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Winspace SLC 2.0
Hi y'all, I recently bought a Winspace SLC 2.0 frameset and had quite the adventure building it up. I've always passively wanted one, specifically in the Kanazawa color, but for the price this lightly used Superlight Black frame was close enough. The steerer was cut too short and I hated the color, but whatever. I'll do something with it someday, maybe I'd lose some weight and magically become more flexible?  So it arrived and just sat for a while until I found a new, uncut SLC fork on Ebay. So with a new fork and way too much confidence, I started sanding and sketching out some fresh paint jobs!The paint process took way too long. I had this idea in my head of a purple/gold galaxy looking alcohol ink pattern on a black background, how hard can it be? It's biggest pain in the ass and took up way too much time, 10/10 do not recommend. I dig the result, though. The base color is candy black over raw carbon. Most of the black half has the coolest dark raw carbon effect that you can see in direct sunlight, but some sections got too much black. A two stage white pearl and logos in Ford champagne gold to finish. Overall, I'm happy with paint but it was much too ambitious and the end result is far from perfect. Many mistakes were made and there's a few issues that I just didn't have the patience to fix anymore. They're hard to spot, but I know they're there and they'll always bug me.  The actual build process was fairly quick and painless, even with fully internal routing. AXS builds are very straightforward and tbh I can't see myself using another groupset on my bikes right now. A lot of parts carried over from my 177. Frame: Size 490 Wheels Farsports Kaze 45mm Tires: Panaracer Agilest 28mm and Ridenow tubes Seatpost: Elita One 63D, but looking at maybe getting one of those VFV or Ryet posts with the hole in it. Saddle: Ryet 3D printed saddle Handlebar: Fire Spider FS160 Stem: S Works SL 100mm Bar tape: Silca Nastro. It's alright. Bottle cages: Supacaz Fly Ano. Very light and good looking, but don't feel very secure Groupset: SRAM AXS mix - Rival shifters, Force crankset, Force cassette 10-33, Red chain, Red FD, Force RD w/ JRC pulleys, CLX-R rotors Crankset: Force AXS GXP 167.5mm - Wheels BB, XCadey spider power meter, and Stone 48/33 chainrings. Rotor 48/35 Q rings are sitting in the closet, I'll be installing those soon. My verdict so far? This bike is sick. It's a classic aesthetic but make no mistake, this is a race bike. The ride is not very forgiving nor is the geometry. It's a super stiff frame and I can feel every imperfection in the road, on longer rides it kinda has me wishing for my 177. I see now what people mean when they say a bike "just wants to take off" or "holds its speed well". In reality, am I any faster or are either of those statements actually true? Strava and my legs both say I'm as slow as ever, but I sure feel fast af. Short frame walkaround: https://youtube.com/shorts/V-t9kH_zGyU Anyone else have an SLC 2.0 build to share?? September 26, 2023, 03:06:42 AM |
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Re: WheelTop EDS TX Full Wireless Groupset (Chinese SRAM)
Prepped last night for a longer ride today. Bike shifted fine. App stated 90% battery for both batteries. Today, started my ride and the front derailleur wouldn't shift, Rode the about 60 miles in the small chainring. When I got home, I removed the CR2032 button battery. Voltage measured .87 volts. Installed a new battery and all is well. I recommend replacing the "Lynkcell" brand CR2032 battery with high quality Batteries. Who would think that with only 500 miles on the EDSTX kit, the button battery would be bad.
May 27, 2024, 08:44:38 PM |
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Re: WheelTop EDS TX Full Wireless Groupset (Chinese SRAM)
Update: I had the brake lever pistons lock up twice on my long ride yesterday. (Brakes were working normally at the start of the ride.) The first time was about 4 miles after the start of the ride, after a short downhill where the brakes were lightly used to control my speed. I was in a pack and as we came up to a stop sign, I pulled on the brakes to slow with the pack, and both brakes levers were locked up. I veered out of the pack, while pulling harder on the levers, and I felt a slight "pop" and they were working again. sorry for this quote but: you deserve a darwin award.....i would not like to have you riding behind me on a steep descent with this kind of material! dont get me wrong, but it is one thing if you bump into a wall but getting bikemates in danger is not a polite thing to do... i would not touch the brakes, it is the sellers or manufacturers duty to take care of this kind of quality issues.... Stay alive mate! July 21, 2024, 11:29:36 AM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
The only one who wants to look clever and act as he possesses some secret insider knowledge is you. You just joined the forum and already can't even contribute. For your information forum is to share knowledge with other users to help. If u don't wanna share just stfu and stop bragging. As for tavelo this is an in house brand from Qi Xing sports and they also have other customers and companies who they provide with frames... And one of them is adapt. it's not secret knowledge, so stop acting like it is and you are an enlightened one August 02, 2024, 12:13:09 PM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
Cool, at least you can acknowledge that.Everything is explained in the screenshot below. Not any secret knowledge like James dean would like to maybe feel important or something kek August 04, 2024, 01:38:18 AM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
He's shared some stuff on his Patreon. It does not look good ... Do you reckon Peak Torque meant this from a Peak Torque level of scrutiny? Or even from a general consumer perspective? August 04, 2024, 03:49:43 PM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
What I've seen it's garbage from both. I'm not going to post his Patreon stuff here. So if people want to see it, pay for it. If you're considering this frame soon, I think it's worth it for you ... since I don't think his full review will be that soon. I'm sure I'll go back on my word in 2025. But I've probably reached the end of my Chinese bike review life cycle. My intentions were to use the Tavelo Arow as sort of my final dance. And maybe even replace my Giant Propel. Most likely I will consolidate my fleet and focus on just a few key frames from the major carriers. My mental will be better for it, and I'm certain the wife would be thrilled LoL Brands typically send their wheels out for free in exchange for reviews. The margins are low enough. Frames on other hand not so much. At least not for me because I'm a small time YouTuber compared to my more established brethren. About 90% of the frames on my channel I've had to pay for and it's getting expensive. Well, it's always been expensive. And I still have to source my own groupsets, power meters, and other components. So a $2000 Chinese frameset for the purpose of reviewing is a tough pill to swallow at my level. I'm sure I would feel much different if this was intended to be a long-term bike. The two American pro crit dudes racing on the Tavelo Arow have nothing but good things to say about the frame when I met them 2 weeks ago. But just like me, there's gonna be some bias of course. August 05, 2024, 09:40:39 AM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
FWIW Jesse Coyle from The Nero Show has a Tavelo and seems to quite like it. Peak Torque is a great channel but some of his ideas seem a little strange. He was really ragging on a Yoleo gravel frame he had because of toe overlap, I think that's not really such an issue for most people riding that style of frame as they are really doing 'road riding on dirt' rather than MTB-lite where toe overlap becomes an issue. He also seems really invested in promoting the Classified hub which is something that makes no sense to me (expensive, heavier than FD, locks you into one wheelset, relatively complex, potentially less efficient etc all to get away from something that is so simple, reliable and proven...seems like it would be a nightmare from an engineers perspective like his and another solution in search of a largely made up problem). August 06, 2024, 11:43:42 AM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
There really doesn't seem to be an engineer on youtube that is actually a carbon expert. I believe PT is a mech engineer (not sure of his specialty) and Hambini is a engineer that specializes in bearings and machining (?)...when these guys delve into giving opinions on carbon it seems like they are out of their depth and not much better than channels that do things like cut frames up and say stuff like 'ooh, this is glued up neatly, or this wrinkle looks ugly and maybe it's a bad part of the frame.' There's Luescher Teknik but he doesn't really make a lot of content or comment too much on OEM frame stuff. There's that Jordan Coleman channel and he has some carbon expert dude but that entire channel reeks of BS and shilling so bad I don't watch anything from it. August 07, 2024, 10:22:09 AM |
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Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
it would be very rare to find a single engineer who is smarter and has thought through a design more comprehensively than a room full of similarly qualified engineers, which SRAM definitely had working on Transmission.You don't have to be smarter than a design engineer to see flaws in their designs. For example I'm sure the engineers who designed hookless road wheels/tires are very smart, but the concept/product is obviously very flawed. That said, folks like PT/Hambini etc have cultivated a following by presenting themselves as the smartest guy in every room, and since we live in a time where people are eager to outsource their thoughts and opinions it's unsurprising that they are so popular and that the things PT/Hambini say go unchallenged. We live in complicated times and ideological strongmen create a false simplicity for personal gain. Again I watch and enjoy PT's content, but partially because he can be so over the top it gets to be ridiculous rather than inspiring or informative. August 07, 2024, 01:30:58 PM |
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