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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Velovelo on February 07, 2025, 09:23:03 AM
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New Elves frame alert!
"Elves Falath EXP 2025"
Elves Bike Malaysia is calling for bookings on their social media.
It is not on the websites yet. I wonder if they'll sell this globally with these ongoing trade wars.
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Well thats one way to do the seatpost i guess...
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I truly hope it's not going to become a new trend after y1rs
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Hmm, very Madone-esque looking frame. Is it just me or is the wheelbase really short?
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God why can't these companies just do their work and design a good frame? Why is it only possible to make crap or a gimmick. Come on man, it can't be that hard
the sides of the hole aren't even parallel to the direction of travel
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I think AI could do much better:D
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Perhaps I'm in a small minority in liking different designs. Moving from a 3T Strada, to the Elves Falath Evo, and now sourcing the final parts for a Tideace CR068. The designs may be gimmicky but for those wishing for a more 'normal' design, there are hundreds of options out there.
The seatpost hole in the Madone doesn't seem to have delivered aero benefits and it's early yet to know if the Y1RS delivers any improvements but at least it's interesting after a few years where the big brands pushed out one frame as better at everything, it's nice to see some variation, in my opinion.
Btw...I love the short wheelbase (especially the rear triangle) if this were true. Reminds me of my early fag paper Dave Russell. However need to look at the geometry charts as I think the graphics might be just that. Some of the pictures of the Falath Evo showed a shorter rear triangle than the reality (my Falath Evo can fit sensible gravel tyres!)
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terrible :-\
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This may be one of the ugliest frames I have seen ;D To each their own though
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I actually think it looks pretty sick minus that massive hole in the seat tube
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
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I wonder if it has super weird geometry like most Elves frames. :)
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
Simply good bikes without glaring issues would be a start.
I don't see much innovation in this bike. Seka Spear is innovative in terms of design features that actually improve the performance of the bike and a more relaxed geometry for a more average rider who still wants a 'racing' bike.
Just rapidly churning out ideas without following through and ensuring the implementation is actually a net positive isn't innovation, it's gimmickry.
Take the Tideace FM-CR068, f.e.: It's an absolutely terrific design, and I would've genuinely put it in league with big western designs and bough one myself, if not for one thing: the mess that is the rear end. Putting the fixed 73° seat angle aside, the whole mess they made to have that Lapierre, Madone, whatevere-else-esque design does nothing but add weight, demolish aerodynamics and incerease complexity and likelihood of failure.
I actually don't mind the hole as much as I mind the poor implementation of it.
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Well that's another clown car from Elves. All the bad parts of various big brand bikes, cobbled together into one package.
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If we are sick of Chinese and Western brands producing SL7 and Scott Foil clones, what exactly are we looking for in terms of innovation?
Giant TCR/Scott Addict/Factor O2 VAM clones with round seatposts.
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Not a fan of the bussy. I wonder if this comes to western markets I imagine it will be more expensive than the current Falath and that’s getting into winspace C5 aero territory which I can’t see it competing well against.
I really wanted to go Elves on my build but the Falath Evo seemed like a weak evelution against the Falath Pro. They just seem a couple years behind at the moment.
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Not a fan of the bussy.
Don't knock it til you try it
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Don't knock it til you try it
Legitimately laughed out loud when I first read his original post. Glad I'm not the only who thinks like this. #nodiddy
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Maybe it'll look a bit better in less tiny sizes. It looks like a 44 or 46.
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Looks like a really bad mash-up between the new Colnago and the Madone rear hole.
I kinda liked the previous Falath Evo, had they just reduced the distance between the wheels and the frame a bit more and gotten the weight down a bit it would have been a fine aero bike. Then again, Elves sales are imo mostly carried by their fancy paintjobs.
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Elves is making bikes for the TikTok generation lol
When these kids come of age they are gonna ride colorful Elves bikes with abnormal designs with no nostalgic feel to the frame designs etc.
There is a market for what Elves is trying to do. That's what really matters these days. Know, make and sell to your target market.
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Elves is making bikes for the TikTok generation lol
When these kids come of age they are gonna ride colorful Elves bikes with abnormal designs with no nostalgic feel to the frame designs etc.
There is a market for what Elves is trying to do. That's what really matters these days. Know, make and sell to your target market.
I totally agree, it's just that they only would have needed to make minimal modifications (front wheel closer to the downtube, super deep steering tube and deeper, more U-shaped fork) to make their previous aerobike legit good. But yeah, they are clearly a style over substance brand who sell stuff via their nice looking paintjobs and the Tolkien "inspired" names (how they still haven't gotten in legal trouble for it at least in the UK is surprising to me).
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These guys still don’t know how to design a headtube, huh. Always busting out “aero” bikes with nearly unfaired headtubes the diameter of a coke can.
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Why is there such a disconnect between the factories who produce for large western brands, versus their own in-house brands? You'd think the folks working on these projects would be taking notes.
-Their frame designs are terrible
-Branding is awful
-Brand name is horrendous
-Paint color palette decisions are questionable at best
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Looks like a really bad mash-up between the new Colnago and the Madone rear hole.
I kinda liked the previous Falath Evo, had they just reduced the distance between the wheels and the frame a bit more and gotten the weight down a bit it would have been a fine aero bike. Then again, Elves sales are imo mostly carried by their fancy paintjobs.
Let's not act like Colnago totally didn't rip the design off from 2 of their competitors.
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What did they rip off? Bayonet forks aren't that unique anymore, and imo, that Colnago is the best execution of one on a road bike. The seattube design concept was done before, somewhat, on a steel bike, but Colnago put massively more thought into it.
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What did they rip off? Bayonet forks aren't that unique anymore, and imo, that Colnago is the best execution of one on a road bike. The seattube design concept was done before, somewhat, on a steel bike, but Colnago put massively more thought into it.
Cervelo S5 and TT version of BMC Timemachine
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Why is there such a disconnect between the factories who produce for large western brands, versus their own in-house brands? You'd think the folks working on these projects would be taking notes.
-Their frame designs are terrible
-Branding is awful
-Brand name is horrendous
-Paint color palette decisions are questionable at best
I often wonder about this, because this is true across entire Asian producers (probably besides Winspace and SEKA). You would expect that at the very least, they could hire someone who could pull decent marketing off. Is this a cultural thing? Are we, the western audience, conditioned to to expect impeccable marketing?
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Cervelo S5 and TT version of BMC Timemachine
S5 wasn't even the first road bike to use a bayonet fork, it was Factor. And just about every serious TT bike nowadays has a bayonet fork, why is it a ripoff to bring it to a road bike?
BMC, sure I guess, but they use it more to bring the seatpost forward after fairing the tyre with the seattube, Colnago did it so they can give the seatmast a slacker angle to increase deflection, otherwise they could have just done the same rear end as the foil, S5, etc.
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Did you guys see the recent wind tunnel tests on Cyclingnews? The article is behind a paywall, but in short the Elves didn't do so great without a rider, but was sort of middle of the pack with a rider on. We can argue about the validity of the tests (especially with a rider on), but mainly I was surprised to see a brand like Elves being included in the test.
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Totally disagree, I have Falath EXP, this is my second bike, I have one lightweight and I decide that I also should have an aero bike. The look is rather very subjective. For some people could be nice, for other ugly. I would say that I saw many uglier....for me it's the pure beast, and I love it. I have it since may/june. Bike is very stiff, fast and of course on live, looks amazing. Previously I have Elves Falath Evo, but I prefer EXP geo. Funny is that you are complaining about the names, designs, but when I wait for my colleagues or at the coffee shop, a lot of people ask about the bike. They are rather impressed with the weigh and the look. The same story with Avenger Shuttle SL. It should be noted that those persons many times have twice or even triple the value for the bike (on Trek or Spec). When I had some western brands, that never happened in the past!
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Looks great and fast! Love the champagne colour, what colour code did you request for that?
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I regret a bit that I didn't choose one of my own, which is a great advantage of Elves. However, I have choosen one of their standard paining, it is called "Champagne Golden & Chameleon Red Black". The frame looks very nice in the full sun. I'm very satisfied with the bike, going really fast, even riding up wind. Moreover, I will do my own tests, as I saw some on the web. I will compare my Avenger Shuttle SL, so rather all rounder with that aero beast.
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A lot of borderline hate here for a bike that I'm presuming most haven't ridden. Any reviews I'v seen by anyone thats actually ridden one are mostly positive - with the main complaint being a bit unsteady in crosswinds (which I guess could be wheels as much as anything else). But straight line speed, descending ability and general aero perfomance is highly regarded. And some have problems getting on with the geometry which will always be a rider by rider issue anyway.
And it does pretty well in a recent Aero Tunnel test by cyclingnews along side the big boys costing many many thousands more.
And Cade Media seemed pretty impressed by it as well. A fair and honest review on their YT channel which they followed up on their podcast to clarify some things, which actually was just more positive points they wished they included in the YT vid.
Looks are also very subjective - I personally think it looks fantastic, love the many colour options and the fact you can order wheels color coded to the frame as well at no extra cost. All in all its insane value - at that price point I'm not bothered or going to complain if they aren't innovating the latest trends themselves and are just catching the coattails of something thats gone before. Afterall we are on a forum called Chinertown ;D
This one has my attention at the moment and might be perfect for a challenge I'm doing next year. More local distributors is kinda handy as well, and a 5 year frame warranty, free delivery and no import taxs, hiddens etc.
Will be following this thread for more owners thoughts.
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Any reviews I'v seen by anyone thats actually ridden one are mostly positive
Have you seen a lot of owners? I wanted a Elves Falath Evo+ for myself but I cant find that many people, only those youtubers that we can never fully trust, however, I saw a video from hambini saying they where not that good and I am a step behind now, just wanted to hear more in depth reviews about this brand and what they offer without the money talking