Awesome bike, but still, not that high stack.
Oak Marca: R390 - S570 (Medium)
Yoeleo Zen RS: R391 - S556 (Medium)

More than my Canyon Ultimate S: R390 - S542, but I would prefer 570

Resurrecting the thread to ask if there are alternatives with such great Reach to Stack ratio, with (looking) being aero.
Something available in short time (~a month is OK)

In Pandapodium it's $1899 + $200-250 for the cockpit

Any photos to see the wear?

Photos: https://tavelo.cc/products/tavelo-arden-race-frameset?VariantsId=11802
Geometry and specs: Apparently they don't think they are very important

Makes me wonder if the Chinese prices are low enough.
Crappy sites and information. Many times need to talk directly with people. Questionable service and huge delays to get the product (or the replacement). Obviously no physical shops to go and check/test the items you will buy and later complain if needed

Anyway....going back to make excuses that I need the XMCS VRT and a new set of chinese wheelset

What about an aero Gravel bike (eg. XMCS GRT, Tavelo Grow, Lightcarbon LCR72) with a set of wheels for 35mm tires and an optional one for "max clearance width" tires for off-road days.

Are there any aero tests between (aero) road bikes vs aero gravel bikes:
- with rider
- with road wheels/tires

If the difference is 2-3 watts, who cares?

I wouldn't mind having an all in one bike for:
- Racing: Higher stack, can hold aero position for longer + wider tires, won't worry for the crappy roads
- Brevets: Higher stack, shorter reach, like riding on a sofa
- Potential off-road fun to explore all the gravel roads in my area

...although I don't think 1x is convenient for both MAAAX speed (like 10% downhill ) plus 10% uphill for my weight, plus having enough gears in between to have always the optimal one

  Not massive legs or MASSIVE back, but generally more muscular-wide than a skinny climber.
Here, I am around 85 kg

and here I think even more


Definitely like the aesthetics.
Now I have 30mm front (measuring ~32) and 32 back (measuring ~34mm) and there is still some space left.

Had a similar thread about wheelsets some time ago.

I still have too much free time, so I keep roaming websites like this and get jealous of all the new stuff.

• I have already upgraded it through the years with
  
  • Elite Wheels Drive 1
  • Sram Force E1 shifters/FD/Cassette
  • Sram Force D1 RD
  • Incolor crankarms + PQ Chainrings

• Probably a purchase of a "climbing" bike was a mistake since the beginning, as I am muscular guy (min. 77kg, usually 83, have reached also ~88 after few months of full body gym sessions. Now trying to go back to 83 and less, by focusing only on legs. Height: 177cm
• Also aero bikes weights are now close to the "old" climbing bikes
• There is some brake rub, but not always when I expect it. eg. when climbing out of the saddle, but not when I was doing sprints yesterday ~around 1200-1300Watts. Maybe it was there but didn't hear it because of the adrenaline/air noise?
  
  • Not sure if all bikes do that. My previous bike was with rim brakes.
  • or Canyon Ultimate's (SL) fork is not that stiff

So after these thoughts and excuses...what will I get after buying a XMCS VRT, QuickPro ER: One, Tavelo Arow (or similar)?

• (Most probably I will just move the current gear to the new frame. Maybe change the wheels with Zen or XMCS)
• Will my life change?
• Will I be a better father?
• Will I get KOMs easier?
• Do the above selections have stiffer forks/front end?
• ...or I will just have spent ~2000 extra euros for the looks? (
• Any other suggestion for an aero frame <1000gr (Medium - 52)
• The geometry of the XMCS VRT is "identical" to my bike. Does it mean that it doesn't have progressive geo or that my Canyon had already a somewhat progressive one?
  
My current toy:

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Quote from: Requiem84 on July 09, 2026, 12:37:53 AM
XMCS for now. We are talking about something similar to Aerys, but IF we find something suitable that is not trademarked, it will take at least 6-9 months to be able to use it. You log the trademark application in EUIPO, and then have to wait a fixed period for others to object to your application. Possibly because they feel there is too much similarity etc. it's pretty damn complicated.

Name it "Aeras" (wind in Greek)
Although even simple words might be trademarked (see Apple)

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the reason of the riser bars appearance in the market, because of the Low Stack of the Chinese frames? If so, is there any point to have a riser bar on a bike with "normal stack"?
Maybe to have the handlebar slammed?

QuoteSystem weight limit: 115kg (VRT)

Is this true?
https://xmcarbonspeed.cc/products/xmcs-vrt-vortex-aero-road-racing-frameset

Quote from: Tines on July 02, 2026, 12:10:55 AM
These?
https://www.xmcarbonspeed.cc/products/xmcs-26mm-iw-58mm-depth-t1100-carbon-700c-road-gravel-bike-wheelsets-with-20-20h-straight-through-version-hubs-and-carbon-spokes

@PeterXu please adapt the logos to each rim depth. Here, in my opinion of course, it should start from the inner side of the rim (no gap) and be larger
eg. an example of "same logo size for every rim depth is wrong" is the following

I want one as well, but I am leaning towards a custom solution.
Something between this, this and this
Will

   
• not reach the floor or the ceiling
• have 2x spaces for bike and e-scooter (ideally with cable routing for the e-scooter charger + favero assioma charger)
• have space for helmet + 2-3 things that I always get with me in rides (mini pump, etc)

I'll post drawings, materials, cost when I find the time to do it

So....when can we order (and receive) the M size?
Directly from Peter or also from xcms.nl? Same availability /price/taxes/shipping to Europe?
Can we choose both the...traditional handlebar and the riser one? Personally if there is no low stack issue, I wouldn't bother with the riser.

Oops I missed the latest posts. Thanks again for the extra opinions/suggestions.
I pushed the fork and indeed the brake pads touch the disc, so it's a "frameset" issue.

Now I am waiting for the aero results of the new XMCS VRT (they say, it should be similar to QuickPro ER:One)
,but also wondering if I should just get the Lightcarbon LCR020 (whenever it will be available) for more than half the price.

The frame will be accompanied with a new 50+mil deep wheelset from either DFS,Zen,Peter