Thanks it sounds like I need to do a lot of testing. I put a ec90 on my current TT bike but after about 2 hours I am getting some pain. I figured people might have been able to steer me in the right direction. Channel vs open front. I will review the shapes a bit more and collect a few over the next few weeks.

The ISM looks super chunky and if being honest not that comfortable but had decent reviews on tri-forums.

I've been tasked with investigating getting some tri-gear for our corp events. Has anyone on here had experience with getting custom branded cycling and running gear. It is all low run stuff as we have a small tri team.

There are heaps of sellers that will do custom branding clothing on Ali, but looking at wear life etc as it seems the clothing can be a little hit a miss.

Specifically looking at: swim trunks, tri-suits, nicks, bibs, jerseys, running shorts and shirts

Thanks for the input.

Elite confirm if I wanted and decals and the color as well, but I am waiting for mine to be custom made. I am happy with the look on the deep rims but asked for black so they don't pop out to much. Going for a semi-stealth look so when people pass me I don't stand out tooo much. 

There is a guy in Australia doing youtube reviews on their frames, just search him up. Has a carbon specialist look at them. Interesting the massive variance in quality between orders of the same frame. I considered them for my build but couldn't track down enough info on their TT frame went with sone one else. It seems a bit hit and miss from what I can tell (only based on searching and asking around) on if you get a good frame or not. No personal experience with the frames at all.

I messaged Kelly (Yuanan) about any potential up coming sales and she said they were not doing 11:11 deals.

Given the exact same spec set of wheels I am looking at were ~5% more expensive on elite wheels (branding is acceptable) and I just visited their website to be told their 11:11 sales start on the 31 st.

So it looks like a few more days wait before purchase is in order to potentially get a better deal.
 
Is it correct to assume they are the same wheels, given what everyone on here says (weights seem to match and they look the same in pictures). Even the elite website talks about their Yuanan origins.

Maybe the hubs are slightly different. Although elite wheels never answered my question on that (through their service email address) which is sad.

I guess I wait and see for price.

Anyone used the carbon chainrings that come with the lexon R1 "purple" version?
Wondering about how they handle, flex, durability etc. I much prefer the carbon weave look over the non-purple version.

Thanks all,

Some other useful frames to compare. Lucky I have time to work through the pros and cons of them all. Sorry for all the questions, my bike knowledge is a little out of date.

I notice the BB of all the other frames are BB386 or BB86 both of which are press fit (is it considered old tech now?). Given this is my first bike build since the 90's (yes I am an old fecker), I was steering towards a frame with the T47 BB.

People talk about frame creaking (misaligned) with the BB386 / BB86 and also that if pressed incorrectly can damage the carbon, crack the frame etc..
But on the other hand the T47 isn't without it problems with alignment being one of the biggest issues and causing drag on the crank bearings. The other being ali bonding to the carbon is difficult. Given this is a high load area that is a little concerning.

Anyone have some real life experience with the different frame tolerances in that area between press fit and screw fit?
BB creak on the frames and tight crank normally requiring a little more effort (a slight love tap with a hammer) to get in place.

Thank you all once again for your knowledge.

Hi All,

I currently run a fuji 2009 original spec in almost new condition, she is the fasted bike I have ever own for a little over 10 years. But I suspect I suffer a lot of lost watts from rolling resistance / crank bearings and not fully tuned setup.
 
After lots of reading across the web and here in particular is think I have narrowed down to a single Chinese manufacture. Frames I have looked at in no particular order. There were a few other brands but I dismissed them quickly for various reasons:
Trifox - No TT frames
Airwolf - No TT frames
Yoeleo - No TT frames
lightcarbon- No Disc brake versions
Twitter - No TT frames
ICAN - No TT frames
Falco - Can't find a website and alix is all old resellers (I read somewhere the molds have been purchased but no real details)
TanTan - No TT frames
Winspace - No TT frames although the T1550 is close (seat tube angle might be too great)
Winow Sports - TT119 but not sold on the look.
Seraph - TT912 has press in BB. Feels a bit old looks like the TT119
Elves - No reviews on their V frame, only one I could find said it "could" be sloppy and has a max weight limit of 100kg. I am a heavier rider but no there yet. Also looks like very mixed quality from their frames still.
VeloBuild - VB-TT-023 I saw a recent build on here and was also leaning towards this based on their frame reviews before looking at the build-up

The bike is primarily for Full Ironman events. One event per year plus the 1000's of km of training rides (Once a week averaging 100 - 150 kms), the rest is done on a indoor trainer bike.

The planned build will be if I can settle on a frame:
Tektro HD-T910 brakes
Sram force ASX running gear (24 speed) with wireless blips (3d printed mounts for the blips)
EliteWheels Full disc rear, 80s spoked on the front (considered the 3 spoke carbon as well). With maybe an 80 spoked spare rear, for race day if cross winds are too much.
EC90 seat

Now for the questions:
Have I missed any frames that people would recommend? Given Elves was top of my budget for a frame, any higher and I will pickup a western brand (I know) from a local store. But the price point is just too much.
For the people who have built the VB-TT-023 or any other disc brake based TT bike how is the ride after months. Is there anything I should look out for?
With the Alix double 11 sales coming up is it better to get from the website and try to ask for a price match or to get it from the "alix offical store"?

The VB frames in general have mixed reviews but seem to have more +ve reviews than most others who do TT bikes, hence why I am leaning towards them.
This is not going to be a cheap build in local currency but I should have a very competitive bike (maybe no the rider) once all is done and hopefully I get another good 10 years out of the bike.

Thanks for all your input.