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Re: building wheel with straight pull hub: d411/412 spoke hole offset? The build went well! Only 0.5g over my target weight  8)  (see attached pic -- no rim tape/valves yet)

I would say the straightpull hubs were easier to build with than a regular hub, but it took me a while to figure out the key spokes visually. After that, pretty smooth!

            spoke calculation
         		            left
         		            right
         		            pillar 1423 psr aero
         		            354 g
         
            SPOKES front
         		            295.64 mm
         		            294.95 mm
         
         corrected for nipple, rounded up to even
         		            296 mm
         		            294 mm
         
            CN brass nipple
         		            12 mm
         		            12 mm
         		            25 g
         
            SPOKES rear
         		            297.06 mm
         		            294.36 mm
         
            corrected for nipple
         		            296 mm
         		            294 mm
         
            CN brass nipple
         		            12 mm
         		            12 mm
         		            25 g
         
            hub specs
         
            front
         		            D411SB
         
            flange diameter
         		            34
         		            34
         
            F.T.F / flange to flange
         		            63.6
         
            OFFSET
         		            3.2
         
            flange to center
         		            35
         		            28.6
         
            crosses
         		            2
         		            2
         
            spoke hole offset
         		            0.5
         		            0.5
         
            rear
         		            D412SB
         
            flange diameter
         		            34
         		            47
         
            F.T.F / flange to flange
         		            68
         
            OFFSET
         		            6.3
         
            flange to center
         		            40.3
         		            27.7
         
            crosses
         		            2
         		            2
         		            http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3163.0.html
         
            spoke hole offset
         		            1.25
         		            1.25
         
            rim specs
         
            Type
         		            Hookless
         
            ERD
         		            594mm
         
            Spoke Holes
         		            24H
         
            Outer Width
         		            28mm
         
            Inner width
         		            22.7mm
         
            Depth
         		            22mm
         
            Nipple Position
         		               External Nipples
         
            Weave
         		            UD
         
            Finish
         		            Matte
         
            Weight
         		            299±15g/pc
         		               actual rims within spec (298g, 297g)
         
            Max Weight Limit
         		            90kg
         
            Max Spoke Tension
         		            180KGf
         
            Max Tyre Pressure
         		            55psi
         


            price (incl shipping)
         
            CHF491.25
         		            1,377 g
         
            HUB REAR
         		            D412SB
         		            QR, shimano
         		            CHF90.00
         		            243 g
         		               https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32759849226.html
         
            HUB FRONT
         		            D411SB
         		            97 g
         
            RIM rear
         		            24
         		            CHF303.00
         		            298 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32826616369.html
         		            https://www.wtb.com/pages/tire-rim-fit-chart
         
            RIM front
         		            24
         		            297 g
         
            spokes
         		               pillar 1423 psr aero
         		            48.00
         		            25* 294mm, 25* 296mm; 14mm CN brass nipples (black)
         		            CHF30.00
         		            354 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32914510465.html?spm=2114.12010615.8148356.1.44a25a4fK9sJ1U
         
            nipples
         		            brass
         		            incl
         		            50 g
         
            valves
         		            have some
         		            18 g
         
            rim tape
         		            23mm
         		            CHF7.00
         		            20 g
         		            https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000793547334.html
         
            rotors
         		            velosa
         		            sram centerline-ish
         		            160mm
         		            CHF11.00
         		            240 g
         		            https://aliexpress.com/item/32833376738.html
         
            tax & customs
         		            CHF50.25
         
April 15, 2021, 05:43:49 AM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy Thread!
Quote from: cybrsrce on August 09, 2021, 07:42:33 PM
Just ordered one since I cracked the chainstay on my FM356.  I missed the group buy but I figured I would ask here since most of you here have probably already considered some of these -
What are you guys going to do for downtube protection?  That is a lot of real estate and I don't think one of the generic 1mm thick sticker types will do.  Maybe this RAAW one will work https://raawmtb.com/collections/accessories/products/downtube-guard.  If the HT one fits it could be double sided taped since this frame doesn't have the bosses to mount it.
I've been looking, are there any bash guards that work with just the front two ISCG05?  I mean, that is a really odd design decision, but whatever.
Has seat tube insertion depth be mentioned for the sizes?  I couldn't find it while searching.
Oh, out of curiosity is it actually 200mm rear rotor or 180mm?  The different Ali sellers can't seem to agree on specs for the same frame.

Downtube : probably getting protectors directly from santa cruz

Insertion: no idea yet waiting on the frame. Size small amd I have a PNW loam 170mm for it

Rear pm : 180mm for sure
August 10, 2021, 05:52:36 AM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread! I've gotten a tracking number from Eddie a few days ago. Frame is on its way to the US from Hong Kong
August 13, 2021, 01:01:54 PM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread! My Frame just came in too. Size Small
August 17, 2021, 01:41:06 PM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread! I have a L on order.  Eddy confirmed my address two days ago and said the frame was in painting process. 

August 19, 2021, 08:03:00 AM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread!
Quote from: cybrsrce on August 19, 2021, 04:37:21 PM
8x22mm front
8x30mm rear

According to the Tideace listings.

In reality its 8x30 Front and 8x22ish rear. Reversed from what is published on aliexpress
This means the bearing mount shocks that typically come with Santa Cruz bikes will not work as the rear shock mount is not wide enough.. I learned this the hardway....
August 19, 2021, 09:44:04 PM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread! Damn that's a huge bummer. I did the same thing. Bought a super deluxe that was taken off a new Bronson for this frame. But I also ordered a hightower lower link to see if it fits ( fortunately,  its returnable if it doesn't), so hopefully I can still fit this shock if it does
August 20, 2021, 09:54:18 AM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread! Stock rear axle - 172mm long, M12 (P1.5) 16L  - so no one else needs to zoom in.  Breaking down the numbers - 172mm from below the head to the end of the threads.  12mm diameter.  1.5 thread pitch.  16mm of the axle has threads.

A few options without a handle.  Not perfect matches but the overall length and thread pitch fit.  1mm short shouldn't be an issue.  If we get a picture of the stock axle threaded in it will show whether the 1mm difference will fall short.  Some stock axles protrude more so the 1mm might end up flush with the body. An alternative to slightly shorter is going slightly longer and using a small plastic or polymer washer under the bolt head to offset things slightly.

ZTTO - 171mm long and 19mm of the axle threaded.  $10.89 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001703950314.html black only.

Hardlite - 171mm long, 17mm threaded $35 https://hardlite-components.com/product/e-thru-12-x-142/ Range of colors available.

Carbon Fiber, no brand name, 168mm long $15.99 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001954598179.html

Maxle - 170.5mm long, Planet Cyclery - sold through Walmart $23.95 https://www.walmart.com/ip/Maxle-Stealth-Rear-Thru-Axle-12x142-170-5mm-Length-Giant/775556003

Wolf Tooth - 172mm out of stock until mid September. 178mm in stock.  $39.95 https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/hub-related/products/wolf-axle-for-12mm-rear-thru-axle?variant=13658986053667
August 21, 2021, 08:45:36 AM 		1
Re: The Shiny New AM831 Group Buy (A) Thread!
Quote from: deucelee on August 22, 2021, 08:03:46 AM
wow, thanks for that elgaucher...
things can ramp up quickly when you start to get good stuff on it.  damm...
makes me wonder if I should just get a INTENSE 951 from Costco and be done with it.  Lifetime warranty too. ugh.
If you're not the type to swap parts on your factory bike, you'd be much better off buying the Intense.
August 22, 2021, 09:06:47 AM 		1
Re: Carbonda fm936 Thoughts
Quote from: JaLove on August 14, 2021, 10:30:09 AM
Does anybody have pictured a full and level side view of a small FM936 completed build...
Here is one
August 24, 2021, 03:12:27 AM 		1