclosure—they sent these to me free of charge, but the opinions below are entirely my own. In fact, I’d already been seriously considering buying a set because I thought they looked really interesting.
I’ve now got around 90km on them, so these are only first impressions rather than a full review.
Specification:
* 65mm front / rear
* 20/20 spoke count
* 3.9mm carbon spokes
* Claimed weight: 1,296g
I’m running Continental GP5000 30mm front and 32mm rear, which measure approximately 32mm and 34mm on these rims. The front tyre/rim transition works really well aerodynamically, while the rear is a little wider, which I don’t think is particularly important.
Initial impressions are very positive. They’re light for a 65mm wheelset, feel impressively stiff under power and have been very stable in crosswinds so far. No strange noises, no brake rub, and they’ve felt solid from the first ride.
The “Snakeskin” finish is obviously going to divide opinion. Personally, I like that it’s something different, but I know it won’t be for everyone. Whether you love it or hate it, it certainly stands out.
Are they the lightest 65mm wheels available? No. But coming in at just under 1,300g, I think that’s an impressive weight for a wheelset of this depth.
I’ll continue riding them over the coming weeks and update this thread once I’ve got a lot more miles on them, including some faster group rides and rougher roads.
If anyone is considering a set, I do have a discount code available just PM it’s also further back with some other.
If you local to Stevenage DM and you can come have a look!
Sent you a DM!
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Received my wheels today. Package was nice and secure, came with tubeless valves, 2 spare spokes and tubeless tape.
On my scale the weight was 1430g (-10g from their own spec sheet) before tape.
Total time:
Ordered on - 15.June
Shipped out on - 20. July (35 days)
Received on - 30. July (10 days)
As you can see the shipping took a lot longer than the initial promise of 15 days, additionally there was radio silence on their end over the delay - I had to be the one to provoke to get answers.
Other than that, initial impressions are very good and I got exactly what I was after. The delay to be honest was expected (seems to be the norm, rather than exception on this forum in general). Will keep this thread updated as time goes on and riding impressions.
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Purchased earlier this year, TRF60s with 278c hubs in titanium colour.
I had to change the front bearings immediately, but that was the only issue I experienced. Quite happy so far.
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Received my wheels today. Package was nice and secure, came with tubeless valves, 2 spare spokes and tubeless tape.
On my scale the weight was 1430g (-10g from their own spec sheet) before tape.
Total time:
Ordered on - 15.June
Shipped out on - 20. July (35 days)
Received on - 30. July (10 days)
As you can see the shipping took a lot longer than the initial promise of 15 days, additionally there was radio silence on their end over the delay - I had to be the one to provoke to get answers.
Other than that, initial impressions are very good and I got exactly what I was after. The delay to be honest was expected (seems to be the norm, rather than exception on this forum in general). Will keep this thread updated as time goes on and riding impressions.
Shipping times are generally estimates provided by the shipping company rather than the brand itself. Because they're estimates, there isn't technically a "delay" unless a guaranteed delivery date was agreed. That said, I do think some brands can be a little optimistic with the shipping times they advertise because shorter lead times help make a sale. In reality, they would be better off being more transparent from the outset and setting realistic expectations.
Once the wheels have been collected by the courier, the brand has very little control over the shipping process. Transit times can be affected by customs clearance, airline schedules, local distribution hubs and domestic carriers, all of which are outside the manufacturer's control and, in many cases, outside the shipping company's direct control as well.
That said, I do agree that communication is important. Even when the delay is outside their control, a quick update to explain what's happening goes a long way and prevents customers from having to chase for information themselves. A realistic estimate and proactive communication are usually appreciated far more than an overly optimistic delivery date.
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Shipping times are generally estimates provided by the shipping company rather than the brand itself. [...]
Don't get me wrong, I agree 100%, I've been dealing with Chinese stuff in general long enough to not be naive to this - or even mind it much. However I must point out that in this case, it was not the shipping that was delayed (Shipping was actually lightning fast and shorter than deadline), the delay and silence came from the assembly end - i.e the manufacturer. Again.. not a big deal, but if I was writing an honest review of experience, I had to include it.
So far ~500k done with them and very happy with the wheels themselves!
Edit: I do realize my wording on the original post was a bit clunky now; but I explained what I meant by delay in this post hopefully
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Don't get me wrong, I agree 100%, I've been dealing with Chinese stuff in general long enough to not be naive to this - or even mind it much. However I must point out that in this case, it was not the shipping that was delayed (Shipping was actually lightning fast and shorter than deadline), the delay and silence came from the assembly end - i.e the manufacturer. Again.. not a big deal, but if I was writing an honest review of experience, I had to include it.
So far ~500k done with them and very happy with the wheels themselves!
Edit: I do realize my wording on the original post was a bit clunky now; but I explained what I meant by delay in this post hopefully
No worries. There is sometimes a tendency for Chinese suppliers to go quiet, ignore messages, or only provide part of the story when something goes wrong or there are delays. Personally, I am very much of the opinion that any news is better than no news, whether it is good or bad.
The problem is that they often do not want to upset the customer, so they do not say anything, but in reality that usually has the opposite effect. Shipping and production times are estimates, and sometimes things take longer than expected due to unforeseen issues or delays.
In my opinion, it is always better to be honest and keep the customer informed. Most people are understanding if they know what is happening, but a lack of communication can be frustrating.
That said, I am pleased to hear the wheels have now covered around 500 km and that you are happy with them. That's the most important thing in the end.
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Well, it seems my rear SR278C hub is no exception when it comes to bearing issues - it developed a play. Has anyone here tried replacing the bearings themselves? Do I need any special tools?
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Well, it seems my rear SR278C hub is no exception when it comes to bearing issues - it developed a play. Has anyone here tried replacing the bearings themselves? Do I need any special tools?
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19PPaGCWWT/
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The video only shows how to install the ball bearings. But what about removing them?
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But what about removing them?
HAMMER TIME
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On which side of the hub is the ball bearing pushed out first? DT Swiss has a clear instruction. Why not use something like this: https://www.bearingprotools.com/collections/hub-bearing-tools
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I was gonna recommend the TAR50 but the bearing issue is kind of bummer :/
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What has the rim to do with the hub? Choose another hub and everything is fine.
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https://serenadebikes.com/product/25mm-inner-wide-carbon-spoke-wheelset-with-sr251c-hub/
I don’t see another option there but I may email them then
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Last year I communicated with Serenade over Whatsapp to have a set of MTB wheels with non-standard orange Koozer hubs built up, but those were with standard J bend spokes and I know carbon spokes can be somewhat nonstandard when it comes to hub compatibility. Let us know what they say. :)
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https://serenadebikes.com/product/25mm-inner-wide-carbon-spoke-wheelset-with-sr251c-hub/
I don’t see another option there but I may email them then
yes, contact them via email or whatsapp. nearly every config is possible. and you can use this code for discount: AQHVSJW8
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Got my new wheelset yesterday.
55mm height, TAR55WS, so 25mm internally. Ordered it with SR248 hub, Pillar 1420 spokes.
Wheels seem to be true, weight is 1370g, 30g lighter than expected. Got it without spoke holes, as i didn't state clearly I wanted it with, so my mistake, but not that big of a deal to me, unfortunately no drainage hole, should have stated this more clearly as well.
At first glance I thought I was nuts, but the spokes seemed to be wider than the Pillar1420 on my other wheelset, measured it, well yeah 2.2mm wide not 2.0mm wide, gave Serenade a short message, they explained they had no Pillar1420 in the correct length and "upgraded" my wheelset to Sapim CX Ray. I don't complain about that ;)
Unfortunately I need to spacer the brake disc at bit out, in comparison to my other wheelset and 0,4mm don't seem to be enough compared to the Goldix R180SL, so I've got to wait for the spacers.
Totally unrelated, on the front everything matched with my other wheelsets, but holy F why can't shimano build discs that don't need to be trued straight out of the box. Paying 40-60€ for a piece of aluminium and steel, just so I need to true it...
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I got around 2.500 km on a set of 50mm wheels with 20 carbon spokes (3.3mm) front and back.
They're the 23 internal/34 external rims with Conti GP 5000s in 32mm (Measuring just shy of 33mm on these rims).
With the SRC 278 hubs, I weighed the set at 1.250g.
It's my first carbon spoked wheel set. They are VERY stiff, which feels awesome during climbs and sprints. They also feel a lot harsher than my 60s with CX-Rays. But it's basically offset and comfy enough due to the wider tires and tpu tubes, I'm running on these.
Very happy with these. For the price, it's a no brainer as an all-round do-it-all wheel set on a road bike.