• Very light weight. Other than the Evolve Cima and the SR ONE, in theory, it's the lightest on this list; and compared to others of similar weight, like the Elilee Blize, it uses a threaded bottom bracket. Compared to the TFSA, it is quoting a weight for an M, not an S-size frame.
• Parts availability. Uses a readily available headset, saddle clamp, and UDH on the rear.
• Race bike geo + 35mm+ tire clearance is a rare combo. Heck, if you are willing to have less than 6mm of clearance, a 38mm slick is likely safe to ride with this frame (~4mm of clearance). I understand that there are very few 36mm and 37mm tires available, but the actual clearance for this frame should be 36mm at 6mm and 37mm at 5.5mm, respectively.
• One advantage over something like the Avenger Shuttle is that the geometry is a bit more modern and allows the rider to sit further forward. Not as much as the Elilee Blize, but similar to most frames released in 2025
• Ride quality. I only have an initial impression on the Quick Pro, but my thought was like the other bikes that Flybike makes for brands, it's almost too stiff. The LTK doesn't feel noodly or overly stiff to me.
• Price: Starts at $610USD and should easily be sub $1K USD to your door. That's a good chunk of change to spend on groupsets, wheels, lighter cranks, etc.

• Aero? Have the designers of this bike heard of it? /s
• Bearings, headset cover, seatpost bolt cover all seem like typical OEM factory throw-ins and should be replaced as part of the build process
• The bike has a pretty long trail and is on the slacker side for a road bike, making it feel a little dull at lower speeds. The TFSA is on the other end and should make you feel like you are dancing on a razor's edge. However, I would rather have a frame that feels dull than one that feels sharp but is also let down by either being too noodly or too stiff. My very custom Ti road bike, while having a much longer reach, is similar to a size 54 TFSA and I love how it handles.
• Despite being released 3 months ago there are only a handful of folks here that have it and AFAIK no brands have picked it up. A lightweight bike isn't what they or the people here want. It just lacks that aero look that is popular right now.
• It lacks the aero credentials and development story of the Cima Evolve. The excitement around the Evolve is warranted. It's a decent price for what seems like a great bike that has been validated as fast. The geometry isn't for me, though.
• It lacks the race credentials of the AR One. That Quick Pro already has a rainbow jersey! Albeit it's a Jr race, you still can't say it's not "race proven," if that matters to you.

Hey guys me again. I have almost decided on my choice, and my favorite is LCR017-D. There are also the Long Teng LTK266-D-SL and TFSA JH-35 in my shortlist t, but both are more expensive ($1300-$1500 incl. shipping to EU) and, to be honest, I like them less, even though they have the geometry of the Tarmac SL8 and both weigh around 700g, probably about 100-150g less than the LCR017-D.

BUT I'm worried about the aggressive geometry. I'm sitting and comparing geometries on bikeinsights .com, and I see that all popular top frames have roughly the same geometry (SL8, SuperSix, Giant TCR, Look 795 etc.). Their Stack and Reach are +/- 1-2mm, but the LCR017-D has Stack -6mm and Reach +10mm relative to them. Is this fit too aggressive too low position? How does it feel to you guys?

Guys how exactly do you order the frame and how long does shipping take? If we're talking about the Permeants ST-09, it costs $1135 on Taobao and up to $1360 on AliExpress without shipping. As I understand, you buy the frame like LTK266-D-SL directly from Long Teng for much cheaper. What's the final price? And shipping?

If I got it right, you have to buy a compatible headset and better looking seatpost cover separately? And handlebar too. Are there any other differences from the Permeants?

3. Hey @contraptions, judging by your weighing photos, you received a completely UNPOLISHED frame and mentioned planning to apply Cerakote. If you don't mind, could you show how it turned out? Is it true that one layer of Cerakote only adds 10-15 grams, or did GPT deceive me again?