Quote from: toxin on October 26, 2026, 03:47:35 PMThe theory here could be similar as deep rim vs disc on the rear where putting a disc on the rear increases the total side force on the bike, but it also moves the center of pressure rearward behind the steering axis, reducing wind-induced steering moments and improving steering stability.

This could be taken a step further with the Factor One in particular, where the forward offset fork places virtually all of the fork's side area far in front of the steering axis. This could mean the local center of pressure on the fork is moved further forward from the steering axis, giving the same wind-induced side force greater leverage and producing greater steering moments.

This is why my fork has that slightly SL8-esque curve in the leading edge of the upper part of the fork. It's an attempt to move some side area away from the front.

Yes, to me this sounds logical. I do wonder if the Stromm Raktt is more balanced than the Factor One when it comes to crosswinds. Yes, there is a deep fork and a not so deep downtube, but compared to the Factor One the fork clearly less far ahead of the steering axis. + the really deep upper part of the seattube might balance things out, more total side force, but more rearward center of pressure.

Quote from: halflight on October 26, 2026, 09:03:52 AMIt's interesting how the Baldiso Zenith, which looks fairly normal aside from certain wonky areas, tested fastest in the tunnel when, from the front profile it looks much wider than the Stromm Raktt (formerly the fastest aero road bike). Weird how aerodynamics works I guess. Wonder if super deep fork and seat tube is unnecessary for good aero performance too, given how well the Zenith performed.

I do think that there is a point of diminishing returns. Also, if only the fork is super deep and the rest of the bike has rather narrow tubes (from a lateral view) I do wonder if it makes the front wheel/fork more vulnerable to crosswinds.
In the rear you have more weight to stabilize the bike more in the wind + if only the fork is really deep crosswinds have also more area to push the bike around at the front vs the whole bike.

But I guess that might also be the effect of getting fork rake/trail wrong (see Factor One and what I've heared also the Winspace M6).

Quote from: toxin on October 26, 2026, 12:08:20 PMThe Zenith's big advantage is that it's basically the only bike Tour ever tested that fully committed to the round bottle. The lower half of the down tube is wide and shaped to direct air around a bottle (and the included very integrated bottle cage that it was also tested with). The bottle mounting section is also recessed to bring the bottle closer to the tube https://www.instagram.com/p/DVso5W7jBjL/. Almost every other bike ever made either ignores the aerodynamic contribution (detriment) of a round bottle, or acknowledges its existence but only half does something about it. In the past I would've been completely for doing it this way, but with the recent proliferation of aero bottles, it's become a slightly harder decision.

Another small thing is that it was tested with padding on the drops of the handlebars. This improves comfort while riding in the drops, but with the right shape, it can also improve aero performance, at least in the tunnel.

I think the Morpheus reppit shares a similar philosophy when it comes to the downtube being shaped around round bottles.

Something else, does anyone know what is going on with Elilee in general?
Their website is down and their IG account/site also got deleted.

Apparently there is some adjustability with the ISP:
"The integrated seat post is handled through a dual system: the primary post has no height adjustment, but if it gets cut too short, a second adjustable post can be inserted to recover stack height. That solves the usual resale and fit concern around integrated posts without adding meaningful weight."
Source (there is also a video of him visiting the bikeshow): https://www.cyclistshub.com/elilee-at-shanghai-bike-show-2026/

So if there is some room to adjust seatpost height, let's say maybe like Giant's ISP clamp, then it's not that much of a dealbreaker. I do think it's the one thing holding something like the Incolor SSR back.

Back to the Elilee Suanni, I hope the geometry is similar to the Elilee Blize, high stack and a 74° seat angle with minimal (5mm) seatpost offset. A bit more BB drop and a slightly slacker headtube angle would be nice IMO. I don't really like 73.5% degree headtube angles on long descents when it's a bit windy, if you wheel tire system isn't perfectly dialed in the front wheel can be a bit too twitchy for my liking.

Quote from: patliean1 on October 09, 2026, 07:51:06 AM
With tooling be expensive like Sakizashi said, we'd probably have a better chance of just waiting for a brand like Adapt or its parent company to eventually produce a product similar to our design. And then simply share in licensing the design.

Something like what the Tavelo Arow and Oak Oak Twilight did. But again those frames are relatively pricey. Which brings us back to square one.

Sharing the bike design with an OEM and not keeping the exclusive design is a lot cheaper. Otverwise you start at around 50k costs (happened to that Swiss guy with his Ikarus Faster bike, but he even let them doing the CAD stuff)

If it would not be UCI legal I'd have an idea.
Overall bike look similar to the Lotus Type 136 E-bike, but with a horizontal TT and probably a regular cockpit.



The non-UCI legal part would be going full crazy with wide seatstays and a super wide fork, like the Hope HB.T


If you go that route you don't even need a super chunky downtube (see the Stromm Raktt that also doesn't have one).
Otherwise I'd go for most of the things that Paty mentioned, I think with the larger tires and shorter cranks trend you can go to an 80mm BB drop for the larger sizes no problem (the Simplon Pride 2 has a 75mm BB drop in those sizes while being built around 172.5 or even longer cranks and 25mm tires, so 80mm might actually be a conservative estimate, but reasonable for anyone on 28mm tires and 170mm cranks).

Quote from: Uberflo on October 08, 2026, 02:31:14 AM
Thank you. I just found this: https://flowonesrl.com/products/vook-v9-telaio?variant=55028875100502
Can you add other Italian dealers who are offering the Vook frameset as well as the Pardus Spark EVO Gen4? This is also on my list.

For the Vook V9 thebone you mentioned and this one.
https://www.finabike.it/it/vook-telaio-v96

For Pardus
https://planbike.it/products/pardus-spk-g4-evo-kit-telaio-e-manubrio?variant=62662575227210&country=IT&currency=EUR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AU7gw4XvT1AkaTmeYT3WrF0wxoXIPrpyjWEUAa4GbuR4MD3ogd-JMsvLFwg&gclid=CjwKCAjw_pzWBhAkEiwAwDCi1f7Cd2XrpBOmf40c39gOe5Cv420RR5aV81pi-ndAMe2Ig_b8SbslZxoC1NQQAvD_BwE
https://www.sporteservice.it/product/telaio-pardus-spkg4-evo-frameset/

Quote from: Uberflo on October 08, 2026, 12:18:32 AM
I am resurrecting this topic. Does anyone know where how to get the V9 frameset to Europe?
I only found an Italian dealer but do not know if it is legit.

There are mulziple Italian dealers and the bike was presented at an Italian bikeshow, just like the Pardus line-up. So it should be legit.

Speaking of midfoot cleat adapers, IMO they are a whole different can of worms compared to the progressive fit.

Sure, they help to open up your hips, but as someone who already has very little ankle movement in his pedal stroke they were not needed. On the flat you spin a lot more and loose your explosive acceleration, but it becomes a problem on the climbs, when you try to ride seated in zone 2 on steeper climbs, with longer sections that are +10% steep. I lacked torque and would have needed an extra, lighter gear in addition. On the flipside climbing out of the saddle has never felt more natural, you're standing on the pedals in a more balanced way and are able to bring the power down more effective.
The funny thing is, if you use a midfoot cleat adapter to have a position that opens your hip angle more, you might actually want longer cranks to have move torque.

Quote from: patliean1 on September 05, 2026, 06:28:13 AM
The overall wheelbases on both my Winspace T1600 Ultra and ER One are pretty short for my saddle-forward setup.

If I lived somewhere with a lot of sustained mountain descents I definitely would consider using a frame with a longer wheelbase that still allows me to get fairly low on the front end as my primary bike.

The current Polygon Helios-A, and even a sized up Canyon Aeroad come to mind. Shame the Factor One is both ugly and expensive.

The Stromm might suit you.
I think it is funny that my 2017 rim brake Rose Pro CGF 2017 would actually be kinda good for that with a zero offset seatpost, saddle slammed forward and a REALLY long stem.
https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/rose-pro-cgf-2017/

I am 183cm tall with an 88cm inseam, but my arms are average length and more important, my forarms are almost as long as my upper arms, so higher stack and more reach actually makes sense for me.

Quote from: crwlv888 on June 01, 2026, 01:58:46 AM
Just picked up two Onirii RH ONE integrated handlebars (110mm and 120mm) from TAOBAO. They include standard round headset covers for both internal and external routing, though you can custom-order 3D-printed ones for specific bike models.

The Good: Lightweight, comes with gold Ti bolts, and features a huge rise. It's a lifesaver if your frame is sized down and you need more stack height.

The Bad: There is some noticeable flex, particularly in the drops. Heavy, high-power riders might find it lacks stiffness.

Verdict: That same flex combined with the rise makes for an incredibly comfortable and forgiving ride.

Put them on a Bianchi Aquila RC tt frame and it's pure bikeporn.

Quote from: bigApple on July 13, 2026, 09:31:39 AM
If this is real, i am really pissed. But i actually can not imagine they improved the bb stiffness that much.

Also, who needs that much BB stiffness?
I'm pretty sure that would be well above the point of diminishing returns.

Quote from: Livingmannequin on July 09, 2026, 02:00:19 PM
Price seems pretty steep for a frame that costs ~600€ on Tao, would understand if anyone pays it tho as it's a georgous frame

The price is in singapor dollars, not usd.

Quote from: Williamprvz on July 09, 2026, 01:32:41 AM
How could one proceed with importing a Vook V8 to Europe? The price is much cheaper than elsewhere.

The fellas from revbikecollective are selling it on carousell and they are willing to ship stuff to Europe.
https://www.carousell.sg/p/2025-vook-v8-new-decal-%E2%80%A2rose-carbon-frameset-%E2%80%A2690g-super-light-bicycle-1366655529/

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