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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: Tpower59 on August 14, 2026, 01:54:58 PM
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(https://www.icanbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Racing-Aero-Full-Carbon-Road-Frame-T47-BB-UDH-ICAN-A54-01.avif)
Did anyone heard about this model ?
Webpage seems to be online only since August 10
https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/racing-aero-full-carbon-road-frameset-udh-ican-a54/# (https://www.icanbikes.com/Products-list/racing-aero-full-carbon-road-frameset-udh-ican-a54/#)
- 35 mm clearance
- UDH
- T47 BB
- FSA ACR 1.5" headset
(https://www.icanbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Racing-Aero-Full-Carbon-Road-Frame-T47-BB-UDH-ICAN-A54-11.avif)
Geometry :
| SIZE | TTL | STL | STA | HTL | HTA | RC | BBH | FL | FR | FC | REACH | STACK | WB |
| XS | 531 | 447.8 | 74.5° | 100 | 71° | 415 | 70 | 374 | 45 | 571 | 388 | 511 | 991.2 |
| S | 541 | 497.8 | 74° | 120 | 72° | 415 | 70 | 374 | 45 | 581 | 389 | 527 | 994.2 |
| M | 551.3 | 517.8 | 73.5° | 140 | 72.5° | 415 | 70 | 374 | 45 | 591.1 | 389 | 548 | 995.9 |
| L | 561 | 537.8 | 73° | 160 | 73° | 415 | 70 | 374 | 45 | 601.1 | 394.5 | 568 | 1003.2 |
| XL | 571 | 550.8 | 72.5° | 180 | 73.5° | 415 | 70 | 374 | 45 | 610 | 400 | 589 | 1011.9 |
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Depending on the price, this looks like a good alternative to the lcr020.
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XS size REACH 388mm!?!? too insane
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Outdated STA especially in the larger sizes
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Seat tube angle doesn't really mean much with these partially rounded, partially straight tubes.
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Outdated STA especially in the larger sizes
I agree especially since I'll be looking at an XL, but a zero offset seatpost should remedy this.
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The overall design looks like an XM CarbonSpeed VRT but on peptides.
STA is indeed outdated. Even for someone like myself whose been gradually moving my saddle forward.
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with this "S5" seat tube style, real world STA is maybe about 1-2° steeper then geo chart would suggest, depending on size and seat height.
So I would say even thou STA looks slack compare to normal bikes in reality STA would be much steeper than standard.
I would say this ICAN, XMCS VRT and light carbon LCR020 will have STA much steaper that geo chart would suggest.
I just tried to put geo reference picture to Fusion 360 and tried to align it. This is real STA that came out compare to geo chart in size M.
If someone have experience with this please pitch in If Iam wrong about this, I have never own this kind of geo on a bike, Iam just coming from my basic geometry knowledge :).
So every other bike that has two geo chart seat tube lines and seat tube does not come directly from bb center will be like this, STA much steeper than geo chart. Just another thing to be aware of when choosing a bike :)
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Ahh so Yishun R033D. And as I've said on Yishun r033D thread, it's the same geometry as Scott Foil RC
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Any infos on pricing and availability? I just sent a message but probably will take some time untilthey get back to me with specs and all the info
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First of all, lol @ this frame. Not because it's bad, but because it's just kind of funny at how unoriginal these companies are getting. At least they are copying stuff we want.
I do feel like these offset seatpost frames require a rethink on how geometry is calculated. Most frames have a vertical BB offset. I think it's time to start counting horizontal BB offset from the seat post axis and rethinking stuff like STA, TTL, maybe even reach to be honest. Because where this geometry chart says your saddle is going to be and where it's actually gonna be are super different. I would not be surprised if we were talking about saddles being like 30-50mm more forward than the charts would indicate which obviously impacts fit, handling etc. Biggie is shortened effective reach. Other stuff like hip angle will be impacted too. So you would have to do another level of geometric analysis to truly transfer your fit 1:1. And it's possible the geometry of these offset seatpost frames will require a total rethink of fit.
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Price
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Price
Thanks for getting this info! Where did you get in contact with them? I sent an inquiry on the website a few days ago and haven't gotten a response yet. Wouldn't be surprised if they're inundated though.
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Price
Another sales rep quoted me 730 USD....
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First of all, lol @ this frame. Not because it's bad, but because it's just kind of funny at how unoriginal these companies are getting. At least they are copying stuff we want.
I do feel like these offset seatpost frames require a rethink on how geometry is calculated. Most frames have a vertical BB offset. I think it's time to start counting horizontal BB offset from the seat post axis and rethinking stuff like STA, TTL, maybe even reach to be honest. Because where this geometry chart says your saddle is going to be and where it's actually gonna be are super different. I would not be surprised if we were talking about saddles being like 30-50mm more forward than the charts would indicate which obviously impacts fit, handling etc. Biggie is shortened effective reach. Other stuff like hip angle will be impacted too. So you would have to do another level of geometric analysis to truly transfer your fit 1:1. And it's possible the geometry of these offset seatpost frames will require a total rethink of fit.
True, although steeper STA should be accompanied with substantial increase in reach across all sizes to prevent sitting to far over handlebarsand excessive load on arms. So far, progressive geometry is still (and probably will be) a very niche stuff.
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XS size REACH 388mm!?!? too insane
And then stop at 400 mm in XL?!
For a tall guy with a long torso it started out great and then ending 12 mm later (there is potentially a bad joke there somewhere..).
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In terms of frame design, it reminds me a lot of the Berria Belodor: "slender" aerodynamic design.
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In terms of frame design, it reminds me a lot of the Berria Belodor: "slender" aerodynamic design.
Made by Mondince/TideAce by their lay up infographic on their site, by the looks of it.
To me it looks like a scott foil on a diet, just like many more. LCR020 look like Scott foil with slimmer rear end 35c clearance
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Made by Mondince/TideAce by their lay up infographic on their site, by the looks of it.
To me it looks like a scott foil on a diet, just like many more. LCR020 look like Scott foil with slimmer rear end 35c clearance
Haha just noticed this one hour ago
The blue and yellow render is exactly the same as Mondince one for the FM126
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Haha just noticed this one hour ago
The blue and yellow render is exactly the same as Mondince one for the FM126
Sorry, but where can I find the Mondince render you're referring to?
Thanks
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Here's a PDF I got from sales (melody@icanbikes.com). I was quoted "A54 ,USD730/set ,frame, fork, headset ,seatpost"
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Here's a PDF I got from sales (melody@icanbikes.com). I was quoted "A54 ,USD730/set ,frame, fork, headset ,seatpost"
I like the gravel tires in the pictures ;D
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True, although steeper STA should be accompanied with substantial increase in reach across all sizes to prevent sitting to far over handlebarsand excessive load on arms. So far, progressive geometry is still (and probably will be) a very niche stuff.
Now I'm really confused. The forward offset BB basically acts like a huge seatpost setback, which runs counter to the progressive geometry ideal. I need to think about this. I might draw something up in fusion
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I got a quote today at 730 as well. I will probably get one of those as it seems to be a cheaper version of the XMCS. geometry seems good enough for me and they said that they are available for immediate shipping.
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I got a quote today at 730 as well. I will probably get one of those as it seems to be a cheaper version of the XMCS. geometry seems good enough for me and they said that they are available for immediate shipping.
Not in big sizes (XL)
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Not in big sizes (XL)
That sucks. I'm jumping off this aero hype train. As much as I don't like buying "copy" or "inspired by" frames, it looks like the new tt-x68 is the front runner for me at the moment.
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I'm gonna dump some of my confusion onto this thread and hope somebody can figure this out for me ;D
I asked Melody what the actual clearance on the rear is, knowing that 35mm is stated. She replied: "Check our geometric charts ,when tire 35mm ,8.2mm spacer for each side
We do not advise 37mm ,but you could try ?"
She sent this message with the following PDF attached, which shows a 40mm tire on the front and rear with 8.2mm and 6.2mm clearance on either side, respectively.
...what?
EDIT: She just got back to me: "Sorry ,forgot to update the geometric charts ,the real max tire 35mm we design
And 6mm also available,so we think 37mm tires works "
This is exciting to me. I'm likely going to order this frame as I'm looking to fit a 35mm measuring ~37mm on the back.
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This is the most interesting bike i've seen in a while. Reach could've have been a tiny bit longer, but overall, the geometry is very modern.
Weight is okay, tire clearance is very good, optic is great.
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I was advised that XL will be available in Oct.
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I was advised that XL will be available in Oct.
Ready for next season
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$625 without handlebar. Crystal couldn't give me a lead time today, but i'm ordering one as well if its not weeks out.
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Their available handlebar options are not great (max stem 110mm, minimum width 40cm). What other handlebars would you guys consider running?
I'm trying to get 130mm/36cm ideally with some flare.
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Their available handlebar options are not great (max stem 110mm, minimum width 40cm). What other handlebars would you guys consider running?
I'm trying to get 130mm/36cm ideally with some flare.
I just received my new Graro gravel frame from ICAN. And yes, the available handlebar sizes are absolutely atrocious. I'm gonna have to get creative and use my own separate handlebar stem combo.
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Crystal wrote lead time is about two months.
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Crystal wrote lead time is about two months.
For XL or one of the other sizes?
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size M
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Their available handlebar options are not great (max stem 110mm, minimum width 40cm). What other handlebars would you guys consider running?
I'm trying to get 130mm/36cm ideally with some flare.
Careful as some measure in the drops and some on the tops, same thing with the stem measuring. Best to ask for cut sheet.
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I tried to overlay ICAN A54 againts Speeder SC-R55D and it seems that A54 seatpost is much more forward even if stated STA is only 73 vs. 73.5 on SC-R55D
What would be your estimates on "actual" STA on A54?
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AP1GczPlDCw-ChU1Mqx_lxiagms8idrmeJMbayYWklhulnt3FsnzdXOxU6UfAYX5m4QYq_1fg64nE4aEToAZbHZcbrY_moExXv0CiynKIvzh0KBb8W1KS_vaNTiJP5E_kMNi1zKdV2afp0hDrZkUcCyqMMC3eg=w1299-h948-s-no-gm?authuser=0)
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I still can't get over the massively long reach. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind reach, still young and flexy enough to be comfortable... But the reach is so similar through all sizes, the small sizes seem ridicilously long. Are you guys just taller to get the bigger sizes and have a relatively normal reach? The reach is turning me off this bike
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I still can't get over the massively long reach. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind reach, still young and flexy enough to be comfortable... But the reach is so similar through all sizes, the small sizes seem ridicilously long. Are you guys just taller to get the bigger sizes and have a relatively normal reach? The reach is turning me off this bike
It looks like the true STA makes the reach a good bit shorter
Anyone looking at this frame is gonna need to find some kind of geometry tool to account for it to dial in fit.
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matqobee: Take a look at picture that I posted on page 1. I put bike geo chart to fusion f360 and tried to align it to real world measurements, it is not perfect but from my experience pretty close.
on size M from what is geo chart picture I calculated real STA 75.4°
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Does anybody with experience with ICAN custom painting know if this design would be too complex?
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Does anybody with experience with ICAN custom painting know if this design would be too complex?
The frame in the photo isn't the ICAN A54, though, right?
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Does anybody with experience with ICAN custom painting know if this design would be too complex?
i have custom paint without decals on my graro....was pretty happy with the result
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Does anybody with experience with ICAN custom painting know if this design would be too complex?
They can and will do anything as long as you are willing to pay for. Their paint quality is pretty good to be honest.
I am really struggling to see the reason for ppl to be going for these VERY aggressive frames. I mean for the pros, sure, but for the rest of us????
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The frame in the photo isn't the ICAN A54, though, right?
AI slop given my wheels and the frame shape
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They can and will do anything as long as you are willing to pay for. Their paint quality is pretty good to be honest.
I am really struggling to see the reason for ppl to be going for these VERY aggressive frames. I mean for the pros, sure, but for the rest of us????
I mean it's a pretty similar geo to any other race bike. Not sure who you're including in "rest of us"
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Going to preface this by saying I probably won't be getting this frame as I have the LTK266D-SL already as a test bike, and this bike doesn't do much that one can't other than be slightly more aero. This bike definitely needs the same kind of thread, though. As is, it looks like most people will need to convert to run a different bar/stem setup. There are also going to be a lot of challenges getting good info on tire clearance and saddle placement.
On the bar/stem front. This frame appears to use the "standard" 8.7mm bearing seat depth. This means that headset solutions from FSA, Deda, Token, Enve, Cane Creek, etc should all fit fine. Some of the lower-cost ICR headsets, like those from Neco, may not fit, as those use a 6mm depth. For bar compatibility, though, perhaps the more important thing is that it uses a circular headset cover, so the covers / c-rings that come with many bars are likely to fit and look good (not a comment on whether they are good quality or will work well).
As for geometry, the human body is complex, and there are definitely flat-back positions that work really well for people with good hip mobility but lower back issues. Those same people would find a more upright position to be uncomfortable. I think it's high time that we start to think about bike positions as requiring the right stack, not just higher or lower. That said, this specific sizing scheme is odd because it generally suggests that smaller riders rely on length to get the right back angle, while larger riders rely on drop. However, to counter the argument that people need more spacers, they then raised the stack, so the reach numbers get pulled in on the longer sizes while the wheelbase continues to grow.
I also question if this geometry chart is right; it looks like there are some reach/wheelbase numbers that would benefit from more scrutiny.
Overall, very interesting frame and I look forward to seeing some built up.
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AI slop given my wheels and the frame shape
Just as I imagined...I noticed several details that differ from the original ICAN A54 frame. ;)
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Placed an order last week. Should arrive end of Nov. Just in time for winter lol
Ordering process and customization was done via WhatsApp and received all the info I asked for and got help with pain customizing.
Will report back once I have something in my hands.
This is not the first time I was dealing with ICAN. Couple yeas back I got their 52mm wheelset and is still going strong.
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I also ordered this frame on Aug 27 in size L with custom painting. Total price was 1211 USD with shipping to USA:
Frame and handlebars: $730
Custom paint: $230
Shipping: $197
PayPal goods & services: $54
They told me 2-4 weeks for custom painting, so I’m just entering that window now.
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I am really struggling to see the reason for ppl to be going for these VERY aggressive frames. I mean for the pros, sure, but for the rest of us????
People are built differently.......... Im running a 140mm stem on a typical geometry 55cm frameset. Im 175cm with a ~185cm wingspan, so I need extra reach. Just comes down to what fit people need. I do feel like bike makers need to offer extra sizes, at least in that ~52-56cm range.
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I can't for the life of me understand why individuals get so wrapped in other folks' bike fit and frame selections. Especially if the rider hasn't expressed any discomfort or pain in their current setup.
There are just far too many variables from rider to rider to make such a blanket statement.
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Clearance is 35+6.2+6.2mm at the rear (and prob a tad more at the front). There was confusion, and there were mistakes in previous versions of the CAD design. The attached is as per Crystal, today.
So, 39+4.2+4.2
39.4+4+4 (ISO, afaik)
40+3.7+3.7
41+3.2+3.2
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Clearance is 35+6.2+6.2mm at the rear (and prob a tad more at the front). There was confusion, and there were mistakes in previous versions of the CAD design. The attached is as per Crystal, today.
So, 39+4.2+4.2
39.4+4+4 (ISO, afaik)
This is pretty great. There are a few brands, like 3T, that would advertise this as a 38 or 39mm clearance bike using tat ISO "racing bicycle" carve out of the standard.
Could you ask them if any of the other frame dimensions were updated? If so, also ask for an updated geo chart?
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Clearance is 35+6.2+6.2mm at the rear (and prob a tad more at the front). There was confusion, and there were mistakes in previous versions of the CAD design. The attached is as per Crystal, today.
So, 39+4.2+4.2
39.4+4+4 (ISO, afaik)
40+3.7+3.7
41+3.2+3.2
...
For your information, the clearance is the same for all the sizes.
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I can't for the life of me understand why individuals get so wrapped in other folks' bike fit and frame selections. Especially if the rider hasn't expressed any discomfort or pain in their current setup.
There are just far too many variables from rider to rider to make such a blanket statement.
Agreed and they ignore the STA. The Ridley Noah Fast has 399mm reach in XS but an STA of 76 degree. A steeper STA leads to the reach number getting higher without the effective reach getting longer.
And if you’ve long torso/short legs these ‘aggressive’ geometries aren’t aggressive.
Anyways will the eSTA seems to be quite high on this frame at least in S, the question is just how long you can extend the Seatpost
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i wrote my contact at ican "peggy" today. she said she cant offer me the frame cause its just for resellers. She answered i need to contact other persons. Which persons do you contact? And whats der mail/whatsapp whatever?
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i wrote my contact at ican "peggy" today. she said she cant offer me the frame cause its just for resellers. She answered i need to contact other persons. Which persons do you contact? And whats der mail/whatsapp whatever?
Peggy just pegged you.
Peggy the peg.
Pegging Peggy.
Was that helpful? No. I'm sorry.
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i wrote my contact at ican "peggy" today. she said she cant offer me the frame cause its just for resellers. She answered i need to contact other persons. Which persons do you contact? And whats der mail/whatsapp whatever?
Ask to Melody, She can sells you the frame.
I have no idea why They don't share the same speech.