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Re: Tideace NEW Gravel Frame: GR201 Type:Gravel Frame
Frame Model: GV201
Fork Model: GV-FK201
Weave: UD
Thru axle Rear Spacing: 142*12mm
Material: Full Carbon
Max Tire Size: 700*50C/27.5er*2.1"
Frame Weight: 1150+/-40g(52cm)
Fork Weight: 470+/-15g
Headtube-Top: 1-1/2"
Headtube-Down: 1-1/2"
BB: T47(85.5mm)
Available sizes: 49/52/54/56/58cm
Finish: Clear coating/matte

Thanks for all interesting of our molds.

Attached more details for new mold Gravel Frame GV201.

Any other details or want to make the order.

Feel free to contact us.

eddy@haidelibicycle.com

March 27, 2024, 01:32:03 AM
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Re: Spcycle New Mold G068 Carbon Gravel Frame Its a Canyon Grail copy. The Grail's max tyre is 42mm (announced).
April 16, 2024, 04:11:58 AM
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Re: Spcycle New Mold G068 Carbon Gravel Frame
Why not make the tire clearance 50mm or more?  That is what a lot of people want.  Please!

The chainstay of G068 is a symmetrical design. Tires wider than 50C cannot be installed. We installed 50C tires on the sample frame. But the gap between the two sides is only 4mm. So we recommend that the maximum tire clearance is 47C.

April 17, 2024, 03:57:16 AM
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Re: Spcycle New Mold G068 Carbon Gravel Frame
Where did you end up sourcing the Token headset from? I've had a look online and they don't seem to be particularly easy to find. Is it the TK1556SP model?

Yup, got it from the Token US website: https://tokenproducts.us/collections/all-headsets/products/s-box-semi-integrated-cable-router-for-road-bikes-tk-1556sp

I've finally completed the build and taken the bike out for its first trip up a familiar local climb, and it performed great. The paint in direct sunlight is amazing. There's a few minor fit tweaks to do, and I need to put on a longer chain (this one is left over from my road bike with shorter chainstays), but overall, very nice and I'm happy to have gotten the fit right on the first try. There's absolutely no flex between the headtube and bottom bracket, which is noticeable out of the saddle and when sprinting, but it's not uncomfortable. It does feel a bit more squat than my road bike, but that's likely because of the 14 mm shorter reach and slightly lower BB height. The handling characteristics are much closer to my road bike than my gravel bike, which makes sense given that I sized this frame to be closer to the former. It's definitely not sluggish, if not as extremely precise as my road bike (one day I'll rebuild it into something... maybe make it as light as I can for fun).

I don't have any more major build notes; the only thing I forgot to mention is that the rear brake mount is 160 mm native, so there's no way to run a 140 mm rotor. I'm not interested in doing so, but something to think about if you like that size in the back. Also, with a +20 mm adapter in the rear and the fork in the 50 mm offset position, you could run a 180 mm rotor in the rear and a 140 in the front... wacky and dumb, but possible!

Unless something goes really wrong, this is my last update until I get my 650b rims in 3-4 weeks and get those wheels built up. Stuck with just road wheels for now, I'm gonna be doing all the longer road rides I haven't done in a while, so I won't be able to judge this frame as a proper gravel bike until then.



August 26, 2024, 07:09:35 PM
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Re: Tideace NEW Gravel Frame: GR201 Finished the build.  Or at least a preliminary stop gap until I decide how high I want the bars - they'll come down a bit, just not sure how much.  This bike is designed as a do all long haul road/gravel bike - definitely not getting this anywhere near as low as my S5 roadie.  I'm going to plan a day to move the bars down a bit to get to where I want and then do a final cut.  This came in at 9.05kg, which isn't bad considering that I'm using lower end components and wheels than Osh or Gloss.  Equipment:

GRX600 2x mechanical
4iii powermeter
HED Emporia GA rims
32mm GP5000s
FSA Adventure bars (heavy, but not a fan of lots of flare)
Redshift stem
Praxis T47 IB bottom bracket

With 43mm gravelkings it's more like 9.2kgs - damn tires are heavy.  There is tons of room in this frame for more.  2.1" should not be a problem if one can live with .25" of clearance to the frame.  Everything seems spot on except the brakes, which I'm having a bear of a time getting centered.  They just seem to barely rub - still mucking with them (Edit:  I think I got them worked).  Everything else went together well.  This is a semi internal routing setup, so I used all of the headset pieces sent with it.  Loads of fun wrangling with four wires through the frame, but it did go together and the pass through cap seems to work fine.  Powermeter has plenty of space - no worries there.  Not sure I like the bar tape, but it'll do for now.

Also, the downtube compartment and tool bag rock.  It's got a nice set of tools/supplies in it and it fits fine.  It also doubles as a big hold down for the cables going through, so no rattle evident at all.

September 02, 2024, 05:58:15 PM
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Re: Spcycle New Mold G068 Carbon Gravel Frame



My 650b rims came in about 10 days earlier than I was expecting, so I built them up over the weekend and took them on their first ride today. 34 miles with 3300 feet of climbing; pretty short in absolute terms, but it was a good split of surfaces, about 45% pavement, 35% smooth/slightly washboarded dirt, and 20% jeep doubletrack with lots of rocks. Not a ton of distance or vert, and it is only one ride, but my impressions of a bike rarely change after the first ride so I think I can provide some useful info.

Main thoughts:
  • With tires measuring almost exactly 50 mm, I have 4 mm clearance at the chainstays on each side. I expect the tires to stretch a little bit over time, so it's good to know that if they plump out another 2 mm I'll still have adequate clearance. I didn't bother measuring the front, there's easily >6 mm of room on either side, the fork could probably take a 2.1" tire if it's not too knobby.
  • The total diameter (including tires) of my 650b wheels is about 1 cm less than my 700c wheels; the ~5 mm difference in radius didn't really change handling but did lower the cranks by that much, which is important because I got two or three pedal strikes, even with a decent choice of line so as to avoid the larger rocks. I'll be getting crank boots since my crankarms are carbon. Not really an issue on terrain where you're not trying to navigate through a rock field, but that does make up some of the more fun routes around here so it applies to my use case.
  • Probably due to the far fatter and squarer tire profile, the handling at the front was more sedate than with the 700c wheels; it did take a bit of persuasion to rapidly change direction when I was crawling uphill. No real change with how the rear wheel tracked, though, which was nice. Overall the handling is quite stable but I wouldn't classify it as slack, certainly not on the level of a Stigmata or similarly headtube-angled frames. No problems staying upright the few times that the rear wheel broke traction, which fortunately never happened up front.

Side thoughts:
  • The downtube bottle cage mounts are a bit too far up to fit a 750 ml bottle. I used a bottle cage extender (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805494776538.html but the design is generic) to drop the cage about 2 cm down, which works well. I did drink all of that extra water so it's worth it.
  • I didn't get any chainslap on the way up even as I was bouncing around, but did get a fair amount on the rutted dirt descent, even in the big ring and lower gears in the back. I'll be putting on another layer or two of clear tape on top of the single layer that's already on the chainstay, just for a bit more cushioning.
  • Being able to run a dropper post may be the single biggest advantage this frame has over an actual Canyon Grail. The dropper is pretty much mandatory for the dirt descents I do and I also use it quite a bit to get aero on parts of descents faster than I can spin my 48/11 top gear (i.e. most of any descent). I have the clamping wedge torqued to 7 Nm and the seatpost hasn't slipped at all - I put a ring of silver Sharpie around the base to make sure - which is impressive, considering how fat I am.
  • The rear rim already got a few small nicks from rocks flipping up from under the tire, but I've found with my road rims that a tiny bit of clear nail polish hides such marks on glossy carbon very well.
  • The wheelbuilding process on these rims was quite nice. LightBicycle AM728 rims, i9 Torch rear hub + i9 Solix front hub (Torch hubs are effectively impossible to find now and purple ones simply no longer exist  :'( ), Sapim CX Ray/Sprint front/rear respectively. Was my first time building with alloy nipples, Sapim Double Square, and they performed no different than the brass ones I've used before. The internal square part is easy to fit an internal tool (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256802115683590.html) and rotate, which is nice because it allows a spoke holder to keep the bladed spoke aligned without a spoke key in the way.

I'm using the SRAM T47 BB and even though it's nominally for 85.5 shells, I can confirm it works perfectly fine in the 86.5 mm hubshell of this frame. With RED cranks, the fit is absolutely perfect with a 2.5mm driveside spacer and the preload adjuster turned all the way out. My subcompact chainrings sit a little closer to the frame than stock chainrings would, so with a 2 mm driveside spacer you could get some preload adjustment.

Slight amendment; this did work fine but when the chain was on the inner chainring it was like 0.3 mm from the frame, close enough that wax got onto the downtube. I ended up sanding about 0.7 mm off the inner face of the preload adjuster ring and swapped to a 3 mm spacer on the drive side. This bought me ~0.5 mm more clearance, which is good enough. This problem is likely unique to my setup - the Bikingreen chainrings sit further inboard than stock chainrings due to the weirdness needed to fit subcompact rings to a 110 BCD spider.

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Final thoughts, having put ~175 miles of road riding in on this frame with 700c wheels plus this one ride on 650b: this frame is really good at being a road bike, pretty good at being a rough-terrain gravel bike, but it's not a master at either discipline. Where it felt the best was the smoother dirt, and I think it would be absolutely outstanding when ridden on such roads with a set of 700 x ~45 mm tires. Still, it's plenty good enough at fulfilling the dual role I ask of it - a keeper for sure! 

September 16, 2024, 10:02:17 PM
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