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Re: TanTan TT-X38 Build I made some TanTan decals. An EPS-file ready for plotting is attached in case anyone wants to have them too.
January 18, 2024, 05:41:23 AM 		1
Re: Yishunbike R1058-D vs Velobuild VB-R-268 Yishunbike all day every day if your budget allows it.
Better quality all over. They are painted black and paint quality is good, so not delivered unpainted.
January 25, 2024, 05:15:44 AM 		1
Re: Yishunbike R1058-D vs Velobuild VB-R-268 Velobuild is a qc minefield
January 25, 2024, 05:16:43 AM 		1
Re: Lightcarbon: New LCR017-D (or Yishun R1058-D) Measurements are frame stack, not stem stack (some brands list one or the other without saying which and some list bofh). You'll need to factor in the headset cover and the cable guide that goes on top of that.

It is about 3cm in total. Can measure mine later on.
January 25, 2024, 09:13:31 AM 		1
Re: Yishunbike R1058-D vs Velobuild VB-R-268 Have not tried those frames Have the VB168 and a Yishun. My experience and research shows that Yishun offers better quality framesets. Yes VB is more responsive to questions, but there are less issues with Yishun. The finish tends to be much better than VB.
January 25, 2024, 09:41:39 AM 		1
Re: Yishunbike R1058-D vs Velobuild VB-R-268
Quote from: FlandersCyclist on January 25, 2024, 09:58:27 AM
Seems to be going towards the Yishun here.
Does anyone know if there is a discernable difference regarding the carbon layup/fiber quality/structural quality of the frame (so not the finish)?

If I may ask you...what is it you are really looking to know in regards to both of these frames?

We are all here to help. Questions like these make me believe there is some transparency missing or underlying motive.
January 25, 2024, 10:30:22 AM 		1
Patty's Long Rant and Guide To Affordable Frames I’m going to be honest here: I very much miss the glory days of this forum during the pandemic years. It was a perfect storm. People were stuck at home with extra discretionary income and free-time, while major bike brands were dealing with fulfillment delays. The rise of Chinese alternatives during this time brought so much excitement to this forum. Forum members were passionate about helping each other, and the overall vibe felt like a positive community of budget-minded enthusiasts. You could easily spend hours each day reading pages upon pages of new posts. The forum was basically a party everyday. I’m lucky to have joined during COVID.

Now I don’t proclaim to be perfect or infallible to constructive criticism. Quite frankly, the support of this forum is a large reason why my YouTube platform even exists. I cannot thank you all enough. Sadly, a lot of the super experienced members don’t come here as often anymore. Perhaps the negative vibes these past 12 months ran them away or just simply their needs changed. Who knows…

What I do know is I plan to keep supporting the forum as long as it makes sense. I’ve started to review more mainstream bikes, but my heart will always have a place for affordable Chinese frames/wheels. It’s how I got my start (Yoeleo R6).

I wanted to write up a quick guide for anyone looking to jump into the world of “cheap” Chinese bikes. While I made a video on this very topic over a year ago, a reminder never hurt anyone.
PLEASE feel free to add your insight and guidance below.

Step 1: Passion Project vs Functionality
As a cycling reviewer, I obviously don’t have any emotional attachments to my bikes. Except for my believed T1500. To me it’s about being functional and fast. If the “best” frame for (my) price range and riding style only offers matte black…I’ll take it every time. Custom paint means nothing to me if the frame is either a noodle or destroys my back. But I’m a performance-first person.

Step 2: Riding Style and Geometry
Can you slam your stem? Cool for you. Do you prefer an endurance style bike? Also very cool. Geometry is critical obviously. I cannot stress seeking a professional bike fit enough. Or just comparing your current bike to your target bikes using something like Geometry Geeks.

Step 3: Budget vs “True” Budget
If your budget is “only $600” for a frame, ask yourself if an extra $300 will be significant to you a year from now. How about an extra $500? How about two years from now? Buy nice or buy twice. Might be worth spending the extra money if you plan to keep your bike for longer than two years. But be warned: cheap bikes are addicting.

Step 4: What is your “pain” threshold for cheap bikes?
Cheap bikes are cheap bikes for a reason. Sort of. The value-add for these types of bikes is you are willing to put in the work yourself to troubleshoot, should bike build problems arise. If you do however find yourself frustrated, fear not! The forum is here to help. Typically the more you spend, the less potential for problems to arise. Or the brand will be faster to rectify. Unless you’re Yoeleo… :-X

Patty’s Brand Picks

$500 - VeloBuild - Custom paint, decent customer service, and solid provided hardware. Both the VB-177 and CX002 are very solid frames for the price. Won’t be the best performing frames ever, but they are “good enough.” You won’t get dropped from a race or fast group ride due to these frames.

$1000 or less - Yishun/Light Carbon - No question one of the best affordable brands/frames you can buy without spending money on a Winspace. Sadly…paint options and frame availability may be questionable since (Yishun) is setup for B2B. But the quality and performance is all there. Fit and finish is really good, except for the plastic headset dust cover on my particular application.

$1600 or less - Winspace - The T1500 has been talked about to death now for 4 years so there really isn’t anything left to cover. If you have the budget for it…buy it. Proven race bike. Fit and finish on par with the major brands.

Wheel Brand Recognition - Elite Wheels, Winspace, and Magene - All 3 brands are great at what they do.

The main thing these brands all have in common is they offer solid customer service. Each of them secretly lurk these forums, which means they are making an effort to listen to what customers want. Despite the fact Yoeleo makes solid bikes too, their customer service has been awful (again) based on customer feedback sent my way. Unfortunately my dealings with these brands for reviews does not translate to me being able to escalate customer complaints.

Always remember the forum is here to help. There are no stupid questions if you’ve taken a little bit of time to research previous threads and watch a few YouTube videos. The more honest and transparent we all are with our questions, the quicker and meaningful the responses will come. Spend the love!
January 25, 2024, 04:12:15 PM 		1
Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame I received the frame yesterday and it was shipped to Germany within 10 days. That was really fast. I did a first inspection and the quality seems to be very good. However, a final verdict is still pending as you can only really say something about the quality when you build the frame and ride it. This will happen in the next days and weeks.

I can confirm that the tire clearance is 32mm. Probably even wider tires will fit without problems.

I have a first small problem with the mounting of the rear thru axle. I had to re-cut the thread there. A small thing, but it has to be mentioned.

I'll get back to you as soon as I have more details and will send photos and weights.
January 27, 2024, 01:09:09 PM 		1
Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame Good afternoon:

I am new to the forum and on January 8th I ordered the frame in chameleon silver color size S. Yesterday it arrived correctly packaged.
What I didn't get in the package is the cycle computer holder and the extra rear hanger, but they have already told me by email that they will send it to me tomorrow.
I must say that the paint is spectacular, it only has a small bubble on the back that will not be difficult to fix by lightly polishing.
I also have to go over the steering bearing seats and bottom bracket seats with very fine sandpaper.

Waiting to start assembly, happy with the order.
January 31, 2024, 09:58:11 AM 		1