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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: TurboKlemi on November 05, 2025, 02:31:27 PM
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Panda Podium is selling this insane frameset: https://www.pandapodium.cc/product/incolor-voyager/?srsltid=AfmBOoqp7AG9WKVY_z2A8vzz3He3fCC0SCkbLQ0vXAqiTWXP4vZXxECN
(https://i.postimg.cc/nhLHwxmf/VOYAGER-dou-shi-CITY.png)
I think this frame competes with endurance bikes (LCR018-D, Elves Eglath, Carbonda CFR-505 SL) rather than gravel bikes because it has all-road geometry (shorter wheelbase). I have never seen a bike with 45mm tyre clearance and 415mm chainstays :o My endurance bike has 415mm chainstays with 35mm max tyres. They really put some effort into designing this.
-1700USD is a reasonable price for a frameset that weighs 850g (size54, unpainted)
-27.2mm seatpost, UDH hanger, T47 bb
-handlebar has a 20mm rise so stack numbers are higher
-max 1by chainring: 50t (good luck going 2by road groupset for tyres larger than ~36mm)
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I bought this frame in size 51 with the same paint color from https://underdogscycling.cc/ (https://underdogscycling.cc/) (amazing service and communication by the way), and received it last week. I might be one of the first people to get one!
The frame, painted and fitted with bolts but without any accessories (UDH mount, front derailleur mount, etc.), weighs 952 grams.
I haven’t had the chance to build it yet, but I have to say, Incolor is on another level. From the way they packaged the frame to the included accessories, manuals, frame quality, and attention to every little detail, it’s all excellent. It honestly makes me want to buy their road frame next, now that I’ve seen how good their quality is.
For reference, I’ve also bought the Lightcarbon LCR018-D, LT GV201, and Spcycle G058. Don’t get me wrong, the LCR018 was great quality (though I haven’t finished that build yet), but Incolor’s attention to detail really sets it apart from the others.
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Geometry is pretty much identical to my Factor LS gravel bike. (only it has 5mm longer chainstays and 42mm tire clearance) It rides very very much like a road bike with 28mm road tires!
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The frame has very nice specs. Only their geometry is not in line with the bike's purpose. For both gravel and allroad they should have added 10 to 20mm stack.
Pricing is ok, but as you mentioned, there are some cheaper options for similar specs. That's a comment for all the PandaPodium frames.
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No, this bike's stack and reach are where they should be for an all-road bike, at least for the sizes 51 and 54, which are going to be the majority of sales in the Chinese market. Look how short the reaches are, and consider that the stock headset cover for internal routing is ~10mm.
If you are complaining about a whole genre of something, saying they are all wrong, the chances are you want something specific and different.
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Agree. If you need 10-20mm more stack, then use spacers. For the category bike this looks spot on.
(Im using my LS slammed with a -17 degree 120 stem. 5mm lower like the Voyager would be nice. )
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No, this bike's stack and reach are where they should be for an all-road bike, at least for the sizes 51 and 54, which are going to be the majority of sales in the Chinese market. Look how short the reaches are, and consider that the stock headset cover for internal routing is ~10mm.
If you are complaining about a whole genre of something, saying they are all wrong, the chances are you want something specific and different.
True, when I look at it and it literally says its a gravel bike, I look for what a gravel bike should do. I find it strange you place it in the all-road segment, because this bike isn't. That's their Incolor Intropy Speedster SR plus with 38C tire clearance.
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True, when I look at it and it literally says its a gravel bike, I look for what a gravel bike should do. I find it strange you place it in the all-road segment, because this bike isn't. That's their Incolor Intropy Speedster SR plus with 38C tire clearance.
IDK, i was just going off of what the OP listed the bike as. All road and gravel as segments are really varied and aren't clearly defined.
Regardless, there are Chinese bikes with monster clearance, slack HTA, and massive stacks. There are also western bikes like the Crux, Kaius, and others that are more aggressive in terms of stack and reach than this one. This is on the racier side of the spectrum for whatever you call a bike designed for mixed surface racing. This also aligns with Incolor's performance-oriented brand positioning.
Making a categorical statement as your main critique is neither helpful nor topical. You can literally go find a different bike that works for you, since there are many.
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True, when I look at it and it literally says its a gravel bike, I look for what a gravel bike should do. I find it strange you place it in the all-road segment, because this bike isn't. That's their Incolor Intropy Speedster SR plus with 38C tire clearance.
I don't think you are the one who decides what a real gravel bike is. It's like saying xc MTB bike is not real mountain bike because it doesn't have a geometry of w downhill bike.
I think this gravel bike from incolor is great, because many roadies want a fast and lively gravel bike on which they can replicate their position from a road bike. What incolor achieved here is great imo, 45c with 415 chainstay is something many are looking for. Just from looking at the Geo I can tell you this will be a fun bike to ride.
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Shame the graphics and colour schemes are so awful.
The specs are great but I just couldn’t live with how they look. If they ever did a custom option with no decals, I’d probably buy one.
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Silly question, because I'm too lazy to do research.
Any gravel frames out there that are similar to the ENVE Mog? The TanTan GR201 is similar but more aggressive geo.
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If they ever did a custom option with no decals, I’d probably buy one.
My understanding is that Incolor is very flexible on making custom paint jobs, and that they are quite good at it also.
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My understanding is that Incolor is very flexible on making custom paint jobs, and that they are quite good at it also.
Really, that’s interesting 🤔
Heading off to check that out
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If you can fit on an XS or S sized frame, Time ADHX 45 frameset is not all that much more at $2K.
https://www.timebicycles.com/en-us/products/adhx-45-frameset?variant=42462827020479 (https://www.timebicycles.com/en-us/products/adhx-45-frameset?variant=42462827020479)
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Just wish they had a bigger size. Like a 59 or 60. Would be perfect otherwise but the 57 is just too small.
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Here are a few pictures of my frame. Like I mentioned before, the quality is excellent and the attention to detail is everywhere. The Incolor branding appears on all the bolts, the headset cap and spacers, the thru-axles, and the seatpost clamp, details you don’t even see on many higher-end brands.
At least in my opinion, this is when you can tell they really care about producing a quality product.
As far as I can tell, the paint is perfect and all the surfaces are properly faced.
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The frameset is available at a considerably lower price on Taobao ~ 1000USD without handlebars, or about 1150 with..Shipping for my location(Malaysia) is about 70USD.
I just pulled the trigger, hopefully it goes smoothly. Planning to build it up as a touring bike.
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The frameset is available at a considerably lower price on Taobao ~ 1000USD without handlebars, or about 1150 with..Shipping for my location(Malaysia) is about 70USD.
I just pulled the trigger, hopefully it goes smoothly. Planning to build it up as a touring bike.
Do you have a link?
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You can contact them WeChat: Incolor8.
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Here are a few pictures of my frame. Like I mentioned before, the quality is excellent and the attention to detail is everywhere. The Incolor branding appears on all the bolts, the headset cap and spacers, the thru-axles, and the seatpost clamp, details you don’t even see on many higher-end brands.
At least in my opinion, this is when you can tell they really care about producing a quality product.
As far as I can tell, the paint is perfect and all the surfaces are properly faced.
we should not compare Incolor with the likes or tantan, longteng and the other small factories in guangzhou. Incolor is in the same league with Seka, Evolve and quickpro etc.. just look at their packaging. here's a built video of the frame. such quality for 7800 rmb (inclusive of bar stem) is a steal, the 45mm tire clearance should not even be a drawback, Specialized Daddy Merida put out a "race gravel bike" recently that only clears 40mm tires and got the shills on youtube to change the narrative" oh yeah you don't really need those MTB tires, this is a RACE GRAVEL BIKE!"
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1v3b3z1EH3
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BP4JziENT
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Q7mQBUEDz
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Do you have a link?
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?abbucket=18&id=943286238552&mi_id=0000ti09m-O224X-d8B4l0C7y-u1RJH7OtwV4q3sU9sCykA&ns=1&priceTId=21016c1a17670280002391936e08c7&skuId=5847659621329&spm=a21n57.1.hoverItem.5&utparam=%7B%22aplus_abtest%22%3A%22097a89a934d14b07c38a9ce558efd55c%22%7D&xxc=taobaoSearch
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we should not compare Incolor with the likes or tantan, longteng and the other small factories in guangzhou. Incolor is in the same league with Seka, Evolve and quickpro etc.. just look at their packaging. here's a built video of the frame. such quality for 7500 rmb (inclusive of bar stem) is a steal, the 45mm tire clearance should not even be a drawback, Specialized Daddy Merida put out a "race gravel bike" recently that only clears 40mm tires and got the shills on youtube to change the narrative" oh yeah you don't really need those MTB tires, this is a RACE GRAVEL BIKE!"
Where on earth can I find the Incolor Voyager for 7500 RMB? 🤔
No matter where I look as a European, I can't find it for less than 1600 USD. 🙁
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Where on earth can I find the Incolor Voyager for 7500 RMB? 🤔
No matter where I look as a European, I can't find it for less than 1600 USD. 🙁
Check the link above. I too am interested in this frame. Looks like it would make a good all-road/gravel bike with 1x13.
You have to get on Taobao to find the price. Difficult to navigate since its all in Chinese (just google the work arounds).
Probably quicker and easier to contact Incolor on Wechat… might get the same or similar price.
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Where on earth can I find the Incolor Voyager for 7500 RMB? 🤔
No matter where I look as a European, I can't find it for less than 1600 USD. 🙁
my bad it's 7800 rmb. i guess that was the early release price on TB when i saw it a month or so back
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Check the link above. I too am interested in this frame. Looks like it would make a good all-road/gravel bike with 1x13.
You have to get on Taobao to find the price. Difficult to navigate since its all in Chinese (just google the work arounds).
Probably quicker and easier to contact Incolor on Wechat… might get the same or similar price.
As far as I know, Taobao doesn't ship to Europe anyway, so I guess I can save myself the trouble of looking there 🙄
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I bought this frame in size 51 with the same paint color from https://underdogscycling.cc/ (https://underdogscycling.cc/) (amazing service and communication by the way), and received it last week. I might be one of the first people to get one!
The frame, painted and fitted with bolts but without any accessories (UDH mount, front derailleur mount, etc.), weighs 952 grams.
I haven’t had the chance to build it yet, but I have to say, Incolor is on another level. From the way they packaged the frame to the included accessories, manuals, frame quality, and attention to every little detail, it’s all excellent. It honestly makes me want to buy their road frame next, now that I’ve seen how good their quality is.
For reference, I’ve also bought the Lightcarbon LCR018-D, LT GV201, and Spcycle G058. Don’t get me wrong, the LCR018 was great quality (though I haven’t finished that build yet), but Incolor’s attention to detail really sets it apart from the others.
Could you please tell me your measurements and why you chose size 51? And do you have any pictures of your fully assembled bike?
I just built up a LightCarbon in size 50, but I've somehow fallen in love with the Incolor frame and am now considering selling the LCR018 again 😬
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I'm intrigued by this frameset in 57. I don't like the available paint jobs and price. What are the other brands/names this same frameset might be sold as?
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Could you please tell me your measurements and why you chose size 51? And do you have any pictures of your fully assembled bike?
I just built up a LightCarbon in size 50, but I've somehow fallen in love with the Incolor frame and am now considering selling the LCR018 again 😬
I’m 1.69 m tall, and my saddle height (bottom bracket to top of saddle) is about 69.5 cm. I chose the 51 primarily because I wanted a good amount of seatpost exposed without needing an excessive stack of spacers under the stem.
I’ve just finished building the bike and haven’t ridden it yet (it’s winter here), but based on setup I expect to run around 10–20 mm of spacers and a 90mm stem, which I’m perfectly fine with. (picture below I have it with 25mm of spacers).
For reference, I also bought a Lightcarbon LRC018-D in size 52. That frame fits me perfectly: plenty of seatpost showing, and I’ll likely end up with 0–10 mm of spacers. I haven’t ridden that one yet either, as I’m still in the process of building it.
So far, I absolutely love the Incolor Voyeger. The build was completely hassle-free, and as I mentioned before, the attention to detail is top-notch. Honestly, it makes me want to sell my current road bike (a Trek Madone SLR Gen 6) and replace it with an Incolor Intropy :-X.
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I’m 1.69 m tall, and my saddle height (bottom bracket to top of saddle) is about 69.5 cm. I chose the 51 primarily because I wanted a good amount of seatpost exposed without needing an excessive stack of spacers under the stem.
I’ve just finished building the bike and haven’t ridden it yet (it’s winter here), but based on setup I expect to run around 10–20 mm of spacers and a 90mm stem, which I’m perfectly fine with. (picture below I have it with 25mm of spacers).
For reference, I also bought a Lightcarbon LRC018-D in size 52. That frame fits me perfectly: plenty of seatpost showing, and I’ll likely end up with 0–10 mm of spacers. I haven’t ridden that one yet either, as I’m still in the process of building it.
So far, I absolutely love the Incolor Voyeger. The build was completely hassle-free, and as I mentioned before, the attention to detail is top-notch. Honestly, it makes me want to sell my current road bike (a Trek Madone SLR Gen 6) and replace it with an Incolor Intropy :-X.
Crazy, and even with the Hutchinson Characal Race wheels, just like I would with that frame build 👌 What kind of wheels did you install?
And the saddle in the picture is also set to a 69cm saddle height?
And you're managing with the standover height on a size 51?
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Damnit, I’m sold on this frame now… nice looking build.
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Crazy, and even with the Hutchinson Characal Race wheels, just like I would with that frame build 👌 What kind of wheels did you install?
And the saddle in the picture is also set to a 69cm saddle height?
And you're managing with the standover height on a size 51?
Saddle height in the pics is 69.5 cm. No standover issues at all, plenty of room for me.
Wheels are DFS wide gravel wheels, 32 mm internal / 39 mm external, 44 mm deep.
That’s right! Rear tire is a Hutchinson Caracal Race 40 mm, which measures 43.6 mm on these rims. Up front I’m running an ENVE Hex 44 mm, measuring 45.6 mm.
As for clearance, I’d say the claimed 45 mm max tire is spot on. With this setup there’s roughly 5 mm per side at the rear. The front has more room overall and still about 5 mm of clearance, so no concerns there.
This is pretty much perfect for the kind of riding I built this bike for.
If anyone is wondering, total weight as pictured comes in at about 7.5 kg on my floor scale.
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Incolor contacted me through Taobao after I placed the order. Communication was a little hit or miss with the Taobao website auto translate. Order had to be cancelled : Essentially it boiled down to the frame box exceeding the allowable Taobao standard shipping option, hence I was refunded. The good news was that Incolor got a their local distributor a LBS in Kuala Lumpur (Max bikes) to contact me and offer the same price. I pulled the trigger - local warranty ! ETA sometime next week hopefully.
Taobao have updated their add to Local only - unless you have a china shipping agent ( that option is available in many Asian countries)
I'll post pics / weights on arrival
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Saddle height in the pics is 69.5 cm. No standover issues at all, plenty of room for me.
Wheels are DFS wide gravel wheels, 32 mm internal / 39 mm external, 44 mm deep.
That’s right! Rear tire is a Hutchinson Caracal Race 40 mm, which measures 43.6 mm on these rims. Up front I’m running an ENVE Hex 44 mm, measuring 45.6 mm.
As for clearance, I’d say the claimed 45 mm max tire is spot on. With this setup there’s roughly 5 mm per side at the rear. The front has more room overall and still about 5 mm of clearance, so no concerns there.
This is pretty much perfect for the kind of riding I built this bike for.
If anyone is wondering, total weight as pictured comes in at about 7.5 kg on my floor scale.
Tell me, did you happen to weigh the frame and the attachments, i.e., the handlebars and fork?
I've searched everywhere on the web, but I can't find any information about it 😬
Is a cover for the front derailleur mount included, for when I don't want to use it?
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Tell me, did you happen to weigh the frame and the attachments, i.e., the handlebars and fork?
I've searched everywhere on the web, but I can't find any information about it 😬
Is a cover for the front derailleur mount included, for when I don't want to use it?
The frame, painted and fitted with bolts but without any accessories (UDH mount, front derailleur mount, etc.), weighs 952 grams.
I didn’t weigh anything else. There’s no cover for the front derailleur mount included.
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If one would be interested in ordering this frame and frame only (without handlebar, seatpost etc).
Either raw or custom painted
How to go about? Pandapodium doesnt offer customisation.... (Europe, Sweden)
Want to go as light as possible with high end parts
Also are there more info on weight, like frame and fork separate etc. Real weights and not "850 unpainted" because that rarely appear to be true
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If one would be interested in ordering this frame and frame only (without handlebar, seatpost etc).
Either raw or custom painted
How to go about? Pandapodium doesnt offer customisation.... (Europe, Sweden)
Want to go as light as possible with high end parts
Also are there more info on weight, like frame and fork separate etc. Real weights and not "850 unpainted" because that rarely appear to be true
Contact these guys
Super helpful will sort you out
https://underdogscycling.cc/product/incolor-voyager-frameset/
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now on the way from the local dealer, teaser phots from the shop
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Frameset arrived. Super happy with the quality. 950g 54cm frame with no hardware. Seatpost 150g.Fork 410 uncut
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It's very nice! I'm sorry, but unfortunately it has a too low stack for me. I'm 1.715m tall with a 70.5cm seat height, and for long days I prefer a 6cm seat-to-handlebar differential. On this frame, I'd have to add too many spacers to raise the steering.
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It's very nice! I'm sorry, but unfortunately it has a too low stack for me. I'm 1.715m tall with a 70.5cm seat height, and for long days I prefer a 6cm seat-to-handlebar differential. On this frame, I'd have to add too many spacers to raise the steering.
A simple solution for a higher stack. Get their +20 mm rise road handlebars, just like I did.
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I've gotten Incolor Voyager a while ago and I absolutely love it! It rides like a road bike even on a gravel roads, agility of this bike is insane. The whole build (yet to be completed) weights 7.7 kg, and I didn't use any lightweight dedicated components.
I've used road superteam wheelset with 21mm internal width and carbon spokes, which is good for my riding style and for the versatility, because I also change tires to Continental GP5000 28mm for pure road rides. For the gravel/mixed rides I use 45mm Hutchinson Caracal Race on these wheels and, without any doubt, they feel fantastic. Also they're the fastest gravel tires ^_^.
The biggest downside of this bike (for some people) is it's aggresive geometry, exactly the same as Evolve Cima road racing frame, so you may reconsider buying this frame if you can't stretch and ride long hours in agressive position.
I'm gonna put a new wireless LTWOO eGR groupset on my Voyager soon, I'm still waiting for it to arrive. For now I have LTWOO eR9 V1, which is... meh. I hope the new groupset will be better.
For those interested, here is the full spec list of my build:
Frame and Handlebar: Incolor Voyager Frameset with aerowav handlebars
Groupset: LTWOO eR9 -> LTWOO eGR
Crankset: Lexon 2025 carbon crankset with 48t Pass Quest chainring
Bottom Bracket: Kaktus T47A
Wheelset: Superteam All carbon ultra (50 mm Front & Rear)
Tires: Continental GP 5000 28mm/ Hutchinson Caracal Race 45mm
Tubes: RideNow TPU
Brake Discs: Chaser Sports 160mm disks
Saddle: Ryet copy of Specialized Romin 3d
Pedals: Magene P715K
Bar Tape: Motsuv 2.5mm -> Lizard Skins 2.5mm
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My Voyager is currently under construction. I opted for a fully custom version, including plugging all the holes I don’t need for the Sram AXS.
It will be fitted with a Sram RED XPLR 1x13 groupset this weekend. Estimated weight: 7.0 kg.
I love the design of this frame!
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My Voyager is currently under construction. I opted for a fully custom version, including plugging all the holes I don’t need for the Sram AXS.
It will be fitted with a Sram RED XPLR 1x13 groupset this weekend. Estimated weight: 7.0 kg.
I love the design of this frame!
It's a nice looking frame with even better components you have planned on putting
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Build is complete.
Bike weighs 6.93 kg in size S.
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Build is complete.
Bike weighs 6.93 kg in size S.
Wow, thats a really really nice bike! And very good weight for a gravelbike.
What seatpost is that? Round to aero - very nice!
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GANNA Aero Fin
https://www.ganna.top/goods/2044335528656011265
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Following up on this thread. Like the idea of having a bike that can fit narrower gravel tires and wider road slicks. Fully intend to race crits on it tho and will definitely lean as more road oriented bike. Who has it and how do you like it? Mostly concerned about handling/agility on the road.
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Build is complete.
Bike weighs 6.93 kg in size S.
Really cool build 👌
…what wheels did you use?
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These are EIE CARBON wheels. The company’s co-owner Pretty is a good friend of mine. Specifically, they feature the specifications like a Zipp XPLR model: 55 mm height, 32 mm inner width, and 38 mm outer width.
Carbon spokes bring the wheels’ total weight to 1270 g.
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Build is complete.
are you riding with gravel handlebar ? on road too ? how do you feel your bike on the road ?
thanks
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These are Incolor AEROWAV road handlebars.
The bike is incredibly agile and fast on the road. I’m achieving the same average speeds as on my DE ROSA 70 road bike with 30 mm tires.
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These are Incolor AEROWAV road handlebars.
The bike is incredibly agile and fast on the road. I’m achieving the same average speeds as on my DE ROSA 70 road bike with 30 mm tires.
Where did you buy the frame and what did you pay? How was the process in regards to custom paintjob? Is the logo a sticker or paint?
Thx
Alex
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These are Incolor AEROWAV road handlebars.
The bike is incredibly agile and fast on the road. I’m achieving the same average speeds as on my DE ROSA 70 road bike with 30 mm tires.
that's an awesome build! how's the comfort, and the stiffness when climbing? and sprinting?
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Build is complete.
Bike weighs 6.93 kg in size S.
What does size S mean in your case? 🤔
I only know the Voyager in sizes 46, 48, 51, and so on 😬
Could you tell me which size you have and how tall you are?
And if you happen to have a frame size of 51, could you please measure the length of the seat tube? I’d like to enter the data into Bike-States 😄
Thank‘s man 😊