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I think you are asking about single mold frame or a one piece mold rather than monocoque? Monocoque means that the load bearing structure is a "single shell" its the equivalent of a unibody in auto design. That doesn't mean its not made of joined parts. The notion of a "true monocoque frame" or "full monocoque" to mean a frame that comes out of single mold is only something I have heard with relation to bikes, but right now it's a production method does not yet tangible benefit to consumers. Maybe there is a future cost benefit as layups become automated or maybe it allows for the use of lower grade materials to make bikes that are closer in weight to top frames?

Theoretically the lack of joints should mean a lighter frame at the same strength with greater freedom of design when it comes to layup design. The reality is that the joints are often made stronger than the tubes to ensure there isnt a failure and the use of smaller molds or doing it in sections still allows for greater control of the local area. As far as I know, none of the high performance road bikes or MTBs raced at the World Tour or World Cup level use a single piece manufacturing method as the tradeoffs in terms of getting the right compaction, etc don't yet produce the lightest or stiffest frames.

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I'm just curious how small-time pro racers that travel handle cables or do they forgo the integrated cockpit all together?

Scicon bags are probably the most common bags seen at events. Also the bags Enve ships their custom bikes in. They don't require bar removal. Unfortunately as they have gotten more popular they have gone from recommended to not on Bikeflights because of broken handlebars. Evoc has a version that is semi-rigid that also doesn't force removal of the bars.

I personally just add extra padding to the bar tops and levers and foam pipe insulation  when packing mine. Adds a few extra minutes but works really well.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: June 14, 2024, 01:26:36 PM »
I don't think the Speeder is the same at the Hygge.

Back in the day there were only 2-3 carbon factories selling open molds. Flybike is one that still exists and seem to sell primarily through Carbonda. There was a factory called Gotobike which owns or owned the trademark for the Winspace name. Make what you will of that--but trying untangle who makes what frame and who designed what is, in my opinion not that useful. The relevant thing is whether or not you trust the brand to work with you and whether or not you think the combination of product quality and support will meet your needs.

What i do know is that I've been really happy with Speeder sourced parts and they sell a lot of parts, particularly forks. If I were to look for a partner to coordinate manufacturing and finalize design for a carbon bike part, Speeder would be part of the first outreach. However, they are primarily going to be more of a B2B type transaction while Tavelo appears to be investing quite a bit into the people and infrastructure to support consumers.

I have no idea if Speeder make their own bikes, their business arrangement with the factory or even if the frames and other parts come from the same factory. I THINK their new bike looks like an Adapt design and other than a bit more tire clearance and the bb86 spec looks pretty nice.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: June 13, 2024, 10:44:31 AM »
I personally really like the designs that Adapt churns out. Since Adapt doesnt do direct sales (though I thought someone here from Canada did a direct order in the past), Tavelo is actually the cheapest way to get your hands on an Adapt frame except for maybe the Speeder SC-R55D. I dont know pricing info for that but it looks a lot like the Adapt frame they teased on Facebook along side the Arow as new for 2024.

There was a rumor that Speeder was also the OEM behind Winspace frames--but i had thought that Speeder was more of development studio with fractional factory ownership. In any case, the Speeder forks have a very solid reputation now are are known for producing forks that relabeled for use by many brands either for sale through framebuilder supply or as the OEM fork option. There are $6000+ custom framesets using Speeder forks.

However, it wouldn't make sense that Speeder would be selling a frame designed by Adapt that competes with Tavelo if they were the "well known factory" and Tavelo was their in-house brand.

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I use the couplers from Zeno. I have a set on my two main bikes. It allows me to remove the bars completely to inspect the forks.

They are also the ones currently used by No 22. I dont think you are in the US, but we also have a distributor here now: https://www.ticycles.com/components/hydraulic-brake-line-coupler-2m7fy.

They are functionally the same as the hydraulic ball valve type couplers that used for motorcycles and other industrial applications. The pins are a bit finicky but they are the most compact ones available. I don't think this solves your ask though. If you have enough slack to pull these out of an integrated bar stem you have enough slack to just pull the bars off.

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I think most of the Chinese metal frame custom builders are Titanium not steel or aluminum.

For steel you could look at Marino in Peru and for aluminum (and steel) Borneotrack in Indonesia has some fancy stuff on Instagram though I have no idea what their pricelist looks like. Both use branded tubing from the likes of Reynolds and Dedaccai

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That engraved lucky cat is fantastic.

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Dub delrin spacers are good for this use. Fairly easy to cut and at ~29mm they are a pretty close fit in size. I recommend using just 1 if you can.

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bolded part is all industry marketing mumbo jumbo.  second part is true, but the main thing is about reducing deflection of the front wheel due to riding surface, wind, or manhandling the bike at high power out of the saddle and increasing stability at speed.  taller, heavier riders need this more, not less than smaller riders.

increasing reach (and thus FC) will only increase stability a bit - as it'll be a smaller amount and head angles would still be far too steep.

from a fit, bike handling and geometry perspective there is absolutely no reason for larger frames to have  steeper head angles.  whilst there's plenty for them to have slacker head angles.  the status quo is purely about package size.

also any further increases in reach are going to need increases in seat angle - they're already far too slack in larger sizes.

No, the bolded part is physics. Of course you can change other parts to the design to offset it (like lowering the rider). Fit and physics are often at odds in bike designs yet dependent on each other. Its a pretty hard thing to get right.

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How does this effect handling? Both head tube and seat tube angles still confuse me.

Slacker head tube angles typically make for a less responsive bike; but this isnt a good or bad thing since the question is whether or not the overall design is balanced in terms of feedback to actual turning action. One of the concrete benefits of the slacker HT angle is increased front-center and wheelbase for larger riders without increasing reach. Because of current forward trend in bike fitting this has meant that in turns there is too much front weight bias giving bikes a tendency step out.

My opinion would be that they should just increase reach by 2-3% across sizes and call it a day rather than slack out the HT angles, but that creates fit problems for many riders and then you are fighting decades of bike fitting "science" and aesthetic.

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Seems nice. Geometry and everything seems like a pretty conservative design, but thats not a bad thing. I do like the shape of the frame as it feels like a blend between the Tavelo Attack and Arow. I also think its an Adapt design. Maybe this one: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=841101518026184&set=a.227485472721128
 

Speeder seems to get pretty good reviews on here and the SC-ADV09 Bikepacking / Gravel fork is used by quite a few higher end builder as the lower cost fork option offered alongside Enve.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 14, 2024, 10:45:12 AM »
Maybe "binning" occurs where Western re-branders like PP, Planet X, Vitus, Ribble, Ritte, probably Enve, et al get the frames on the better side of the QC bell curve?

Sorry what? Panda Podium is just a retailer and the current Ritte and Enve are bike brands with unique products. I don't think anything is being binned differently between Tavelo products let alone between open molds and Ritte or Enve bikes.

Has anyone even confirmed that this Tavelo is an open mold that you can buy through a different brand like the Attack was?

While I could believe binning is done during initial production runs to get new bikes out for race teams, this doesnt make sense as a general practice because it assumes that the QC would be good enough to sort the frames at a per frame level and that the factories would be willing to incur that cost on an ongoing basis.

On the other hand, I think its more surprising that XDS and Pardus have not tried to go more international given their involvement in the chinese olympic team efforts. That said, if a company goes big into road racing, I would bet on Farsports.

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For racing with narrow bars on maintained gravel roads, something like a BMC Kaius is ideal IMO. I don't think there are any open molds with a comparable geometry.

If you do a lot of single track and fire roads with a lot of elevation the SC Stigmata is probably a great choice, assuming it fits you. That slack HTA works, but it can also be annoying unless you have wider bars. I think there are some new open molds that are more like this. I think the Carbonda 707 and the new elastomer suspension Light Carbon bike are more like this.

For an allrounder, I get while the Canyon Grail and Trek Checkpoint are popular options. I think a bike like the Carbonda 696 is also this kind of bike, though I have never owned one. I think most people are best off getting a bike that is this kind of geometry, sort of half way to a race bike but slightly relaxed and designed for a more upright position.

However, gravel bike geometry is pretty fraught with tradeoffs and compromises, so the question is really hard to generalize an answer for. Even if the frames can fit wider tires, unlike on the road, toe overlap can be a very consequential issue  when racing. With 165mm cranks, my max tire size is 700c x 42mm treaded tired with a FC <610mm. Realistically, I personally would be conservative and go with a 40mm tire to be safe. That means that for me, most racing or allrounder bikes are pretty much limited to relatively narrow tires unless they can take 650b / 27.5" tires at which point, I want something like a 2.1" tire so the handling doesn't feel too quick as a result of the overall tire / wheel being too small. Given that the 650b tire size is dying and the remaining 27.5" tires are XC tires that are quickly becoming only available in 2.2"-2.4" there are no allrounder options that meet my needs.

The ideal solution is to buy two bikes, which is what brands like Enve want me to do. One for racing on 40mm tires and the other an ultra / trail focused rig that clears 700x50mm. The other option, which i did, was to go custom geometry allowing me to just barely get what I want without having to make these specific compromises.

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I think the trend towards wider rims is great. I currently ride a 70mm deep / 35mm wide external. I honestly do not see the need for a different front and rear profile, unless the cost is not a big deal and you would need a different mold anyway. My only complaint about that wheelset is weight as that much carbon makes for a heavy rim, and I wasnt sure about the rims so i was unwilling to buy nicer hubs. They are shockingly stable in crosswinds and far as I can tell very fast.

The Roval Rapide has emerged as the benchmark design and for good reason. I personally, would not want a narrower front wheel as I think stability with a wider foil is very effective at helping keep the power down even in cross winds. If you have the ability to looking at managing steering moments via CFD as well as outright aero, I think that would really help.

To stand out, and maybe provide a minor aero advantage, I would use a paired spoke arrangement like Rolf Prima and Corima used to do, but with aero carbon spokes. I think the carbon spokes and potentially restricting the design deeper than 50mm or 60mm would result in a stiffer rim that may overcome some of the structural challenges with paired spokes. Maybe you could also build internal structures to help spread the loads effectively and manage overall material.

I really like the ideas that are coming out in terms of hubs. I would consider, but dont know the drawbacks of putting the nipples on the hub side for adjustment. I also like fully captured spokes that allow me to stop in the case of breaking 1-2 spokes. Serviceability and bearing life are really important to me. I need to be able to true the wheels and I would hope that the bearings would last at least 10,000 miles / 16,000 km of riding in all weather before needing replacement.

I also dislike wavy rims. Also please make them hooked with a tubeless retention shelf.

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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« on: May 06, 2024, 08:57:53 AM »
I am guessing that the domestic market price is probably realistic for making and selling higher end frames right now. I doubt anyone is making a ton of money here, but they are all taking their piece.

The result might be that high end catalog frames like these don't make a ton of sense, and these brands might as well raise the price a couple hundred USD and do the full development, like the Seka Spear RDC which isnt that much cheaper than the European price for the Van Rysel RCR Pro frameset.

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