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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: bigApple on September 16, 2026, 02:47:47 AM

Title: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: bigApple on September 16, 2026, 02:47:47 AM
Everyone is now competing in the All Out Aero road bike category  :D

But again... shitty seat tube angle.

https://www.yoeleobike.com/en-de/collections/carbon-road-frame/products/zen-rs-aero-light-road-frameset?srsltid=AU7gw4WsVLbHc42GkNGNqCTTOzPZ3Tr_eKNtsOv0fcnQWgeHrz13nby9

Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: pavlo.k on September 16, 2026, 03:24:25 AM
looks like argon nitrogen
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: PANW on September 16, 2026, 03:53:37 AM
3k USD for the SL version is crazy imo.
It has similar specs to the VRT but for over 1k more, I don't get it.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Dark17 on September 16, 2026, 04:05:02 AM
Yeah at those price point I would just get the VRT + a wheelset from XMCS or just wait some good deals from western brand frames.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: KuBiDrugar on September 16, 2026, 06:36:01 AM
The new Mentech Arch Sport would be the better alternative, I believe it's sub $1,000USD in China.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Serge_K on September 16, 2026, 07:40:52 AM
The pictures are either AI or 3d renders, almost certain.
Yoyolele frames for 3k will never not be funny.
That said, kudos for making an aero (looking) frame with 35C clearance. And they do sponsor some teams, so that's good for these teams too.
I like how Chinese sellers try random pricing schemes without any basis, just to see what works. The brownian motion of Chinese pricing strategy. It's funny.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: patliean1 on September 16, 2026, 08:53:45 AM
Influencer pricing at $2500. Offering a new frame $1000 more than what folks are used to is insane work.
And Yoeleo isn't great about fulfillment times either. Website says 4.5 months (February 1st 2027) but don't expect this in the hands of customers until early Summer 2027.

But man...the geometry in a size large is PERFECT for me. At least on paper. Longer wheelbase, front center, and effective top tube. And I wont need to run my usual 15mm of spacers. Or a BBC stem.

That 79mm BB drop though. You better be running 165 or 170mm crank arms with 32-35c tires  :-X
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Dark17 on September 16, 2026, 09:06:55 AM
My bike has 70mm bb drop and I run 165mm cranks and I still get pedal strikes lol. For sure this will not work when I race in my local circuit with 6 90 degree L curves and I've seen accidents there involving pedal strikes
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: voidptr on September 16, 2026, 09:15:19 AM
Thank god almost all of the new Chinese releases can be instantly crossed off the list just by looking at the STA.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: patliean1 on September 16, 2026, 09:17:59 AM
Quote from: Dark17 on September 16, 2026, 09:06:55 AM
My bike has 70mm bb drop and I run 165mm cranks and I still get pedal strikes lol. For sure this will not work when I race in my local circuit with 6 90 degree L curves and I've seen accidents there involving pedal strikes

Dang LoL

Pretty much makes this frame unusable for crits which is disappointing. Yoeleo is probably just retooling a TT frame for the road. But their T21 TT frame only had a drop of 65mm. That's the only explanation I can think of for the randomly extreme BB drop.

Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: toxin on September 16, 2026, 09:18:22 AM
Quote from: pavlo.k on September 16, 2026, 03:24:25 AM
looks like argon nitrogen
wow they really copied the geometry to +-1 mm
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Sander2177 on September 16, 2026, 09:40:01 AM
I would wait to see if they update the page.
It Could be a typo the 9 is next to the 0 on the keyboard so maybe its 70.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: hubba on September 16, 2026, 10:20:13 AM
Would be nice to try a 80mm bb drop frame on the road. I don't race and rarely have to pedal through tight corners. But rest of the geometry looks pretty bad who needs a 72.5 degree seat tube.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: carbonMad on September 16, 2026, 12:39:04 PM
Seeing everyone suddenly become bike geo experts (literally just looking at 1* STA differences) is a hilarious development in cycling ^^
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: verttl on September 16, 2026, 02:27:08 PM
Quote from: pavlo.k on September 16, 2026, 03:24:25 AM
looks like argon nitrogen
It's also very similar in terms of geometry. Nitrogen also has 79mm bb drop.

Argon18 has been a pioneer when it comes to low BBs. Even the Nitrogen from 10 years ago had a 75 mm drop, and it was the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden.

Since the new Nitrogen costs €13k with an Ultegra build, I've been looking for a more affordable alternative. It's a shame this one is priced out of reach as well. I wouldn't pay even half of that for a Chinese frame, no matter how reputable the manufacturer is. I guess it's better to just wait for something to come up on the used market.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Dark17 on September 16, 2026, 10:58:21 PM
Quote from: carbonMad on September 16, 2026, 12:39:04 PM
Seeing everyone suddenly become bike geo experts (literally just looking at 1* STA differences) is a hilarious development in cycling ^^

1 degree is a lot like 2mm saddle higher/lower could affect your comfort.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: hubba on September 16, 2026, 11:54:12 PM
1 degree of seat tube angle is not just millimeters. At my saddle height it's 1.4cm. And when you're already at the limit of the rails it means the frame doesn't work for my fit simple as that.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: KRoser on September 17, 2026, 12:36:17 AM
Can someone please share geo chart, tire clearance and expected price. I think it looks pretty good, but official yoleoo web keep redirecting to czech dealer site, super annoying.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: BeR on September 17, 2026, 12:44:02 AM
Quote from: KRoser on September 17, 2026, 12:36:17 AM
Can someone please share geo chart, tire clearance and expected price. I think it looks pretty good, but official yoleoo web keep redirecting to czech dealer site, super annoying.

Here you are (screenshots).
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: KRoser on September 17, 2026, 01:02:15 AM
BeR: Thanks, appretiate it. 72.5° STA in my size is a big no from me, bummer :).
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: Serge_K on September 17, 2026, 01:58:13 AM
Quote from: pavlo.k on September 16, 2026, 03:24:25 AM
looks like argon nitrogen

Quote from: toxin on September 16, 2026, 09:18:22 AM
wow they really copied the geometry to +-1 mm

Long Teng OEMs / has OEMed for Argon 18. It's a small brand that is / has been innovative. I suspect it's not too hard to copy their IP / get their CAD files if you're involved in the industry locally. Specialized, Pinarello, have IP lawyers (ineffective ones, it seems). I doubt a small Canadian brand that uses / used factories I can buy from myself has a legal team to go after IP theft in China, where the very concept of IP theft is quite new in the 1st place.

If i were Argon though, the fact that Yoyolele is now self identifying as a premium brand with Western aspirations would piss me off, because if you actually clear inventory at 3k a frame, your frame costs more than lots of legit Western frames. Yet your design was outright stolen.

Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: moodyedge on September 18, 2026, 02:35:01 PM
They released nothing for years and end up putting that out, basically following everybody else. They managed to make it dam ugly and too low at the front, like 99% of bikes from China.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: gbrnole on September 18, 2026, 03:38:06 PM
at the price they're asking might as well just get the Oak Marca. it at least has more modern geometry and a better looking cockpit and seat post interface.
Title: Re: Yoeleo ZEN RS
Post by: toxin on September 18, 2026, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: Serge_K on September 17, 2026, 01:58:13 AM
Long Teng OEMs / has OEMed for Argon 18. It's a small brand that is / has been innovative. I suspect it's not too hard to copy their IP / get their CAD files if you're involved in the industry locally. Specialized, Pinarello, have IP lawyers (ineffective ones, it seems). I doubt a small Canadian brand that uses / used factories I can buy from myself has a legal team to go after IP theft in China, where the very concept of IP theft is quite new in the 1st place.

If i were Argon though, the fact that Yoyolele is now self identifying as a premium brand with Western aspirations would piss me off, because if you actually clear inventory at 3k a frame, your frame costs more than lots of legit Western frames. Yet your design was outright stolen.

I mean, you don't need CAD files or even a 3D scan to make something that looks roughly similar. Working from pictures and a geo chart is enough. Taking heavy inspiration from something isn't theft. This isn't a Tantan Tarmac replica situation where they're trying to make an exact copy of the shape.

Also funny to see them talk about the UCI 3:1 rule in the product page. It has been gone from frames for near a decade and almost half that everywhere else.