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Design flaw/quality issue IP-036 Hello

The last week I really started to put some km's on my newly built Ip-036 bought from Peter. After the last ride(some 30 km) I realized that there was a bit more play in the rear triangle/rear wheel and today I decided to take the linkage apart in the triangle and quickly found the culprit. On my bike all bushing bolts are 4 mm too short meaning that they only carry on one side of the "fork" they sit in. Also, the bushing bolts on my frame is quite a bit smaller than the female part, I have measured up to 0.14 mm free play..... I find that hilarious as on my rear triangle I now have 1 lower left "fork" that are partially destroyed on the inside. If there are owners out there that have a IP/CS 036 frame I would strongly suggest to check this if not done so already. I will contact Peter as I need new bushing bolts all over in the correct diameter/length as well as the lower part of the triangle. To be honest I'm not very impressed at the moment........

I had some other 8 mm bushing bolts that I could cut and fit in order to continue riding but not a very elegant fix.

Here is a picture of the bushing bolt 4 mm too short and putting all load on only 1 side of the "fork":





Here is a picture of the bushing bolt being 4 mm too short and its quite easy to see the wear marks only on the outside part:



Here is a couple of pictures of the lower left "fork" and its clear to see that the carbon is already stating to be ripped apart on the outside part of the "fork", as a matter of fact there were lying small pieces of carbon in there when I took it apart:





Here is a couple of pictures of my not so elegant fix but it clearly illustrate how the bushing bolt should have been seated in the first place:
April 29, 2016, 10:31:49 AM 		1
Changing the pivot bolts on the 036 Did someone changed the bolts of the pivots that came with their 036 frame?
If so do you have the references?

I checked my brother's bike today, as he had a very poor shifting with his Eagle drive train.
The surprising reason was the chain was cut just too small.
And when the derailleur was moving to the smaller sprocket, a piece of the derailleur itself was touching just a little the top pulley and prevented it shifting easily.
Now with two links more, the derailleur presents another angle when coming to the smaller sprocket and shifts perfect as expected.

But then I checked the pivot bolts, and they were almost all loose( bad me, I didn't check them after receiving the frame... )
Luckily none of them was lost.
I re-tightened them all, with some Loctite.
However the hex heads are really poor and I would like to change them.
December 27, 2016, 05:40:09 PM 		1
Re: Changing the pivot bolts on the 036 Dear both, after reading Karsten's post more carefully, I understand that the diameter of pivot bolts is the same as shock bolts - 8mm. right? In this case and if you are not against titanium modding the solution for our problems could be those Ti posts like I bought. Look at this post of mine: http://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,1075.15.html
As for the shock axle - my problem was they are not long enough. But pivots are shorter, and there are shorter bolts made by chinese. The available dimensions are 13,17,21,25,31,35 and 37 mm total length. The difference that aluminum pivot bolts delivered with frame accept M5 screws and those Ti posts  - M6.
January 09, 2017, 02:50:27 PM 		1
Re: Ican P8 full suspension build 29er
November 04, 2017, 10:44:00 AM 		1
Re: 14" 26er FM-M001 build Your kid is 4'8 so she will fit this frame w/o issue. My kid switched to a larger frame around 5'2 iirc. He went thru a couple NICA seasons with it. And as far as Trailcraft, you can easily beat them at the game with this frame. Here is my sons retired FM001 which weighed 22.5lbs with dropper.



When he outgrew that we went FS with a FM076.
August 01, 2018, 05:24:20 PM 		1
Ican P8 Season One Review Its been a full season of riding on my newly built P8. I've seen a lot of interest on this forum regarding Ican bikes, mainly the P8 and P9.  I figured I would outline my build and give my thoughts on this bike since the off season is beginning here.

Build break down:
-Ican P8, large
-Ican carbon 27.5 wheels, 34mm ID, DH layup
-Schwalbe 2.8 Nobby Nic up front and Rocket Ron out back
-Manitou Mattoc Comp, 140mm fork
-Manitou Mcleod 200x57 rear shock (ends up being approximately 135mm of travel)
-Shimano XT brakes
-Shimano XT derailleur
-Brand X Ascend 150mm dropper post
-Chromag saddle

I rode just over 600km this summer on everything from XC trails, bike parks, single tracks in the mountains and everything in between. The bike rode very well and aside from a couple big jump lines in the mountains, I feel like this bike handled everything I threw at it. 

As I'm sure everyone has already read on here, the bottom bracket on this bike is low.  With my current setup its 12.75" to the center of the BB un-sagged.  It took me 2-3 good rides before I was used to how low the BB was. Many pedal strikes later I finally got the hang of it and learned to time my pedaling.  Over extremely chunky climbs I also learned to ratchet up sections where i knew the pedals would hit. After this learning curve it was smooth sailing.  The bike rips and handles well in the turns.

This was my first time riding plus size tires. Although I enjoyed them and they had tons of grip, I think the P8 with a set of 29" wheels and 2.35" tires just might be the hot ticket.  With 140f/135r travel I never felt like this bike was limited.  It pedaled great on the xc trails and handled the mountains just as good.  There were a couple large jump lines we did at Kicking Horse Resort that I felt I could have used more travel, but I attribute that to my sloppy riding style and not the bike itself. 

All in all, I feel this frame is worth every penny.  For someone looking to get into a FS bike for the first time, or just looking to add a mid travel bike to there line up, this is a great option. 

Here are a few pictures from this season:





















 
October 14, 2018, 12:02:08 AM 		1
Re: Ican P8 Season One Review Great post. Thanks for sharing.

If you dont mind I'd like to share my experience with my P8.
I got my P8 last year March, and I've only recently got it dialled.. But almost a year down the line I am very glad I took the plunge(my first chiner frame)

I first rode the bike as a slightly more heavy duty 29'' XC bike with a 2012 Revelation fork set to 120, and a RP23 Rear shock(firm tune) and lightweight wheels.
The ride was quite harsh (previously rode an Alu bike) but probably also due to the firm rear. However the geometry was a lot more confidence inspiring and I quickly started dining up my rear rim. In the trail mode the bike was still plenty fast enough to ride up hills fast.


I currently have a Fox Float DPS EVOL (200x58mm), with low compression tune, which is mega plush and ground hugging. It matches my Formula 35 fork set to 140mm perfectly, as you'll go far to find a smoother and supple fork. I'm running 2.35's on 30mm ID rims and I'm now very happy. Not sure of the overall weight but probably around 13kg. Its my do it all bike at the moment although I dont do much long distance stuff currently.

With the 140mm fork the HA' sits bang on 67DEG
Seat angle is way slack, and I've had to slide my saddle forward all the way. Thats probably my only real issue with this bike. Climbing is only done in the middle setting on my rearshock) In full open the extra sag going up hill makes the bars even higher and the front hard to control going up steep pitches.
My Water bottle rivets has also came loose, and I'll eventually replace them. After a shuttle day at a local bike park where I cased many - many jumps and landed pretty harshly on a road gap (I did 7 runs) the rear got a creak which had me wondering, but I figured It was time for a grease since I've given the pivots no TLC since I built it, and Its now silent.

So all in all I couldn't be happier. I got a Light and capable frame with geometry that is up to date enough for me, and I paid less than what a new Fork would have cost me.
January 16, 2019, 08:29:04 AM 		1
I need FS029 Carbon frame pivot bearings Hello everyone, first post on the forums.  I recently had my main pivot bearing on the fs029 carbon frame come apart on me.  Im having trouble making out the item number and locating a place to buy. Thanks for any help linking me to a set of bearings or all the bearings on frame.

UPDATE in case anyone wants to know they are 6902-2RS Deep Groove Ball Bearing Double Sealed 1180902, 15mm x 28mm x 7mm Carbon Steel Bearings

and 6802RS Ball Bearing 15x24x5mm
November 18, 2020, 04:51:48 PM 		1
Re: XS Ican P1 Build A bit of feedback again.

I’ve fitter maxxis rekon+ 27.5x2.8 and a forekaster 27.5x2.8 on the bike and there’s still room to spare.

Those were just old plus tyres that I had laying around for the girl to test if she would prefer de damp feeling of plus tires.

Btw mesured the bb height on 27.5x2.4 : 315mm so really low

On 2.8 : 335mm , pretty much a safe bet

We’ll probably get a dhr/dhf in 2.8 now
June 28, 2021, 09:30:14 AM 		1
ICAN P1 Trail-27.5'' (Chinese Carbon) 2021 Frame Build! Hello!

I wanted to share my experience with building up an Ican P1 Frame with my fellow MTBs. For those who are thinking about buying an Ican P1 frame and want to know the ins and outs of the building process and road bumbs along the way. I've done a lot of reading on mtbr and Chinertown threads, and very few posts about the P1 frame. There's some posts about the P8 frame about 3-4 years ago (2017-2018). Ican from what I read changed the name of that frame from P8 to P1 probably around 2019 from a post that emu26 posted on Chinertown titled "P8 Geometry Change: Now known as P1."

This is my first build so I'm super excited to build it up! I ordered my frame in March 2021 and received it finally in June 2021. Been ordering parts along the way, and have everything together

This is what I have:
Frame- Ican P1 (2021)
Fork- DVO Diamond D1 (27.5)
Rear Shock- TBD
Drivetrain Shimano XT (2021):
Bottom Bracket- BBMT-8000 (68/73mm)
Chainring- XT 34T
Crankarms- XT M8120 (Boost 148mm rear spacing)- 170mm
Chain- XT M8100 w/ QL 12-speed
Cassette- XT M8100 10x51
Rear Derailleur- XT M8100 (1x12)
Shifter- M8100 Shifter I-spec (right rear)
Brakes (Front and Rear)- XT M8120 (4 piston brakes)
Rotor (Front and Rear)- XTM800- 180mm
Dropper Post- Crank Brothers Highline 7 (2020)
Dropper Remote- One Up (I-spec EV)
Wheelset- XT M8000 (27.5)
Tire (front)- Maxxis Minion DHR II (27.5 x 2.30)
Tire (rear)- Maxxis Aggressor (27.5 x 2.30)
Stem- E-Thirteen Base 35 stem (50mm)
Handlebar- E-Thirteen Plus Handlebar
Grips- Ergon Ge-1 (Blue)
Seat- Charge Spoon Seat
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$5,000- Total cost of all parts (including some bike building tools)






I bought 90% of parts brand new, the other parts I bought used from Pinkbike

Why I selected the Ican P1:
1) Great reviews about it on forums and Youtube (Brad of Crown Performance Bicycles does great video reviews on Youtube of the Ican P9)
2) The frame can be used a 29'er and 27.5 (I liked the versatility of that)
3) Reasonable priced- I paid about $900 out the door (after taxes and delivery)

I will let you all the challenges I've had as well along the way. Will keep posted with photos and commentary

Will continue to update my build! Stay tuned!

Cheers,
Crankydad
July 16, 2021, 02:45:00 PM 		1